DRSM Madara vs Six Paths Naruto

[TheSages456]

The VoTe2 explosion didn't have enough AoE to engulf a mountain unlike a regular Bijuu Dama, but again your clearly only have like 3 brain cells. Unless you're referring to the shock wave is sent out after which Dwarfs anything Madara and Hashirama did. But I'm clearly wasting my time here, you're as delusional as Madara Rules is in your sig.

Um, i think my ignore list would be a good place for you. There is no way anyone could claim the bold while being serious.

 

[BLAZE]

Naruto eats him

 

[lanakui8]

Looking at the explosion of narutos bijudama during VOTE 2 compared to the explosion that madaras PS protected him from during VOTE 1, naruto cannot outright destroy PS without the asura avatar and mass natural energy. Assuming that naruto can pull it off he wins guaranteed.

Sasuke's PS and RSM Naruto's avatar are incomparably more durable than the juubi and by extension Madara's PS. The juubi's tails get

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while the tails of Naruto's RSM avatar can withstand

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, hits that are so powerful they can easily cut through the super durable chibaku tenseis that were as large as

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And then the juubi is incomparably more durable than Madara's PS as it withstood

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with only minor damages while Madara's PS was destroyed by a blast that was incomparably smaller.

Next, it's completely fallacious to compare the size of the explosion of Madara and hashirama's clash to the explosion of Naruto and sasuke's attack as Hashirama and Madara's attack isn't a fireball or ball of destruction like Naruto and Sasuke's, it's just a giant cloud of dust and debri which is far larger than the actual explosion that caused it much like how a FRS isn't on the same level as a bijuudama despite

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In addition to that, Madara's PS was only hit by half of that explosion as the bijuudamas he was firing were exploding

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.

Finally, even if that weren't the case, we know that each of madara's meteors are as big as the crater beneath the shinjuu, and a single bijuudama rasenshuriken is

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and potent enough to completely disintigrate whatever part of the meteor it comes into contact with, while the crater below the shinjuu is much larger than the explosion that hashirama and madara's VoTe clash made considerng how

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So in conclusion, a single bijuudama or bijuu rasenshuriken spells unavoidable death for EMS Madara's PS. Assuming rinnegan madara's PS is the same as his edo version, that too is annihilated easily as it couldn't even overpower a single mokujin, something that can't even withstand a normal bijuudama from the kyuubi.

Madara needs to be a juubi jin with both eyes in order to not get stomped.

 

[Xlad]

Sasuke's PS and RSM Naruto's avatar are incomparably more durable than the juubi and by extension Madara's PS. The juubi's tails get

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while the tails of Naruto's RSM avatar can withstand

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, hits that are so powerful they can easily cut through the super durable chibaku tenseis that were as large as

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And then the juubi is incomparably more durable than Madara's PS as it withstood

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with only minor damages while Madara's PS was destroyed by a blast that was incomparably smaller.

Next, it's completely fallacious to compare the size of the explosion of Madara and hashirama's clash to the explosion of Naruto and sasuke's attack as Hashirama and Madara's attack isn't a fireball or ball of destruction like Naruto and Sasuke's, it's just a giant cloud of dust and debri which is far larger than the actual explosion that caused it much like how a FRS isn't on the same level as a bijuudama despite

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In addition to that, Madara's PS was only hit by half of that explosion as the bijuudamas he was firing were exploding

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.

Finally, even if that weren't the case, we know that each of madara's meteors are as big as the crater beneath the shinjuu, and a single bijuudama rasenshuriken is

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and potent enough to completely disintigrate whatever part of the meteor it comes into contact with, while the crater below the shinjuu is much larger than the explosion that hashirama and madara's VoTe clash made considerng how

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So in conclusion, a single bijuudama or bijuu rasenshuriken spells unavoidable death for EMS Madara's PS. Assuming rinnegan madara's PS is the same as his edo version, that too is annihilated easily as it couldn't even overpower a single mokujin, something that can't even withstand a normal bijuudama from the kyuubi.

Madara needs to be a juubi jin with both eyes in order to not get stomped.

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[Nagato The Sage]

I really don't see Naruto standing much of a chance without the avatar

- Madara has Hagoromo's chakra as well, along with Hashirama's SM. So chakra strength should be about on par, despite Naruto having more
- TBB FRS definately isn't in escape death. Sasuke's PS withstood it, and as stated above chakra strength should be in the same ballpark.
-Shadow Clones are dealt with by Limbo and Wood Clones with Susano'O
-Naruto doesn't have anything that can battle PS without the avatar
- Madara should be able to restrain him
- Other Ninjutsu is countered by Preta
- Anytime Naruto gets close, Madara can steal Naruto's Cloak & Chakra. Also adding more chakra to his own pool

 

[lanakui8]

I really don't see Naruto standing much of a chance without the avatar

- Madara has Hagoromo's chakra as well, along with Hashirama's SM. So chakra strength should be about on par, despite Naruto having more

Madara doesn't have hagoromo's rikudou senjutsu, that's something he only gained once he became the juubi jin which is why Sasuke doesn't have it

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Plus, this A>B>C logic doesn't work since 1 eye'd juubi jinchuriki madara (someone who had more rikudou senjutsu than naruto, hashirama's SM, and the rinnegan) was getting wrecked by naruto before Naruto even used RSM.

