What if sasuke go back in time by some method to stop the uchiha massacre.

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Yes it would change a lot becuz the whole clan might get butthurt.

We could have 1,000 indras

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You realize you are talking about probably the strongest ninja of all time here. :lol

Multiply that by 1000, the Naruto verse is doomed, although each one of them would want to fight solo so they will end up killing each other as well.

 

[Liquid Snake]

It proves thethe prophecy which u were referring to wrong :| and u saying that Sasuke going off track doesn't effect Naruto is like u denying a portion of Naruto's entire character. :| tbh Naruto and Sasuke would have no reason to even become friends without the massacre. What made them take notice of each other b4 was that they were both alone. If Sasuke has family that ceases to b true

That might cease to be true but then Naruto would have another reason to avenge minato and Naruto would still need the power eventually and there still has to be an Indra so it would have been another uchiha if not sasuke

 

[lndra]

The Senju are the strongest of their time, but where the hell did they go? Seems like a nerf in the series considering if the Uchiha continued to plan a coup, the Senju would of killed them all instead of Itachi.

I think they mysteriously disappeared because of plot :lol

 

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The Senju are the strongest of their time, but where the hell did they go? Seems like a nerf in the series considering if the Uchiha continued to plan a coup, the Senju would of killed them all instead of Itachi.

I think they mysteriously disappeared because of plot :lol

Are they really the strongest though? Where they at? Killed by the Uchiha maybe? :Sparks:

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

Literally too much butthurt for 1 ninja world.

If Sasuke did that means he's evil and forgot to take his revolution medicine. Uchiha were going to war no matter what. Sasuke fights with them or against.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

Are they really the strongest though? Where they at? Killed by the Uchiha maybe? :Sparks:

*insert scan about Uchiha defectors joining the Senju*

 

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*insert scan about Uchiha defectors joining the Senju*

That only further promotes that theory. :Sparks:

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

That only further promotes that theory. :Sparks:

That the Senju were so strong that the Uchiha just surrendered and betrayed their own clan? I agree :Sparks:

Hashi alone negs the clan and then extremely high diffs Madz.

 

[lndra]

Are they really the strongest though? Where they at? Killed by the Uchiha maybe? :Sparks:

It was stated that the Senju were stronger than the Uchiha somewhere in the Manga, and in the DB

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Nope after the Senju beat the Uchiha into submission, they joined forces. Afterwards the Senju mysteriously disappeared from plot only leaving Tsunade and Naruto behind as the sole clan members (Saying Naruto because the Uzumaki clan are related to them by blood). If there entire clan was alive the Uchiha would have been placed into their rightful places and Itachi wouldn't need to sacrifrice his entire life for this, and Sasuke wouldn't need to have walk this path.

I'm not sure what course of action they would of taken but I know for certain the Uchiha can't overpower the Leaf Village if Senju Clan were still imminent. Meaning it would of been stopped and they would have been detained, or the Senju would of killed the Clan Leaders.

 

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That the Senju were so strong that the Uchiha just surrendered and betrayed their own clan? I agree :Sparks:

Hashi alone negs the clan and then extremely high diffs Madz.

Nope, you know what theory I'm talking about. :Sparks:

The Senju mysteriously dissapeared, their only match were the Uchiha, what you are saying means that they could have been exterminated from the inside.

 

[Blackzoro]

Itachi still negs

 

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It was stated that the Senju were stronger than the Uchiha somewhere in the Manga, and in the DB

I don't remember it being stated in the manga, they were stated to be equal, constantly killing each other. Hashirama given the Hokage seat made some Uchiha follow him which only helped fuel Madara's incentive to leave. Without their leader, the Uchiha were obviously at a disadvantage.

Nope after the Senju beat the Uchiha into submission, they joined forces. Afterwards the Senju mysteriously disappeared from plot only leaving Tsunade and Naruto behind as the sole clan members (Saying Naruto because the Uzumaki clan are related to them by blood). If there entire clan was alive the Uchiha would have been placed into their rightful places and Itachi wouldn't need to sacrifrice his entire life for this, and Sasuke wouldn't need to have walk this path.

