Danzo vs 3T Itachi

[DrProof]

gotta say the doc's post has me convinced.

It's actually really simple. I don't know how there's any doubts, or misconceptions regarding the clone explosion. Lol.

 

[Haizaki]

In the tabs above, I explained how Clones, and Crow Clones are nothing, but Itachi's chakra - Clone Explosion is applicable to Crow Clones.

I read it now but I don't see how that debunks the fact that they are still summonings used to make the clone? Itachi inserts his chakra into them no doubt but they still have that time limit correct? They should still do. Assuming this a fresh matchup, Itachi shouldn't have any pre-setup crow before hand. He'll have to summon them like here :

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.Plus the one against Naruto you showed which was this

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wasn't the real Itachi but a clone which also contained the crows before hand and the other scan you showed us occurred in a Genjutsu.

When the real Itachi showed us, it was a summoning technique so even if it has it's chakra used to make the clones, would that change it from having it's limit as a summon? As for the Explosion aspect, Itachi only showed to incorporate that with his Shadow clone and not the Crow. I read what you said.

Think about this, if Itachi could use it with Crow clones which require less chakra, why would he go ahead to use it with Shadow clones which take more?

They will catch him. Crow Clones are summoned instantaneous - You can't perceive instant movements. Danzo would be bombarded by Clone Explosions due to his inability to perceive.

Kakashi did evade it and anticipate it with the 3T in Pt1 where he implied he wasn't in good shape let alone Danzo with the MS who can also regenerate. I already explained what happens as well.

What does Danzo have on Itachi? This is 10 minutes of childs play Lol.

Well Danzo has Izanagi which caught Sasuke from his blindspot several times had not been for Karin and Susanoo plus has large scale Wind style Jutsus which can take out some of Itachi's clone. I just think Itachi without Susanoo and Izanami would be defeated.

How do you think he wins though?

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

Absurd...First the flying thunder crow, and now this? lol


Anyways Danzo should take this, but Itachi has his chances for sure.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Lol Flying Thunder Crow. I actually miss that nonsense.

 

[Haizaki]

Lol Flying Thunder Crow. I actually miss that nonsense.

What's that?

 

[Zexion~]

Not even close.

:lol? So Itachi being worked hard by Sasuke is > Then Danzo equally matching Sasuke?

Don't care if he was sick, doubt he was holding back.

His edo feats don't mean much as he was just countering a KCM Naruto in CQC, meanwhile ambushing him while he was trying to speak to Itachi isn't a good feat either.

Idk how you guys aren't understand Crow Clones, and regular clones don't matter. They're both imbued with chakra - The detonator of the initial explosion. Read the tabs in my previous post thoroughly.

Crow Clones, and Regular Clone explosions are TWO separate applications. Crow Clones are instantaneous in summoning speed meaning perception (which is what Kakashi did vs a regular clone), won't, and can't be done here.

This is why Crow Clones destroy Danzo.

Yeah, chakra is imbued in the crows already to form the clone.

A human-shaped servant is created for get-togethers, inheriting his master's powers!!

A technique that produces a clone by projecting one's own chakra towards dozens of "crows". Because it uses crows as an medium, it requires less chakra then the normal "Shadow Clone Technique," while still being able to perform techniques.

[picture of Sasuke being surrounded by the crows from Itachi's Crow Clone]
→↓The dozens of crows come together to form the body of a clone. When the chakra projected by the user is severed, the crows disperse.
[picture of Itachi's Crow Clone flying apart in front of Naruto]

Adding the chakra needed for explosion would disrupt the already present chakra needed to project the clone at all, and the clone would fade. Hence why its really only convient to use with Genjutsu because of its instantaneous speed, hell one could even say that its not instant the genjutsu just masks the creation.

 

[DrProof]

Absurd...First the flying thunder crow, and now this? lol


Anyways Danzo should take this, but Itachi has his chances for sure.

You of all people shouldn't be talking about absurdities.

 

[Unorthodox]

Itach wins same with hebi sasuke

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Well Danzo has Izanagi which caught Sasuke from his blindspot several times had not been for Karin and Susanoo plus has large scale Wind style Jutsus which can take out some of Itachi's clone. I just think Itachi without Susanoo and Izanami would be defeated.