- TBB FRS definately isn't in escape death. Sasuke's PS withstood it, and as stated above chakra strength should be in the same ballpark.

Sasuke's PS never took TBB FRS, that was Sasuke's 8.5 bijuu + PS fusion avatar. His actual PS got its arm erased by a RSM bijuudama, something that's not on the same level as a RSM bijuudama rasenshuriken.

Plus, why is Madara's PS being equaled to Sasuke's PS? Madara's PS isn't powered by the 9 tomoe rinnegan, neither is it powered by Hagoromo's Yin chakra, nor does it have the feats that suggest it's on par with Sasuke's.

-Shadow Clones are dealt with by Limbo and Wood Clones with Susano'O

since when can limbo clones even use ninjutsu? Naruto's clones have shown the ability to use bijuu rasenshuriken, and can physically fight on par with double rinnegan juubi jin madara's limbo clones despite not being able to see them, how in the world do an incomparably inferior version of madara's limbos or wood clones last a second against opponents who are incomparably faster, stronger, more durable, reflexive, and can fire off attacks as powerful as

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-Naruto doesn't have anything that can battle PS without the avatar

Kaguya destroyed Sasuke's PS with mere

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Naruto's chakra punches

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and why can't naruto battle his PS without an avatar? His mere tails could block Sasuke's PS strikes and he can fire attacks incomparably more powerful than the one that did a lot of damage to sasuke's PS.

- Madara should be able to restrain him

How?

- Other Ninjutsu is countered by Preta
- Anytime Naruto gets close, Madara can steal Naruto's Cloak & Chakra. Also adding more chakra to his own pool

A far superior version of Madara couldn't activate preta in time to absorb Naruto's youton rasenshuriken, and Kaguya, someone who's far superior than DR Juubi Jin Madara, can't even react to naruto's shunshin or absorb his cloak/attacks when he engaged her in taijutsu. The most powerful jutsu preta path ever absorbed was a SM FRS or jinton, both of which are nothing in comparison to what naruto throws at madara. So nope, he doesn't even react in time to use preta, nor does preta's absorption feats allow it to absorb the attacks naruto can throw.

 

[TheSages456]

Sasuke's PS and RSM Naruto's avatar are incomparably more durable than the juubi and by extension Madara's PS. The juubi's tails get

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while the tails of Naruto's RSM avatar can withstand

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, hits that are so powerful they can easily cut through the super durable chibaku tenseis that were as large as

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The very basis of your argument is flawed since Frs never sliced the tails. The chakra bird was blatantly shown doing so. The meteors are about double the shinju stumps height while being as wide as the stump and PS stands taller than the stump, so its not as impressive as you are trying to make it seem.

And then the juubi is incomparably more durable than Madara's PS as it withstood

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with only minor damages while Madara's PS was destroyed by a blast that was incomparably smaller.

The size of a super juubi bijudama explosion is never shown, so im not sure where you are drawing this comparison. The VOTE explosion dwarfs the explosion of at least the juubis cone bijudama.

Next, it's completely fallacious to compare the size of the explosion of Madara and hashirama's clash to the explosion of Naruto and sasuke's attack as Hashirama and Madara's attack isn't a fireball or ball of destruction like Naruto and Sasuke's, it's just a giant cloud of dust and debri which is far larger than the actual explosion that caused it much like how a FRS isn't on the same level as a bijuudama despite

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In addition to that, Madara's PS was only hit by half of that explosion as the bijuudamas he was firing were exploding

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.

Thats quite a slippery slope you're arguing there considering that the VOTE explosion was comprised of mass bijudama. The same explosion is shown when narutos bijudama hit obitos truthseeker shield, not the classic detonation, so your point holds no water.

Finally, even if that weren't the case, we know that each of madara's meteors are as big as the crater beneath the shinjuu, and a single bijuudama rasenshuriken is

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and potent enough to completely disintigrate whatever part of the meteor it comes into contact with, while the crater below the shinjuu is much larger than the explosion that hashirama and madara's VoTe clash made considerng how

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How does this even work when VOTEs explosion dwarfs the combined bijudama explosion in width and height? The scan you presented shows the bijudamas explosion being about the size of a mountain range width wise as you can clearly see by the yellow arrows.

So in conclusion, a single bijuudama or bijuu rasenshuriken spells unavoidable death for EMS Madara's PS. Assuming rinnegan madara's PS is the same as his edo version, that too is annihilated easily as it couldn't even overpower a single mokujin, something that can't even withstand a normal bijuudama from the kyuubi.

