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[Apêx1]

The manga disgarees, and my explanation of why Kakashi got a better boost makes more sense to me so we can just agree to disagree.

No, I didn't shit on your argument because I thought what the manga said was pretty clear. You can deny it all you want, Naruto's chakra is ONLY potent because of the Kyuubi. When Kakashi referred to the boost e received, he always referred to it as the KYUUBI's chakra. Getting it from the Kyuubi or from Naruto will make little to no difference, yet he said it was much stronger. Agreeing to disagree on this is like someone saying lets agree to disagree on Konohamaru being weaker then Kaguya, this is a manga fact.

Learn to take a joke clearly i wasnt trying to harass you

Also quantity and potency aren't the same thing. one tab of potent acid or a g of potent bud can be like 3 tabs or 3 gs.

I'm guessing you're joking again in the second paragraph.

 

[Curse Mark]

No, I didn't shit on your argument because I thought what the manga said was pretty clear. You can deny it all you want, Naruto's chakra is ONLY potent because of the Kyuubi. When Kakashi referred to the boost e received, he always referred to it as the KYUUBI's chakra. Getting it from the Kyuubi or from Naruto will make little to no difference, yet he said it was much stronger. Agreeing to disagree on this is like someone saying lets agree to disagree on Konohamaru being weaker then Kaguya, this is a manga fact.



I'm guessing you're joking again in the second paragraph.

Second paragraph was serious. Especially the analogy.

 

[Apêx1]

Second paragraph was serious. Especially the analogy.

Too bad the Kyuubi's chakra becomes stronger in larger quantities. Too bad more Rikudo chakra=more power. Too bad going from v1 to v2 means more power, even though by your logic this would all mean more chakra, which in turn would do nothing but increase chakra reserves. When Madara split his chakra via Bunshin's, his Susano's became weak enough to not even inflict damage upon Mei with a direct sword hit. 4 swords couldn't go through Gaara's auto-defence when a Yasaka Magatama had just gone through his actual 'mother' shield of sand. Yea, your analogy holds, much strong.

 

[LuckyMan]

No, I didn't shit on your argument because I thought what the manga said was pretty clear. You can deny it all you want, Naruto's chakra is ONLY potent because of the Kyuubi. When Kakashi referred to the boost e received, he always referred to it as the KYUUBI's chakra. Getting it from the Kyuubi or from Naruto will make little to no difference, yet he said it was much stronger. Agreeing to disagree on this is like someone saying lets agree to disagree on Konohamaru being weaker then Kaguya, this is a manga fact.

Alright it seems you didn't comprehend my post so I'll break it down for you.

I said the reason Kakashi's boost was probably stronger is because he received the chakra from Naruto, not Kurama. Naruto is skilled at such a level that he can transform Kurama's chakra he gives out to fit the persons build/traits.

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. Naruto is THE ONLY ONE who can make a perfect link to Kuramas chakra. Look at the picture, see his chakra build perfectly links to Kuramas? Kurama stated why that is such. Keep reading, and see that Kurama says Naruto has become so adept at it that he can mold/transform the chakra to match everyone's unique build. Now look back at the picture, notice the chakra Naruto is giving out perfectly links with each shinobi's build. Kurama then states ''This means that now I can transfer my chakra to anyone using Naruto as a vessel". Kurama was simply handing chakra out. Naruto was handing out that same chakra, but manipulating it to fit everyone's unique build perfectly, an ability Kurama doesn't have, otherwise he wouldn't have just said now he can do it through Naruto, if he did it with Kakashi earlier. Simply put, he gave Kakashi chakra, but didn't manipulate it to match his build perfectly.

You can't bring out the full power of chakra transferred to you unless the chakra is manipulated to fit your build.

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So that is a reason Kakashi's power was stronger than before but even if none of this was ever explained. Kakashi's cloak being stronger doesn't invalidate what Obito said about the amount of chakra is no less potent, especially when Ridoku chakra and Hashirama chakra supports my case 100%.

 

[Eng nawashi]

it has been long time since i last posted here .not sure if this applies to susano but i am 100% sure that having more chakra doesnt make your jutsu stronger ,for example base naruto rasengan is as strong as kakashi’s despite naruto having more chakra simply because the regular size rasengan needs a certian amount of chakra is,no matter how huge your chakra ,if we have the same quality of chakra ,our rasengans would be as strong .that should applies to most of NV jutsus as the five elements,even dojutsu like kamui,CT,ST (of the same size)....etc

 

[KidGamer65]

Alright it seems you didn't comprehend my post so I'll break it down for you.

I said the reason Kakashi's boost was probably stronger is because he received the chakra from Naruto, not Kurama. Naruto is skilled at such a level that he can transform Kurama's chakra he gives out to fit the persons build/traits.

