Pain vs KCM Naruto

[Lord Tywin]

Deva isn't on cool down. Rest are the same
No restriction
Location is destroyed leaf
distance is 30M
intel is the same as canon fight. Pain knows about Naruto's KCM abilities

 

[iNotorious]

Doesn't naruto need sm to defeat pain because he will be absorbing most if not all his attacks plus his speed hack is inconsistent throughout the war arc. I'm not sure.

 

[Haizaki]

Naruto takes this fight. Almost easily.

 

[Zexion~]

KCM is all chakra, has no way of taking down preta path, plus he's already been shown to be caught off guard via the chameleon.

Depends on if Pain can react to KCM though.

 

[Haizaki]

Le me just explain to my points to reasonable people. Kage level clones capable of blitzing the Third raking won't take down Preta path? Huh People?

If you people didn't know, it takes the ability to react to a person in order to absorb in cases like Preta's. Peta cannot just absorb if he cannot react. Example: Just like how he jumps back(To evade being touched for a reason) to properly turns back to position himself in order to absorb in the bottom here

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. Naruto capable of blitzing the 3rd from a position with no reaction like this

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shouldn't have a problem bypassing Preta's absorption speed when he cannot react to this speed.

Even though we know dust cloud already rendered the Rinnegan useless for Naruto to carry out his atttacks. Even though we know frog song restrict movements and even though we know Naruto has his summons here to cancel out Nagato's summons. Even though we see the Chameleon being a non factor like here

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Pain can kiss his chances goodbye.

 

[Chaosmark101]

Naruto's only shot is blitzing Deva path before Shinra Tensei -> Chibaku tensei. It's possible, though. The rest of the paths get wrecked by guided frs, rasengan variants, summons, or taijutsu/ kawazu kumite from a sm clone.

 

[Haizaki]

Naruto's only shot is blitzing Deva path before Shinra Tensei -> Chibaku tensei. It's possible, though. The rest of the paths get wrecked by guided frs, rasengan variants, summons, or taijutsu/ kawazu kumite from a sm clone.

Lol no only is Deva's ST useless against Naruto's cloak and durability, he cannot see in dust cloud where Naruto can effectively take advantage of him. Naruto is too fast.

CT is countered via the powerful attacks Naruto's clones carry.

 

[Chaosmark101]

Lol no only is Deva's ST useless against Naruto's cloak and durability, he cannot see in dust cloud where Naruto can effectively take advantage of him. Naruto is too fast.

CT is countered via the powerful attacks Naruto's clones carry.

Shinra tensei is only needed to push Naruto away, considering it sent the Gama trio soaring. That gives Deva path enough space to safely launch a CT orb. Naruto's only move that can hope to bust CT is cho odama rasenshuriken. Which I doubt can be formed & sent in time.

 

[Zexion~]

Le me just explain to my points to reasonable people. Kage level clones capable of blitzing the Third raking won't take down Preta path? Huh People?

If you people didn't know, it takes the ability to react to a person in order to absorb in cases like Preta's. Peta cannot just absorb if he cannot react. Example: Just like how he jumps back(To evade being touched for a reason) to properly turns back to position himself in order to absorb in the bottom here

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. Naruto capable of blitzing the 3rd from a position with no reaction like this

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shouldn't have a problem bypassing Preta's absorption speed when he cannot react to this speed.

Even though we know dust cloud already rendered the Rinnegan useless for Naruto to carry out his atttacks. Even though we know frog song restrict movements and even though we know Naruto has his summons here to cancel out Nagato's summons. Even though we see the Chameleon being a non factor like here

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Pain can kiss his chances goodbye.

-Jiraiya and Ma and Pa could sense the chamelon KCM Naruto has already shown his lack of ability to do so

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-Preta was shown to absorb in a field like manor

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So he doesn't need to turn.

-What blitz? The third reacted to the FRS Naruto used his chakra hand to place behind him so he was turned around, then threw it back to himself so he was facing the thirds back :lol he didn't blitz shit. ST and Preta negate both of those strategies.

-Kage level clones can't do shit when preta is active and their cloaks are absorbed or if Preta is hanging around Deva. Cerberus is still an issue.

-Naruto still has no counter to CT/CST

 

[Haizaki]

Shinra tensei is only needed to push Naruto away, considering it sent the Gama trio soaring. That gives Deva path enough space to safely launch a CT orb. Naruto's only move that can hope to bust CT is cho odama rasenshuriken. Which I doubt can be formed & sent in time.

