[VS] DRSM Madara vs Juubito

[KingHashirama]

Juubi's jinchuriki who isn't limited to just standing in one place or just fighting in one place? vs A dude with 2 rinnegans and Hashirama's SM?


Juubi's jinchuriki it is.


Non-rikudou powered person has no chance against a juubi's jinchuriki.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Non-rikudou powered person has no chance against a juubi's jinchuriki.

glad to see someone knows that a (probably) immortal juubi jin > mortal man.

OH GOD NO PLEASE TAKE THIS QUOTE BACK. NO NO NO. YOU DON'T NEED RIKUDOU CHAKRA TO FIGHT RIKUDOU CHAKRA! I AM NOT AFFILIATED WITH MYSELF IN THIS CASE.

 

[KidGamer65]

ok, then, granted.

my other points, most of which i though up right now, still stand.

1: Obito has the shinju, so on the basis that having the shinju made madara immortal, so is he. madara doesnt have any Bijuu chakra, so he cant extract the bijuu like naruto did. (obito had left over juubi chakra, thats why he could take madaras stuff). no matter what madara does, obito is still immortal. even if he isnt immortal for some reason, he is still very durable and has a massive healing factor (as seen when he blew himself in half and totaly ignored it)

2: what does madara have that is powerful enough to break the shield, but which will also not kill him in the process? that is a key flaw in the whole chibaku tensei argument.

3: remember, madara has limited sage energy he took from hashirama, unlike naruto and sasuke when they fought juubito. (well, sasuke had juugos help, but madara isnt getting any more from hashi). once SM runs out, its all over for madara.

4: you need to understand how madara fights. he doesnt just throw his most powerful attack in as soon as possible. he didnt use perfect susanoo until the 5 kage beat his mokuton clones, he didnt force obito to use rinne tensei the second he turned up at the fight with naruto and bee, and he will not spam chibaku tensei when this fight begins.


as long as obito can last 5 minutes, which he can, madara is gonna lose SM and then it's no contest, and madara doesnt have the power or the mindset to beat obito in under 5 minutes. he spends the first few minutes bragging, and in general underestimating obito (he does that a lot), gets ready to fight for real, loses sage mode and dies for the fifth and final time.

1. Wrong. Obito has the Juubi. When he releases it, it then evolves into the Shinju. So unless he releases the Juubi to become the Shinju, and then reabsorbs it, we can forget about him being immortal. Then there's the sheer fact that Manga would've made it clear if what Madara was doing was simply what Obito had done. :lol Not sure why people still to this day try to argue that Obito is some type of immortal. The only immortal JJ is Madara.

2. I've already addressed Chibaku Tensei. If he's in the air, he won't get hit by the shockwaves of the attack, and I shouldn't have to explain why he himself won't get hit by the rocks directly.

3. Not really. He doesn't need Sage Mode to harm Obito when Rikudo's Chakra is what Sasuke got, and he can still harm the Jin. Madara has Rikudo's Chakra. Not to mention Chibaku Tensei deals physical damage, thus Obito cannot negate it or block it (as his defense is too weak)

Not to mention Sage Mode lasted way longer than 5 minutes in canon. From the moment he took it to the moment he became the Juubi's Jinchuuriki.

4. Which isn't relevant unless you want to try and argue he won't use his best tech before Obito tries to kill him. The fact that you are arguing that Madara doesn't use his full power right off the bat based on a fight where he toyed with the Gokage is beyond me tbh. :lol And it only shows that you don't know how Madara fights.

-Sees Hashirama as his rival, enters PS almost as soon as they start fighting.

If he uses his best tech that soon into a battle with Hashirama, then you can forget about him stalling and not using his best tech against Obito ASAP when Obito is the Juubi's Jinchuuriki. The fact that Madara was wary of Obito (the Juubi's) power in the Manga shuts this whole notion down. What's even more hilarious is that you think Madara will stall so long and lose Sage Mode despite knowing that Sage Mode has a time limit.

You're grasping at straws. Stop it. :lol Stop using his fight against the Gokage, who were bugs to him, as the sole reason why you think he'll do what you think he'll do.