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. Naruto is THE ONLY ONE who can make a perfect link to Kuramas chakra. Look at the picture, see his chakra build perfectly links to Kuramas? Kurama stated why that is such. Keep reading, and see that Kurama says Naruto has become so adept at it that he can mold/transform the chakra to match everyone's unique build. Now look back at the picture, notice the chakra Naruto is giving out perfectly links with each shinobi's build. Kurama then states ''This means that now I can transfer my chakra to anyone using Naruto as a vessel". Kurama was simply handing chakra out. Naruto was handing out that same chakra, but manipulating it to fit everyone's unique build perfectly, an ability Kurama doesn't have, otherwise he wouldn't have just said now he can do it through Naruto, if he did it with Kakashi earlier. Simply put, he gave Kakashi chakra, but didn't manipulate it to match his build perfectly.

You can't bring out the full power of chakra transferred to you unless the chakra is manipulated to fit your build.

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So that is a reason Kakashi's power was stronger than before but even if none of this was ever explained. Kakashi's cloak being stronger doesn't invalidate what Obito said about the amount of chakra is no less potent, especially when Ridoku chakra and Hashirama chakra supports my case 100%.

Uh, no.

-Hagoromo>Naruto and Sasuke, yet the only difference between their chakra is that he has more.
-Kaguya passed her chakra down to her sons. Yet they are nowhere near as powerful as she is.
-Kaguya got stronger when she absorbed massive amounts of IT Chakra.
-Jins get stronger as they draw on more of the Bijuu's chakra. Naruto's chakra in BM can be felt in different countries. Never had that effect when he used KCM, or his red cloaked forms.
-Hashirama's chakra is potent enough to destroy the Naka Shrine underground area if he wanted to:

1. Orochimaru has a body made of said cells and has chakra nowhere near that level.
2. Same goes for Obito.
3. Same goes for Danzo.
4. Same goes for Yamato.

 

[LuckyMan]

Uh, no.

-Hagoromo>Naruto and Sasuke, yet the only difference between their chakra is that he has more.
-Kaguya passed her chakra down to her sons. Yet they are nowhere near as powerful as she is.
-Kaguya got stronger when she absorbed massive amounts of IT Chakra.
-Jins get stronger as they draw on more of the Bijuu's chakra. Naruto's chakra in BM can be felt in different countries. Never had that effect when he used KCM, or his red cloaked forms.
-Hashirama's chakra is potent enough to destroy the Naka Shrine underground area if he wanted to:

1. Orochimaru has a body made of said cells and has chakra nowhere near that level.
2. Same goes for Obito.
3. Same goes for Danzo.
4. Same goes for Yamato.

I see your point, but I was explaining to him a reason why Kakashi said the chakra was stronger than before. Dude said it's stronger simply because more chakra=more potency and while he does have Kakashi statement backing that up, I have Obitos statement that a Bijuus power is no less potent even if its small, which contradicts more chakra=more potency as the reason Kakashi Cloak was stronger so I gave him a reason why it could have been stronger, which was that the chakra wasn't for Kakashi build and because of that it was limited.

Even if it doesn't for humans, the manga says it works that way for Bijuu so this would apply to Kakashi so we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[Apêx1]

I see your point, but I was explaining to him a reason why Kakashi said the chakra was stronger than before. Dude said it's stronger simply because more chakra=more potency and while he does have Kakashi statement backing that up, I have Obitos statement that a Bijuus power is no less potent even if its small, which contradicts more chakra=more potency as the reason Kakashi Cloak was stronger so I gave him a reason why it could have been stronger, which was that the chakra wasn't for Kakashi build and because of that it was limited.

Even if it doesn't for humans, the manga says it works that way for Bijuu so this would apply to Kakashi so we'll have to agree to disagree.

Here's the VIZ of mine to show it's not a mistranslations [

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I really, really don't understand how you can argue this. By YOUR logic Juubito should be just as strong as JJ Madara since the only thing seperating them is amount of chakra. After all, having less Hachibi and Kyuubi chakra should only mean less reserves, not less potency of chakra. Is

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? Is it really even though Orochimaru said the v2 and v1 had a different sensation [

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]? Strength of v2 [

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] not an obvious indicator? More chakra doesn't make you stronger [

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]? Naruto's chakra is strong enough to suppress the Kyuubi's chakra until the Kyuubi's chakra grows stronger [

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]? Clearly if all these things only increased chakra amount but not chakra potency, then he'd only be increasing his reserves. Yet in every occasion the chakra potency leads to greater strength, just like everything in this manga suggests more of said chakra=more of that power. If Naruto is in KN0 he'll have far less capabilities then when he is in v1, which has less then v2, which has less then BM, and that's all because every time his chakra potency increases due to having more chakra. Your one scan does not overrules every other differing situation in this manga.