Nope...Naruto just needs to do this (Bottom right)

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. Besides if Pain isn't seen properly, how's he reacting to Naruto's level of speed in the cloud?

Multple FRS from him and his clones should bring it down. Especially with full intel, Naruto can aim to destroy it before it takes in more rocks thanks to Itachi's strategy.

 

[Chaosmark101]

Nope...Naruto just needs to do this (Bottom right)

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. Besides if Pain isn't seen properly, how's he reacting to Naruto's level of speed in the cloud?

Multple FRS from him and his clones should bring it down. Especially with full intel, Naruto can aim to destroy it before it takes in more rocks thanks to Itachi's strategy.

But Naruto in canon needed an

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. Also @ bold. Did you mean "seeing" by any chance? That's assuming Deva & the paths aren't launching rockets or using summons, & or Bansho tennin on Naruto & clones all the while he tried to summon Ma and Pa. With shared vision they won't be loosing track of Naruto outside of smoke bombs.

@CT counter: Maybe I still like to believe Bee's BD did most of the work against the core.

 

[Haizaki]

-Jiraiya and Ma and Pa could sense the chamelon KCM Naruto has already shown his lack of ability to do so

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So..? This is irrelevant. Ma found it via that technique. He'll summon them and the same would be repeated. Simple and nothing to argue when it's evidently shown.

Besides Naruto has clones who can easily notice this..Or who Nauro could signal to. Anyways this isn't a case.

-Preta was shown to absorb in a field like manor

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So he doesn't need to turn.

Please read and respond to my point correctly because this has nothing to with them. My point states Preta needs to react in order to absorb as I clearly showed hence him jumping to avoid bing touched by that. It shows that absorption doesn't activate automatically. Hence this doesn't matter when in the scans you're showing, they are evidently seeing able to react. No evidence that Preta Path itself has such reaction against KCM Naruto or his clones that he'll activate it. Especially if the Dust cloud comes up.

-What blitz? The third reacted to the FRS Naruto used his chakra hand to place behind him so he was turned around, then threw it back to himself so he was facing the thirds back :lol he didn't blitz shit. ST and Preta negate both of those strategies.

Only Lord knows what you're saying...The Third already showed to react to FRS from his back

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so no excuses. If you don't bother reading or looking well, then just look at the bottom panel where Naruto uses Shunsin and hits him

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Don't care for the rest of the in your post. Also read where I said about dust cloud which negates the effect of the Rinnegan. Get me Preta's reactions as well.

-Kage level clones can't do shit when preta is active and their cloaks are absorbed or if Preta is hanging around Deva. Cerberus is still an issue.

Smh Their cloaks are being absorbed with them standing there right? Lol sounds good to us. Besides I've dealt with Preta who can't anticipate or react to attacks like this for example

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(Naruto was on the battlefield when that happened so no he had to be on top or so)

Like I said he can't even fight with dust cloud up making things worse. I dealt with this.

-Naruto still has no counter to CT/CST

Multiple FRS would destroy CT and the only reason why it was as durable was due to the fact he took it took in way more rocks. Naruto has intel now so he'll destroy it before it forms to being as durable. Choodama FRS which is arguably bigger than a summon

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plus other FRS by the clones should definitely destroy that Orb especially before it completely forms to such a level since Naruto has intel on its weakness.

CST..? Yeah Right. When Naruto's cloak was strong enough to protect him from the Juubi's powerful attack Tenpechii which is stronger without a doubt

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which surprised Madara who resorted to V3. Even though Naruto focused on the alliance and protected them.

But Naruto in canon needed an

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. Also @ bold. Did you mean "seeing" by any chance? That's assuming Deva & the paths aren't launching rockets or using summons, & or Bansho tennin on Naruto & clones all the while he tried to summon Ma and Pa. With shared vision they won't be loosing track of Naruto outside of smoke bombs.

@CT counter: Maybe I still like to believe Bee's BD did most of the work against the core.

That's Base or SM Naruto who's nowhere near KCM in term of durability.

Not smoke bombs, Dust cloud. Which is effective when considering Naruto's speed as well. @BD point. No..BD was just one of the techniques used and the Orb even had more rocks to enhance it's durability. In a case where Naruto has full intel from the start, that level of durability would not be reached before it gets destroyed.

 

[Beans2]

Pain probably wins.

 

[Zexion~]

So..? This is irrelevant. Ma found it via that technique. He'll summon them and the same would be repeated. Simple and nothing to argue when it's evidently shown.

Besides Naruto has clones who can easily notice this..Or who Nauro could signal to. Anyways this isn't a case.