 

[Bronze]

Juubi's jinchuriki who isn't limited to just standing in one place or just fighting in one place? vs A dude with 2 rinnegans and Hashirama's SM?


Juubi's jinchuriki it is.


Non-rikudou powered person has no chance against a juubi's jinchuriki.

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[Your Creepy Stalker]

1. Wrong. Obito has the Juubi. When he releases it, it then evolves into the Shinju. So unless he releases the Juubi to become the Shinju, and then reabsorbs it, we can forget about him being immortal. Then there's the sheer fact that Manga would've made it clear if what Madara was doing was simply what Obito had done. :lol Not sure why people still to this day try to argue that Obito is some type of immortal. The only immortal JJ is Madara.

2. I've already addressed Chibaku Tensei. If he's in the air, he won't get hit by the shockwaves of the attack, and I shouldn't have to explain why he himself won't get hit by the rocks directly.

3. Not really. He doesn't need Sage Mode to harm Obito when Rikudo's Chakra is what Sasuke got, and he can still harm the Jin. Madara has Rikudo's Chakra. Not to mention Chibaku Tensei deals physical damage, thus Obito cannot negate it or block it (as his defense is too weak)

Not to mention Sage Mode lasted way longer than 5 minutes in canon. From the moment he took it to the moment he became the Juubi's Jinchuuriki.

4. Which isn't relevant unless you want to try and argue he won't use his best tech before Obito tries to kill him. The fact that you are arguing that Madara doesn't use his full power right off the bat based on a fight where he toyed with the Gokage is beyond me tbh. :lol And it only shows that you don't know how Madara fights.

-Sees Hashirama as his rival, enters PS almost as soon as they start fighting.

If he uses his best tech that soon into a battle with Hashirama, then you can forget about him stalling and not using his best tech against Obito ASAP when Obito is the Juubi's Jinchuuriki. The fact that Madara was wary of Obito (the Juubi's) power in the Manga shuts this whole notion down. What's even more hilarious is that you think Madara will stall so long and lose Sage Mode despite knowing that Sage Mode has a time limit.

You're grasping at straws. Stop it. :lol Stop using his fight against the Gokage, who were bugs to him, as the sole reason why you think he'll do what you think he'll do.

1: you didnt explain away his collosal healing factor. so, why would having the shinju be any different to having the juubi in terms of immortality? they are litteraly the same thing.

2: Chibaku tensei, no matter how it is used, will not break obito's shield. shockwaves from dropping it? the juubidamas did more, to no effect. dropping a meteor on him? TSB destroys solid rock, as it isnt senjutsu, and then he can just smash his way out. crushing him inside it? he has been shown to be able to burrow through solid rock before (see 4 juubidama nuke, and mindless juubito VS hokages, naruto and sasuke). even if he could beat obito with CT, the resultant meteor will fall on him and, as we saw when he first used it, blow him and his susanoo to bits. Also, you argue that Madara can survive this attack by being in the air, when Obito has been seen flying and Madara has not.

3: umm... sasuke didnt have riduko chakra against obito, he had senjutsu from juugo. madara didnt get riduko chakra till he became juubi jin. the amount of SM he absorbed was limited, if massive, and can be used up quickly if he uses it too fast (see naruto VS pain)

4: ok then. NOBODY starts a fight like "oh no! an enemy! Chibaku tensei!" Madara didnt use PS against naruto, bee, kakashi and gai, nor did he dump a meteor on them. he fought minato, kakashi and gaara using solely taijutsu instead of meteors and limbo. he didnt use limbo against Gai, and he didnt, (and this is the significant one), drop a few meteors on obito, who was about to complete his plan, despite claiming that he didnt want obito to be the one to use IT.

the only thing madara has that could possibly break obito's shield is PS, which is restricted, thus making the entire VS thread pointless. SSGSS Vegeta vs Vegito, no Fusions or SSGSS.