How do you think he wins though?

Intel is full so Izanagi will never catch Itachi off guard, especially given his

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. Danzou's fuuton is all evaded just like how Sasuke had little trouble doing; or copied by Itachi's sharingan (given his wind affinity) and countered - possibly in combination with his Katon as well. Itachi's shunshin speed is susano'o arrow speed, which Danzou had lots of trouble reacting to. Not even mentioning bunshins, crows, and his shurikenjutsu.. Itachi should have no problem outlasting 10 minutes of Izanagi and finishing off Danzou afterwards.

 

[Haizaki]

Intel is full so Izanagi will never catch Itachi off guard, especially given his

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. Danzou's fuuton is all evaded just like how Sasuke had little trouble doing; or copied by Itachi's sharingan (given his wind affinity) and countered - possibly in combination with his Katon as well. Itachi's shunshin speed is susano'o arrow speed, which Danzou had lots of trouble reacting to. Not even mentioning bunshins, crows, and his shurikenjutsu.. Itachi should have no problem outlasting 10 minutes of Izanagi and finishing off Danzou afterwards.

Point with the perception and intel bit. Guess Itachi could really pull of a win if he's on his toes. Though 2 things I disagree with here:

- The Fuuton aspect...The large scale ones were blocked with Susanoo. Itachi can dodge that but his clones? Most likely not? so that means Itachi would further waste chakra creating more. He has the affinity but he won't be able to copy it since he doesn't from our knowledge posses the necessary skill considering we don't have an idea of his Fuuton prowess.

- Danzo can use Baku as a distraction then attack with his large scale Fuuton like he did to Sasuke. While they're distracted or unable to move well. Itachi can counter with Katon no doubt but his unstable movement would make it harder unlike Sasuke who had Susanoo to strengthen his footing leaving at least an opening for Danzo to strike.

- Why did you conclude his Shunshin is Susano'o arrow speed? That would be suggesting Kakashi(Who should be around his level) would be unable to physically react to him. Sasuke could physically react to his speed despite him having the head start(right to left)

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. Meanwhile Danzo could react to MS Sasuke who isn't far from Itachi in terms of speed.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

- The Fuuton aspect...The large scale ones were blocked with Susanoo. Itachi can dodge that but his clones? Most likely not? so that means Itachi would further waste chakra creating more. He has the affinity but he won't be able to copy it since he doesn't from our knowledge posses the necessary skill considering we don't have an idea on his Fuuton prowess.

Link me. Doesn't mean they can't be countered by any other means other then Susano'o. Not too sure why even the clones can't counter with Katon, which is the elemental advantage. Shikamaru, Chouji, and Ino had no skill in Doton, yet were capable of using it in the war after copying the seals. Itachi on the other hand is very skilled in ninjutsu, given a 5/5 in the DB, mastered the fire element at any extremely young age, and even Kabuto implied

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that Itachi had an abundance of ninjutsu in his arsenal. No reason to believe he couldn't copy B-rank Fuuton techniques.

- Danzo can use Baku as a distraction then attack with his large scale Fuuton like he did to Sasuke. While they're distracted or unable to move well. Itachi can counter with Katon no doubt but his unstable movement would make it harder unlike Sasuke who had Susanoo to strengthen his footing leaving at least an opening for Danzo to strike.

With full intel, Itachi can simply shunshin directly under Baku as soon as it's summoned, giving him shelter from Baku's suction. This can be incorprated with a clone feint as well. Baku iniates his suction towards the clone, while the real Itachi is directly under Baku to fire a point blank Katon into his mouth.

- Why did you conclude his Shunshin is Susano'o arrow speed? That would be suggesting Kakashi(Who should be around his level) would be unable to physically react to him. Sasuke could physically react to his speed despite him having the head start(right to left)

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. Meanwhile Danzo could react to MS Sasuke who isn't far from Itachi in terms of speed.

When Itachi was healthy back in part one, he was portrayed to be well above Kakashi. This should of carried on as the manga progressed, but Itachi got sick and died. When being brought back as an Edo, Itachi showcased feats that he should of been capable of back when he died, if it wasn't for his terminal illness. Feats that put his shunshin in that category of speed.