Please read and respond to my point correctly because this has nothing to with them. My point states Preta needs to react in order to absorb as I clearly showed hence him jumping to avoid bing touched by that. It shows that absorption doesn't activate automatically. Hence this doesn't matter when in the scans you're showing, they are evidently seeing able to react. No evidence that Preta Path itself has such reaction against KCM Naruto or his clones that he'll activate it. Especially if the Dust cloud comes up.



Only Lord knows what you're saying...The Third already showed to react to FRS from his back

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so no excuses. If you don't bother reading or looking well, then just look at the bottom panel where Naruto uses Shunsin and hits him

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Don't care for the rest of the in your post. Also read where I said about dust cloud which negates the effect of the Rinnegan. Get me Preta's reactions as well.




Smh Their cloaks are being absorbed with them standing there right? Lol sounds good to us. Besides I've dealt with Preta who can't anticipate or react to attacks like this for example

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(Naruto was on the battlefield when that happened so no he had to be on top or so)

Like I said he can't even fight with dust cloud up making things worse. I dealt with this.



Multiple FRS would destroy CT and the only reason why it was as durable was due to the fact he took it took in way more rocks. Naruto has intel now so he'll destroy it before it forms to being as durable. Choodama FRS which is arguably bigger than a summon

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plus other FRS by the clones should definitely destroy that Orb especially before it completely forms to such a level since Naruto has intel on its weakness.

CST..? Yeah Right. When Naruto's cloak was strong enough to protect him from the Juubi's powerful attack Tenpechii which is stronger without a doubt

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which surprised Madara who resorted to V3. Even though Naruto focused on the alliance and protected them.




That's Base or SM Naruto who's nowhere near KCM in term of durability.

Not smoke bombs, Dust cloud. Which is effective when considering Naruto's speed as well. @BD point. No..BD was just one of the techniques used and the Orb even had more rocks to enhance it's durability. In a case where Naruto has full intel from the start, that level of durability would not be reached before it gets destroyed.

:lol my man someone else must be using your account, you're usually not bad by any means but these points are ridiuclous.


-All preta has to do is leave the jutsu activated, he doesn't have to react :lol anything would be absorbed.

-Why would KCM Naruto randomly summon the toads when he doesn't even know the chameleon is activated invisible means he can't see it :lol

-He reacted to it because he saw Naruto's arm extending backwards :lol not to mention it wasn't going at a thrown speed as it was flying away from him still. He was preocupied with avoiding that one and wasn't aware Naruto would catch it and hit him with it, had nothing to do with blitzing.

-Jesus christ look at your scan.

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If you still don't get it nothing more I can say.

-Multiple FRS from clones? Do you have proof that every clones jutsu wouldn't be weakened? If they all could pull it off I suppose it work, doubtful that they can.

Not even going to adress you using BM feats in a KCM mode debate :lol


What? Its a jutsu that simulates a natural disaster Madara stated "That should have cleaned up a bit" as in get rid of the fodders :lol and was subsequently suprised when Naruto decided to bless them with chakra cloaks.

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The fact that the fodder were left standing with shitty cloaks is enough to prove the attack isn't that devestating, in relative terms.

KCM Naruto was worried about Nukite

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if you think that the force capable of decimating a village condensed onto one person will be tanked by the KCM which was getting batterd by a mere Biju attack

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You're insane :lol

Not saying Pain wins, just saying he has no counter to CST


Nagat wins mid diff though.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Tsunade and some fodders survived CST without Katsuya

 

[Zexion~]

Tsunade and some fodders survived CST without Katsuya

Because he spread it out over such a wide area....The force overall was the same but the amount hitting each person was much much smaller.

 

[Haizaki]

Oh Jesus Christ...I don't think I've seen a post this bad before at least from anyone in the 1- 4 Tier section. Incoming post.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Naruto takes it. The main threat that is pain is the fact that he has numbers and joint vision.

But up against a foe that can over double pains numbers it's useless.

Every path will end up facing at least 2 kage lvl clones.

 

[Zexion~]

Oh Jesus Christ...I don't think I've seen a post this bad before at least from anyone in the 1- 4 Tier section. Incoming post.

Guess you haven't read your own posts :lol

 

[Lord Tywin]

Because he spread it out over such a wide area....The force overall was the same but the amount hitting each person was much much smaller.

What makes you think Pain can make a condensed CST? He needed to shut off all his paths to use a huge one. If Pain tries to condense such an attack it'll require him to use more time to pull it off, which leaves him open for Naruto to interrupt him in the middle of prep.