Madara is a mortal man, with a bunch of chakra, a relatively slow healing factor, and a tendency to underestimate his opponents and not blow them up. (cough distinct lack of meteors)

Obito is a slightly less mortal man, with godlike chakra, an impenetrable defence, an insane healing factor, and no twinges of conscience when it comes to blowing up everyone, especially Madara.


Tl:dr - madara cant beat obito without blowing himself to bits in the process, and that still probably wouldnt work.

 

[KidGamer65]

1: you didnt explain away his collosal healing factor. so, why would having the shinju be any different to having the juubi in terms of immortality? they are litteraly the same thing.

2: Chibaku tensei, no matter how it is used, will not break obito's shield. shockwaves from dropping it? the juubidamas did more, to no effect. dropping a meteor on him? TSB destroys solid rock, as it isnt senjutsu, and then he can just smash his way out. crushing him inside it? he has been shown to be able to burrow through solid rock before (see 4 juubidama nuke, and mindless juubito VS hokages, naruto and sasuke). even if he could beat obito with CT, the resultant meteor will fall on him and, as we saw when he first used it, blow him and his susanoo to bits. Also, you argue that Madara can survive this attack by being in the air, when Obito has been seen flying and Madara has not.

3: umm... sasuke didnt have riduko chakra against obito, he had senjutsu from juugo. madara didnt get riduko chakra till he became juubi jin. the amount of SM he absorbed was limited, if massive, and can be used up quickly if he uses it too fast (see naruto VS pain)

4: ok then. NOBODY starts a fight like "oh no! an enemy! Chibaku tensei!" Madara didnt use PS against naruto, bee, kakashi and gai, nor did he dump a meteor on them. he fought minato, kakashi and gaara using solely taijutsu instead of meteors and limbo. he didnt use limbo against Gai, and he didnt, (and this is the significant one), drop a few meteors on obito, who was about to complete his plan, despite claiming that he didnt want obito to be the one to use IT.

the only thing madara has that could possibly break obito's shield is PS, which is restricted, thus making the entire VS thread pointless. SSGSS Vegeta vs Vegito, no Fusions or SSGSS.

Madara is a mortal man, with a bunch of chakra, a relatively slow healing factor, and a tendency to underestimate his opponents and not blow them up. (cough distinct lack of meteors)

Obito is a slightly less mortal man, with godlike chakra, an impenetrable defence, an insane healing factor, and no twinges of conscience when it comes to blowing up everyone, especially Madara.


Tl:dr - madara cant beat obito without blowing himself to bits in the process, and that still probably wouldnt work.

1. He healed from getting half his body blown up. Nothing compared to having his whole body turned to mush by multiple giant rocks.

2. Wrong, again.

-Don't mention Juubidama ever again as those were negated. Chibaku Tensei is not Ninjutsu, thus he cannot negate it. It is a physical attack.

-Once again, it's a physical attack. Thus Gudo Dama cannot negate it. Gudo Dama and the Jin negate Ninjutsu. Whole reason why Gai was the only one who could stand against JJ Madara.

-Burrowing through solid rock with the Gudo Dama=/=Obliterating multiple Mountain ranged sized Chibaku Tensei. That logic is the same as me saying "Ay can smash through a Ribcage Susanoo, thus he should do the same to all Susanoo". :lol

-Wrong. Madara jumped at the Bijuu, and was hovering in mid air. Obito being able to fly doesn't matter since Madara can aim to hit him while Madara won't aim to hit himself. Something that has already been mentioned.

3. I was obviously talking about RINNEGAN Sasuke vs. MADARA. Not Obito. The amount of Sage Power he absorbed was limited, but it doesn't matter since it being limited doesn't mean that it will run out before he kills Obito, nor does that

4. The fact that you are resorting to this argument only shows me that Obito is inferior. What's even worse is that your argument is flawed beyond belief for the same reason the post I just replied to was flawed beyond belief.