I'm not sure what course of action they would of taken but I know for certain the Uchiha can't overpower the Leaf Village if Senju Clan were still imminent. Meaning it would of been stopped and they would have been detained, or the Senju would of killed the Clan Leaders.

@Bold: Exactly. :Sparks:

Those Uchiha though. :Sparks:

 

[lndra]

I don't remember it being stated in the manga, they were stated to be equal, constantly killing each other. Hashirama given Hokage seat made some Uchiha follow him which only helped fuel Madara's incentive to leave. Without their leader, the Uchiha were obviously at a disadvantage.

I just showed you were it was stated that they were stronger than the Uchiha in the Manga. Somewhere between Hashirama's rule, the Senju clearly outclassed the Uchiha and beated them. Enough times where Clan's began to pick the Senju when the Uchiha came to the battlefield.

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Lastly, the Data Book lists the Senju as the most powerful clan during the feudal period. Meaning they are literally the strongest clan in existence during that period of time.

I can look for more panels and Data book pages if you want. I'm sure there's more because I remember seeing it lol.

@Bold: Exactly. :Sparks:

That Kishimoto :Sparks:

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[ANiMUS]

That might cease to be true but then Naruto would have another reason to avenge minato and Naruto would still need the power eventually and there still has to be an Indra so it would have been another uchiha if not sasuke

Avenging parents=rage and malice would make Naruto unable to tame the kyuubi :bdpf:

 

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I just showed you were it was stated that they were stronger than the Uchiha in the Manga. Somewhere between Hashirama's rule, the Senju clearly outclassed the Uchiha and beated them. Enough times where Clan's began to pick the Senju when the Uchiha came to the battlefield.

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Lastly, the Data Book lists the Senju as the most powerful clan during the feudal period. Meaning they are literally the strongest clan in existence during that period of time.

I can look for more panels and Data book pages if you want. I'm sure there's more because I remember seeing it lol.

Fixed.

No that panel makes it very clear thanks.

It still seems like the average Senju beats the average Uchiha, (they probably have very good cooperation due to being Ashura's descendants as well). However, the Uchiha have the bigger potential as individuals, (which makes sense being Indra's descendants). If they managed to have their eye powers evolve beyond 3T, they become the strongest.

We've only seen this from Madara, Obito, Shisui, Itachi, and Sasuke. And if they were all in the same Era and fought together, no one can stop them.

Also keep in mind what the latest content tells us about the Uchiha, although I would take Hashirama's word over Mitsuki's but still.

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[lndra]

No that panel makes it very clear thanks.

It still seems like the average Senju beats the average Uchiha, (they probably have very good cooperation due to being Ashura's descendants as well). However, the Uchiha have the bigger potential as individuals, (which makes sense being Indra's descendants). If they managed to have their eye powers evolve beyond 3T, they become the strongest.

We've only seen this from Madara, Obito, Shisui, Itachi, and Sasuke. And if they were all in the same Era and fought together, no one can stop them.

I think it was stated that many Uchiha attempted at upgrading their eyes, to even the point where they killed their own; brothers, team mates, and family members. There were even a lot of failed attempts at trying to achieve EMS since they weren't Indra transmigrants. So I don't have any doubt in my mind that the Uchiha fought with MS against the Senju.

The thing about the Senju is, there are only two known male members of the group (as in being showcased for a long enough time); Hashirama and Tobirama. Hashirama was pretty much unrivaled in his time, and Madara could only match his power with Kurama, and even then his power was still overwhelming.

Tobirama was powerful, not on Madara/Hashirama's scale that's for sure. But he was at least capable of killing Izuna who was an MS user as well. Not even looking at his abilities as an Kage, it's obvious he can kill above average Uchiha.

Tsunade is also a strong Senju who showcased her worth against Madara in the War. But sadly these are the only three examples we have, and Naruto.

The biggest problem with the Senju clan is that:

I. They don't have a KKG
II. It's not explained how the clan fights when they don't have any known distinct powers and abilities
III. They have large masses, but only a handful were showcased.