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Itachi's shunshin speed is so near instantaneous that Nagato didn't even have the time to realize his shared vision was blocked. As shown in the manga panel below, Nagato instantly see's exactly what his other set of eyes see via shared vision. They tracked Bee, and thus, Nagato immediately saw him coming from above as well, and countered accordingly.

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The very moment Itachi's kunai made contact with Nagato's summons to block the shared vision, Itachi shunshin'd from where he was concealing himself (within the forest) and caught Nagato completely by surprise [

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] before he even realized his shared vision had been

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. The time between the kunai's landing on the summons eyes, and Itachi shunshin'ing (with susano'o activated) as he ripped through Asura Path had to be split second timing, considering Nagato was not even given the chance to show a reaction to his vision being blocked.

Secondly, Itachi's shunshin is nigh susano'o arrow speed. We both know that DSM Kabuto has top tier perception and reaction. He was very easily able to avoid Sasuke's susano'o the first time around [

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]. However, with a

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, Sasuke was able to nail Kabuto the second time [

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]. A very comparable scenario to what Itachi did to Kabuto [

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]-[

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] immediately after. Thus, Itachi's shunshin speed is very easily around susano'o arrow speed - which the likes of

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and

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couldn't even properly react to.

 

[Zexion~]

I guess Itachi can instablitz anyone under war-arc Kakashi's reflexes and speed :lol

A bit of time went by before Itachi appeared to save Bee and Naruto also.

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

You of all people shouldn't be talking about absurdities.

Me of all people? Lol I have no name and barely exist here, I'm flattered anyone here takes anything I say seriously. Chillax bro, need a pad?

 

[Curse Mark]

Me of all people? Lol I have no name and barely exist here, I'm flattered anyone here takes anything I say seriously. Chillax bro, need a pad?

lets not start another flame thread

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

lets not start another flame thread

Another ? Lol

But yes, let us not *_*

 

[Curse Mark]

Another ? Lol

But yes, let us not *_*

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Read the last few pages lmao

 

[EZQ]

Itach wins same with hebi sasuke

Hebi Sasuke beating Danzo?

I think we have a match up for our debate.

 

[Unorthodox]

Hebi Sasuke beating Danzo?

I think we have a match up for our debate.

Come get some boy!

 

[Haizaki]

Link me. Doesn't mean they can't be countered by any other means other then Susano'o. Not too sure why even the clones can't counter with Katon, which is the elemental advantage. Shikamaru, Chouji, and Ino had no skill in Doton, yet were capable of using it in the war after copying the seals. Itachi on the other hand is very skilled in ninjutsu, given a 5/5 in the DB, mastered the fire element at any extremely young age, and even Kabuto implied

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that Itachi had an abundance of ninjutsu in his arsenal. No reason to believe he couldn't copy B-rank Fuuton techniques.

No I'm not necessarily saying it can't be dodged without it, I'm just putting emphasis on the scale which I do think would be hard for the clones especially

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,

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. Danzo used a supposedly weaker variant of the one in the first scan to wipe out most likely 17 Anbu members at once from his calculation here

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. That's pretty tough to dodge and imagine a case where Danzo for example gets hit and respawns, he'll immediately have the Jutsu prepared so to counter with a Katon is highly unlikely. This is what I mean

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but in this case, he can use one of those ones that don't require a hand seals like against Susano'o making it hard to counter with Katon.

Yes but that's not necessarily enough to believe he possesses the necessary skill though . Shikamaru himself possessed the skill to a certain extent..For example, He say it here "A simple Doton skill" " Even what people outside the Rock can do" It's weak and basic technique hence why Shikamaru opted for it

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. Just like for everyone else because your skill with the nature transformation is what determines the level of Jutsu you can use. You might have the affinity, but your usage of it might be weak.

Itachi might be good at it but we have close to no evidence when it comes to determining his skill with Fuuton. Especially the one's that are capable of damaging and restricting Susano's movements. Which is why we can't assume much without knowledge on his skill in that aspect. Like Sasuke knew the seals and had the firestyle affinity even after being taught

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but still didn't have the necessary skill yet to use it ("You haven't reached his level" and you can see how weak it is)

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If Itachi had shown us this nature to a certain degree, then I'd agree with you no doubt.