Stop comparing those people to a Juubi Jin. Stop comparing Madara w/ one eye to Madara w/ both eyes. Different capabilities, thus the actions they take in battle will be different. When Madara fought someone he saw as a legitimate threat and he had both his eyes (thus all his abilities), he started the battle with Chibaku Tensei and Limbo. VS. Naruto and Sasuke who hadn't even shown their full power, yet somehow Madara dicks around with the Juubi Jin? The same Juubi Jin he was wary of? :lol Once again, stop. Your Obito point doesn't even make any sort of sense since:

-He didn't fight Obito.
-He tried to use Rinne Tensei on Obito when he emerged defeated and failed miserably.
-Why would he "drop a few meteors" on someone he needs to revive him? Smh. If you are talking about after he became the Jin, then I laugh even harder since his fight against Hashirama was so he could get the Senjutsu so he could defeat Obito and switch places with him. Not to mention DRSM Madara>>>Edo Madara.

Madara being mortal and Obito being less mortal than that doesn't change anything here.

 

[Touken]

-If the body didn't have resistance to Ninjutsu, he would've taken far more damage from FRS.
-If the body didn't have resistance to Ninjutsu, Tobirama and Minato wouldn't have said it does on multiple occasions.

Madara was tanking Gai's EE cannons. I know that Rikudou Madara >> Rikudou Obito, but the fact that he was able to tank them but yet Obito got damaged from a regular Senpo Rasengan shows that senjutsu is their weakness, since you can't have resistance to physical attacks.

Naruto was even about to use Frog Kumite [

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[KidGamer65]

Madara was tanking Gai's EE cannons. I know that Rikudou Madara >> Rikudou Obito, but the fact that he was able to tank them but yet Obito got damaged from a regular Senpo Rasengan shows that senjutsu is their weakness, since you can't have resistance to physical attacks.

Naruto was even about to use Frog Kumite [

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Obito got a hole put in him yet Madara get slammed with a Senjutsu Lava Rasen Shuriken and wasn't even completely bisected. That just means that Madara>>Obito cause if Senjutsu was their weakness, there's no way he'd survive that even if we take the size of him and the size of the FRS into account.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

you seem to be confused about what TSB do. they destroy everything exept senjutsu. in addition, ninjutsu has very little to no effecton the jin himself. that is why only taijustu and senjutsu work. Physical damage such as taijutsu, or as you like to mention, dropping a meteor on it, can hurt juubi jins, but is negated by the TSB's.

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you still havent explained precicely how madara is going to chibaku tensei to kill obito?

when madara jumped at the bijuu, he was immobilised by gaara, not flying. he cant fly without being juubi jin.

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he can jump really far, but not far enough to dodge his meteors.

Me putting up every argument i can think of, in the order that i think of them, shows me that i remembered madaras distinct lack of going into fights spamming his best move after i thought of counters to all your things. providing more evidence does not mean i have a lack of evidence as to why obito kicks madaras ass, quite the opposite.



Now, enough arguing as to how madara cant kill obito, time to argue how obito can kill madara. madaras only defences is susanoo, and dodging obitos attacks. as has been shown before, susanoo is obliterated by TSB.

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however, for the sake of you inevitably bringing it up, let us say madara can put SM into his susanoo. he still cant get through obito's TSB

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Obito blocking a senjutsu susanoo sword, without being even fazed. remember, PS is restricted, so no claiming madaras is better than sasuke.

anything else? because i just realised i'm arguing about who would win in a fight on the internet, and everyone knows that that sort of thing cant end.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Obito got a hole put in him yet Madara get slammed with a Senjutsu Lava Rasen Shuriken and wasn't even completely bisected. That just means that Madara>>Obito cause if Senjutsu was their weakness, there's no way he'd survive that even if we take the size of him and the size of the FRS into account.

Why are you still arguing this just admit that your wrong and gtfoh.​

 

[KidGamer65]

you seem to be confused about what TSB do. they destroy everything exept senjutsu. in addition, ninjutsu has very little to no effecton the jin himself. that is why only taijustu and senjutsu work. Physical damage such as taijutsu, or as you like to mention, dropping a meteor on it, can hurt juubi jins, but is negated by the TSB's.

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you still havent explained precicely how madara is going to chibaku tensei to kill obito?

when madara jumped at the bijuu, he was immobilised by gaara, not flying. he cant fly without being juubi jin.