The DataBook even shows a Senju woman who fought alongside Hashirama and her speciality was Genjutsu. So I can only assume that the clan was extremely diversified in every category of Ninjutsu, Taijutsu, Genjutsu, Kenjutsu, and Iryojutsu.

Not to mention the branch of the Senju Clan, the Uzumaki who were destroyed because people began to fear their abilities so they banded together to annihilate them.

Senju were literally thrown away from plot because Kishimoto is a lazy writer :lol

 

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I think it was stated that many Uchiha attempted at upgrading their eyes, to even the point where they killed their own; brothers, team mates, and family members. There were even a lot of failed attempts at trying to achieve EMS since they weren't Indra transmigrants. So I don't have any doubt in my mind that the Uchiha fought with MS against the Senju.

The thing about the Senju is, there are only two known male members of the group (as in being showcased for a long enough time); Hashirama and Tobirama. Hashirama was pretty much unrivaled in his time, and Madara could only match his power with Kurama, and even then his power was still overwhelming.

Tobirama was powerful, not on Madara/Hashirama's scale that's for sure. But he was at least capable of killing Izuna who was an MS user as well. Not even looking at his abilities as an Kage, it's obvious he can kill above average Uchiha.

Tsunade is also a strong Senju who showcased her worth against Madara in the War. But sadly these are the only three examples we have, and Naruto.

The biggest problem with the Senju clan is that:

I. They don't have a KKG
II. It's not explained how the clan fights when they don't have any known distinct powers and abilities
III. They have large masses, but only a handful were showcased.

The DataBook even shows a Senju woman who fought alongside Hashirama and her speciality was Genjutsu. So I can only assume that the clan was extremely diversified in every category of Ninjutsu, Taijutsu, Genjutsu, Kenjutsu, and Iryojutsu.

Not to mention the branch of the Senju Clan, the Uzumaki who were destroyed because people began to fear their abilities so they banded together to annihilate them.

Senju were literally thrown away from plot because Kishimoto is a lazy writer :lol

Oh yea I forgot about Izuna, I still stand by my earlier analysis, which doesn't contradict what you are saying. They each have their strong points but the Uchiha fell in the end, (probably due to cooperation vs individuality). Also I edited my last post and included a new scan, it only further adds to the dilemma and fuels one argument.

 

[lndra]

Oh yea I forgot about Izuna, I still stand by my earlier analysis, which doesn't contradict what you are saying. They each have their strong points but the Uchiha fell in the end, (probably due to cooperation vs individuality). Also I edited my last post and included a new scan, it only further adds to the dilemma and fuels one argument.

That One-Shot isn't canon. The descriptions are from Mitsuki who just filtered a large amount of 'good information' to make everyone seem extremely different. Hell I remember it said; Sakura was Tsunade's only disciple, despite Shizune being by Tsunade's side for years, Hinata shook the world with her "Jyuken" :lol, and more lame crap that wasn't needed.

Funny how the series went from the hard work archetype, to "powerful genes". Shows how this series turned out in the end.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

He knows the death of that butthurt clan is in the world's best interests.

The Shinobi world was in a cycle of revenge/hatred for a long time. Many people everywhere, hence the constant fighting, multiple world wars, etc. It's just that the Uchiha were far above the norm, and were the best along with the Senju. They had the power to be able to do things others could not, hence Obito/Madara capture, and controlling Bijuu.

In fact without the Uchiha, there's no telling how long everyone would have been fighting amongst each other, cause due to the Akatsuki, The Five Great Shinobi Nations teamed up for the first time in history, and finally learned how to get along with one another.

That comradeship was maintained after the war. Without this war they would have continued to oppose one another.

 

[Liquid Snake]

Avenging parents=rage and malice would make Naruto unable to tame the kyuubi :bdpf:

Avenging parents could be his motivation to start training to master the kyuubi but remember minatos and kushinas chakra was inside the seal they could have made him be at peace and there's still Jiraiya who wanted peace too he also changed Naruto it's other ways