With full intel, Itachi can simply shunshin directly under Baku as soon as it's summoned, giving him shelter from Baku's suction. This can be incorprated with a clone feint as well. Baku iniates his suction towards the clone, while the real Itachi is directly under Baku to fire a point blank Katon into his mouth.

Good point...Though won't that also mean he's left vulnerable when using the Katon against Baku? Danzo can capitalize on that since he himself can see what's happening. With full intel and preparation on what's happening.

When Itachi was healthy back in part one, he was portrayed to be well above Kakashi. This should of carried on as the manga progressed, but Itachi got sick and died. When being brought back as an Edo, Itachi showcased feats that he should of been capable of back when he died, if it wasn't for his terminal illness. Feats that put his shunshin in that category of speed.

True but remember Kakashi in part 1 was in such a bad shape that he commented saying this after his encounter with Part 1 Kabuto

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. Kakashi in part 2 drastically improved and even Itachi warned Kisame about him in part 1 that the outcome if they fought would not be without cost(Itachi and Kisame are not to far off individuals)..His 50 % clone could shadow clone which is inferior to the real could physically react to beginning of PT2 Itachi

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. Kakashi could hold his own alongside Gai against V2 Jins for a period. I just don't see it being that much of a difference..Especially to the extent where he won't be able to react physically.

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Itachi's shunshin speed is so near instantaneous that Nagato didn't even have the time to realize his shared vision was blocked. As shown in the manga panel below, Nagato instantly see's exactly what his other set of eyes see via shared vision. They tracked Bee, and thus, Nagato immediately saw him coming from above as well, and countered accordingly.

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The very moment Itachi's kunai made contact with Nagato's summons to block the shared vision, Itachi shunshin'd from where he was concealing himself (within the forest) and caught Nagato completely by surprise [

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] before he even realized his shared vision had been

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. The time between the kunai's landing on the summons eyes, and Itachi shunshin'ing (with susano'o activated) as he ripped through Asura Path had to be split second timing, considering Nagato was not even given the chance to show a reaction to his vision being blocked.

Secondly, Itachi's shunshin is nigh susano'o arrow speed. We both know that DSM Kabuto has top tier perception and reaction. He was very easily able to avoid Sasuke's susano'o the first time around [

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]. However, with a

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, Sasuke was able to nail Kabuto the second time [

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]. A very comparable scenario to what Itachi did to Kabuto [

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]-[

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] immediately after. Thus, Itachi's shunshin speed is very easily around susano'o arrow speed - which the likes of

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and

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couldn't even properly react to.

The Nagato one is pretty good..I can agree with the whole speed feat he showed. As for Nagato not noticing, isn't that because Itachi hit the eyes from their blindspots like Kabuto said? B's coming was noticed ( Which could have been as a result of his sword sound indicated by the bubble speech here

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) but Itachi seemed to have attacked them from a point where they couldn't see at all. What necessarily makes this feat very good is the fact that he couldn't see but not noticing could have been due to his massive focus on both Naruto and Killer B. Think about it like this, Nagato is a sensor..Why didn't he sense Itachi too? Most likely due to being distracted because Kabuto wanted those Jins before Obito did. Though no doubt it's a good feat overall...It's just different to B's case a bit.


@DSM Kabuto point..I sorta disagree. Kabuto evaded the arrow the first time correct? Distracted the second time and it hit him. I don't think Itachi successfully attacking a distracted Kabuto would mean his speed is Susanoo arrow because in both cases, a distraction gave them the opening. Both failing and succeeding won't mean they're the same or so...Just like how both Kakashi and Danzo couldn't physically react to the arrow but we know Kakashi trumps him in this aspect, just like how both Juubito and V2 Ay can physically react to Amaterasu but we know there's a clear superiority between those 2. They capitalized on Kabuto being distracted.

Another thing is this, where was Itachi's position before he attacked Kabuto? I think it should also be taken into consideration too.

 

[Gold Lightning]

What's that?

Seriously, you weren't here during the whole FTC plague XD. Well basically it's when itachi fooled kabuto with his crow clone and then sliced off his horn.
A bunch of itachi fans labelled it as FTC, saying it's better than FTG and blah blah. I can't remember all the details, it was a while ago.