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he can jump really far, but not far enough to dodge his meteors.

Me putting up every argument i can think of, in the order that i think of them, shows me that i remembered madaras distinct lack of going into fights spamming his best move after i thought of counters to all your things. providing more evidence does not mean i have a lack of evidence as to why obito kicks madaras ass, quite the opposite.



Now, enough arguing as to how madara cant kill obito, time to argue how obito can kill madara. madaras only defences is susanoo, and dodging obitos attacks. as has been shown before, susanoo is obliterated by TSB.

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however, for the sake of you inevitably bringing it up, let us say madara can put SM into his susanoo. he still cant get through obito's TSB

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Obito blocking a senjutsu susanoo sword, without being even fazed. remember, PS is restricted, so no claiming madaras is better than sasuke.

anything else? because i just realised i'm arguing about who would win in a fight on the internet, and everyone knows that that sort of thing cant end.

I know how the Gudo Dama work. They disintegrate objects just like Jinton does (but nowhere near as powerful) and they negate Ninjutsu

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, so I'm not even sure where this "negates everything" nonsense came from). Period. Not Senjutsu and not physical attacks. Chapter 639 and 642 pretty much cover all this. Gai wasn't able to hit the Gudo Dama because once again, they disintegrate objects just like Jinton does. If his fist hits them then his fist turns to ash. Has nothing to do with their ability to negate Ninjutsu.

How does Gaara stopping Madara's movements let him float in mid air?

You putting up all those arguments shows your extremely apparent lack of the ability to properly assess and comprehend the information that has been given to you. You say Madara will mess around with Obito based on what Madara did to the Gokage, who he already knew were far weaker than him.

You complain about spam, yet I never said anyone spams anything. Let's not put words in my mouth. I said that Madara ends this match with CT. Hell, I never said he even starts out with it so you brought up this irrelevant argument for literally no reason. But even if I had, I've already noted a situation where Madara jumped straight to CT against Naruto and Sasuke who hadn't even shown a fraction of their powers, so a weaker Madara will obviously not play around with the Juubi's Jinchuuriki. It does not get any simpler than this.

Except I have. If you didn't read it before jumping in the argument that isn't my fault. Madara can control CT, thus he unleashes the rain of CT on Obito and he gets hit and dies. Even if Madara can't actually fly,

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, he can control CT. It never hits him.

Obito used Gudo Dama on that Ribcage Susanoo and failed to penetrate it AND kill Naruto. All he managed to do was put a hole in the Susanoo. If the Susanoo can block his attack and save Naruto, then a stronger version would block with little damage. Gudo Dama has no feat that lets Obito destroy Madara's Susanoo so let's not go there. And Susanoo not being able to get through the Gudo Dama means absolutely nothing since that isn't my argument or how Madara whoops Obito, but considering Madara's Susanoo already dwarfs Sasuke's and has Senjutsu and Rikudo's Chakra buffing it's power, I honestly won't be surprised if it can get past Obito's Gudo Dama, but that's irrelevant.

Nope. Plenty of arguments end. The only reason this one won't end is because you won't stop using flawed logic.

Why are you still arguing this just admit that your wrong and gtfoh.​

Fuck off TRE MERCER and learn how to read the Manga while you're at it. (Hint hint: Not right to left)

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Please disregard the following post, as well as all other posts i have made on this thread. My idiot brother is an idiot.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

I know how the Gudo Dama work. They disintegrate objects just like Jinton does (but nowhere near as powerful) and they negate Ninjutsu

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, so I'm not even sure where this "negates everything" nonsense came from). Period. Not Senjutsu and not physical attacks. Chapter 639 and 642 pretty much cover all this. Gai wasn't able to hit the Gudo Dama because once again, they disintegrate objects just like Jinton does. If his fist hits them then his fist turns to ash. Has nothing to do with their ability to negate Ninjutsu.

How does Gaara stopping Madara's movements let him float in mid air?

You putting up all those arguments shows your extremely apparent lack of the ability to properly assess and comprehend the information that has been given to you. You say Madara will mess around with Obito based on what Madara did to the Gokage, who he already knew were far weaker than him.

You complain about spam, yet I never said anyone spams anything. Let's not put words in my mouth. I said that Madara ends this match with CT. Hell, I never said he even starts out with it so you brought up this irrelevant argument for literally no reason. But even if I had, I've already noted a situation where Madara jumped straight to CT against Naruto and Sasuke who hadn't even shown a fraction of their powers, so a weaker Madara will obviously not play around with the Juubi's Jinchuuriki. It does not get any simpler than this.

Except I have. If you didn't read it before jumping in the argument that isn't my fault. Madara can control CT, thus he unleashes the rain of CT on Obito and he gets hit and dies. Even if Madara can't actually fly,

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, he can control CT. It never hits him.

Obito used Gudo Dama on that Ribcage Susanoo and failed to penetrate it AND kill Naruto. All he managed to do was put a hole in the Susanoo. If the Susanoo can block his attack and save Naruto, then a stronger version would block with little damage. Gudo Dama has no feat that lets Obito destroy Madara's Susanoo so let's not go there. And Susanoo not being able to get through the Gudo Dama means absolutely nothing since that isn't my argument or how Madara whoops Obito, but considering Madara's Susanoo already dwarfs Sasuke's and has Senjutsu and Rikudo's Chakra buffing it's power, I honestly won't be surprised if it can get past Obito's Gudo Dama, but that's irrelevant.

Nope. Plenty of arguments end. The only reason this one won't end is because you won't stop using flawed logic.

1: tsb DO destroy things that arent ninjutsu. for instance, minato's kunai being sliced cleanly in half, or narutos tsb boring holes in ice.

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chibaku tensei is a physical object, so it will be destroyed.


2: gaaras sand can hover, which was why madara was floating. your point about deva path however works, but as madara has never demonstrated the ability to fly pre JJ, it doesnt count. lets forget this point, as it doesnt matter.


3: you still havent explained precicely how madara will use CT to beat obito. dropping it on him wont work, as he can fly out of range, or destroy it with TSB. in addition, a meteor would blow madara to bits, just like that time when madara dropped that meteor and was blown to bits.

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"The impure world ressurection was origionaly intended to be used to wipe the map clean, along with the caster" madara only uses his meteors if he knows he can regenerate or escape their range. madara is nowhere near fast enough to get away from his own meteor, but obito is, so one of the following will happen: 1: obito destroys it and he just wasted a bunch of sage chakra, 2: he and obito are both killed, or 3: obito flies out of its range and only madara is killed. which one of those situations is it benefitial for madara to use CT. hint. none.

4: madaras only attacks that could hurt obito are CT and susanoo. i have REPEATEDLY explained how CT wont work, and why madara wont use it. susanoo isnt powerful enough to get through a TSB shield

 

[KidGamer65]

1. And I just told you why. Nothing to do with negating Ninjutsu thus it relies on the offensive power of the Gudo Dama. And you lack the evidence to claim it obliterates CT. That simple.

2. Lol irrelevant. Madara has the Rinnegan, the same Rinnegan Nagato used to pull off everything he did, and is the original wielder. Thus if Madara so chooses flight is in his capabilities.

3. Except I did, twice now. Not sure if you skim through people's post before you reply. CT can be controlled, shown and explained in this thread, thus Obito gets nailed. Tracking his movements is easy due to EMS precog and SM sensing, two things that canonically tracked his movement. (Sasuke and Naruto) The Meteor only blows him to bits if he lets it hit the ground right near him. Which it won't since he can fly.

4. No, you've told me:

-Gudo Dama obliterates CT because it can destroy a Kunai. Ignoring the fact that it has a limit to it's power as Susanoo was able to block it.
-Gudo Dama obliterates V4 Susanoo because it failed to kill Naruto through a Ribcage defense of all things.

Please disregard the following post, as well as all other posts i have made on this thread. My idiot brother is an idiot.

Wat? :|

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

1. And I just told you why. Nothing to do with negating Ninjutsu thus it relies on the offensive power of the Gudo Dama. And you lack the evidence to claim it obliterates CT. That simple.

2. Lol irrelevant. Madara has the Rinnegan, the same Rinnegan Nagato used to pull off everything he did, and is the original wielder. Thus if Madara so chooses flight is in his capabilities.

3. Except I did, twice now. Not sure if you skim through people's post before you reply. CT can be controlled, shown and explained in this thread, thus Obito gets nailed. Tracking his movements is easy due to EMS precog and SM sensing, two things that canonically tracked his movement. (Sasuke and Naruto) The Meteor only blows him to bits if he lets it hit the ground right near him. Which it won't since he can fly.

4. No, you've told me:

-Gudo Dama obliterates CT because it can destroy a Kunai. Ignoring the fact that it has a limit to it's power as Susanoo was able to block it.
-Gudo Dama obliterates V4 Susanoo because it failed to kill Naruto through a Ribcage defense of all things.



Wat? :|

1: YES IT DOES. TSB's can expand massively, so even if that meteor isn't destroyed, it still isn't gonna kill obito. the shockwaves will also be blocked by TSB, as they where with the 4 juubidama's. whether those where senjutsu or not, they still made shockwaves which did nothing to the shield, and neither would a mountain falling on it.

2: Madara chooses to fight in madaras style, which doesnt involve flying.

3: and madara cannot control a meteor to the point it kills obito, but not him. CT can be controlled, but doing so basically turns them into a huge flying rock, rather than a falling meteor of destruction. madara cannot pinpoint obito (if we can even call dropping a mountain on someone pinpointing) without killing himself. he has never shown the ability to actually controll the trajectory of his meteors, and he only used them when he knew he would be able to survive them

4: TSBs destroy meteors, because they fall in the massive category of things that are not senjutsu based, and therefore are destroyed by contact. TSB's also destroy V4 susanoo, because no they dont, if we assume madara can get his susanoo with senjutsu.

this has basically devolved into "no, CT wouldnt work", "yes it would", "no it wouldnt", "yes it would", "nope", "yup", "nope", "yup", "nope".


as for "my idiot brother is an idiot" that is what happens when 2 people with differing opinions on arguing about who would win in a fight have one account.

 

[KidGamer65]

1: YES IT DOES. TSB's can expand massively, so even if that meteor isn't destroyed, it still isn't gonna kill obito. the shockwaves will also be blocked by TSB, as they where with the 4 juubidama's. whether those where senjutsu or not, they still made shockwaves which did nothing to the shield, and neither would a mountain falling on it.

2: Madara chooses to fight in madaras style, which doesnt involve flying.

3: and madara cannot control a meteor to the point it kills obito, but not him. CT can be controlled, but doing so basically turns them into a huge flying rock, rather than a falling meteor of destruction. madara cannot pinpoint obito (if we can even call dropping a mountain on someone pinpointing) without killing himself. he has never shown the ability to actually controll the trajectory of his meteors, and he only used them when he knew he would be able to survive them

4: TSBs destroy meteors, because they fall in the massive category of things that are not senjutsu based, and therefore are destroyed by contact. TSB's also destroy V4 susanoo, because no they dont, if we assume madara can get his susanoo with senjutsu.

this has basically devolved into "no, CT wouldnt work", "yes it would", "no it wouldnt", "yes it would", "nope", "yup", "nope", "yup", "nope".


as for "my idiot brother is an idiot" that is what happens when 2 people with differing opinions on arguing about who would win in a fight have one account.

1. Wrong Wrong Wrong. Explained multiple times. They have to have the POWER to obliterate the Meteor and they don't. That's one thing you haven't shown me. So please don't expect another reply on this point unless you prove that Gudo Dama's disintegration factor has the power to obliterate CT. The whole flight thing is irrelevant, and Bijuu Dama makes no shockwave, and even if it did, it'd be on the outskirts of the explosion not the center, where Obito was..

2. Madara flew when he had access to flight, and he flew when he needed to fly. So now we have you:

-Ignoring evidence.
-Repeating defeated claims.
-Saying Madara won't do something because you know it counters everything in your post.

3. Based on literally nothing. I've already explained why he can control his CT and I've explained why Obito doesn't dodge and I've explained why Madara doesn't get hit.

4. No, they don't. Not until you prove 99% of the BS you are claiming. When you prove:

-It has the power to do so.
-It can negate them despite it only being able to negate NINJUTSU, not physical attacks.


And yes, the one arguing with me right now is an idiot. That's the only thing I can agree on. Don't expect another reply unless you post something that hasn't been countered.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

TSBS DESTROY EVERYTHING EXCEPT SENJUTSU. THAT IS A FACT. as for me being unable to provide a post of something that didnt happen in the manga? aside from the many scans i gave to support me that you ignored, please post a scan of MADARA flying with deva path, or making his meteors home in on something

sure, they might not destroy the entire meteor, but they will definitely stop it from killing obito.

the only things shown to break TSB's where backed up by senjutsu. gai only broke madaras shield because he kicked madara through it, and every other time TSB's have been beaten it was by senjustu. sheer physical force will not work, not even if madara dropped a thousand meteors. (which he cant)

as this is not going to be an insanely long range fight, and as madaras meteors are mountain dwarfingly huge, madara cant get away from his own meteors shockwave.


this whole argument boils down to "can TSB's destroy physical objects?" Make a thread in the main thing to see what people think, and after everyone agrees with me, admit defeat.


Ps - Dwarfingly is a word now.

 

[KidGamer65]

TSBS DESTROY EVERYTHING EXCEPT SENJUTSU. THAT IS A FACT. as for me being unable to provide a post of something that didnt happen in the manga? aside from the many scans i gave to support me that you ignored, please post a scan of MADARA flying with deva path, or making his meteors home in on something

sure, they might not destroy the entire meteor, but they will definitely stop it from killing obito.

the only things shown to break TSB's where backed up by senjutsu. gai only broke madaras shield because he kicked madara through it, and every other time TSB's have been beaten it was by senjustu. sheer physical force will not work, not even if madara dropped a thousand meteors. (which he cant)

as this is not going to be an insanely long range fight, and as madaras meteors are mountain dwarfingly huge, madara cant get away from his own meteors shockwave.


this whole argument boils down to "can TSB's destroy physical objects?" Make a thread in the main thing to see what people think, and after everyone agrees with me, admit defeat.


Ps - Dwarfingly is a word now.

I literally posted a page of him saying that they NEGATE NINJUTSU. They have a disintegration factor (also stated in the Manga) but there is no evidence that this disintegration factor is capable of obliterating the meteor.

:lol No, they won't.

Wrong. Kicking Madara through it is sheer physical force. The rest is a baseless assumption.

If he's in the air its completely irrelevant.

The fact that you think NB of all places agreeing with you makes you right when the Manga written by the author himself says you are wrong is enough reason for me not to take you seriously. I'm done.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

I literally posted a page of him saying that they NEGATE NINJUTSU. They have a disintegration factor (also stated in the Manga) but there is no evidence that this disintegration factor is capable of obliterating the meteor.

:lol No, they won't.

Wrong. Kicking Madara through it is sheer physical force. The rest is a baseless assumption.

If he's in the air its completely irrelevant.

The fact that you think NB of all places agreeing with you makes you right when the Manga written by the author himself says you are wrong is enough reason for me not to take you seriously. I'm done.

this manga has had inaccurate descriptions before. one person claiming that they negate ninjutus doesnt cancel the fact that they can destroy physical objects, and have.

yes they will, TSB's are indestructable to non senjutsu based attacks

madara as a JJ has senjutsu chakra. people with senjutsu chakra are not canceled by contact with TSBs. had gai kicked the shield strait on, he would have died and done no damage, but by kicking it through madara he never made physical contact with it, instead forcing a senjutsu filled madara through it, and could break it. meteors have no senjutsu, so no meteor is getting through the tsb's.

and obito can be in the air as well, so madara has just wasted his time

character in manga =/= official kishi. people in the manga can be wrong.



i notice you ignored my request for evidence madara can fly and move his CT's. as you have said that you are done, i win. game over. lol.

 

[TRE MERCER]

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