PS not taking down the mokujin says nothing about its durability, so im not sure what the significance of this point even is. The mokujin was not destroyed by bijudama nor did the slash of PS ever connect with the mokujin. Hashirama turned its head into hobi to form a shelter as clarified by DB4

 

[lanakui8]

Frs never sliced the tails. The chakra bird did as blatantly shown.

We've been over this already. If FRS didn't slice the tails, then I want to know your explanation for what happened to the FRS that Naruto thrusted forward at the juubi's tail

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and is suddenly gone from his hand

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Frs never sliced the tails. The chakra bird did as blatantly shown. The meteors are about double the shinju stumps height while being as wide as the stump and PS stands taller than the stump, so its not as impressive as you are trying to make it seem.

Please show me what leads you to believe the bolded?

We see how big PS is

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and we see how tiny

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PS is an ant even compared to the roots of the shinjuu let alone the actual stump.

We've also been through this argument as well. This is the part where I bring you all the scans that logically and necessarily lead you to conclude that the

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created

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which is the

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and the

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, the same crater

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the crater that is

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which is much smaller than

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which is the one created by tenpen chii.

The crater below the shinjuu cannot be the crater from juubito's slam because we already see the shinjuu roots extending beyond the crater multiple times before the slam, we even see two craters on this page with

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Therefore the meteors and the shinjuu's trunk are both incomparably larger than madara's PS, mokujin and even the juubi.

The size of a super juubi bijudama explosion is never shown, so im not sure where you are drawing this comparison. The VOTE explosion dwarfs the explosion of at least the juubis cone bijudama.

If the size of a super juubidama explosion isn't shown, then the only way to draw a comparison is by comparing the juubi's normal bijuudama to the super, and then scaling up the explosion that a normal one makes, unless you have a better way of analyzing them.

Please show how the VoTe explosion is larger than the one the juubidama makes if you believe that's true.

Thats quite a slippery slope you're arguing there considering that the VOTE explosion was comprised of mass bijudama. The same explosion is shown when narutos bijudama hit obitos truthseeker shield, not the classic detonation, so your point holds no water.

How in the world does naruto's bijuudama producing the same explosion make my point hold no water? The point is that those types of explosions are much larger than the actual fireball equivalent of them. If Naruto's bijuudama against juubito's TS shield produced that kind of explosion then the real one would have been much smaller, same for any bijuudama of the kind. So nope, the point still stands, those kinds of explosions are in no way close to the fireball equivalent. That's why FRS's explosion just tears of the terrain in the example I've shown while a bijuudama's fireball completely vaporizes the mountain and leaves a crater in its explosion.

Another proof of this is that we know how close madara and hashi

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We also know how big a crater the combined bijuudama from naruto and bee made

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and we know the juubi is at least as big as the 100% kyuubi. The bijuudama fireball created a giant crater in the ground, yet the explosion at VoTe didn't do so, since if it had created a crater, the ground would have been flooded with ocean water since it would have been connected to and at a lower depth than the surrounding ocean,

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So the explosion at VoTe was in no way comparable to the fireballs that potent enough to disintegrate all the terrain in their AoE and thus it's completely fallacious to make a comparison based on that.

How does this even work when VOTEs explosion dwarfs the combined bijudama explosion in width and height? The scan you presented shows the bijudamas explosion being about the size of a mountain range width wise as you can clearly see by the yellow arrows.

The yellow arrows are irrelevant, the blue arrows are the ones you'd be using for your comparison as the mountains near Madara and Hashirama's VoTe clash were next to the ocean, thus you compare the mountains next to the ocean which are on average a lot smaller than the inland ones.

PS not taking down the mokujin says nothing about its durability, so im not sure what the significance of this point even is. The mokujin was not destroyed by bijudama nor did the slash of PS ever connect with the mokujin. Hashirama turned its head into hobi to form a shelter as clarified by DB4

Unless you want to argue that a susanoo's durability, speed, strength and all those attributes aren't related, then PS not only failing to take down, but failing to even DAMAGE mokujin despite fighting it for chapters does display its durability. The databook also says that mokujin is on par with the kyuubi, which means that PS is only on par with the kyuubi since it is only on par with mokujin as shown in the manga.

 

[Bronze]

I believe the creator of this

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covered a lot of my premise. Basic conclusion: DRSM Madara has comparable raw power to Naruto, and with versatility arsenal at his advantage, which with strategic execution can beat Naruto. The difficulty would be mid to high.

 

[TheSages456]

We've been over this already. If FRS didn't slice the tails, then I want to know your explanation for what happened to the FRS that Naruto thrusted forward at the juubi's tail

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and is suddenly gone from his hand

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Your logic is that one frs cut 2 of the juubis tails at a large distance apart and at the exact same time despite naruto not being near either tail. Naruto was at the head of the chakra bird which was nowhere near either tail, so the frs was not used against the juubis tails.

The fact that naruto held it in a thrusting motion like against kakuzu means that it wasnt thrown, so it can only mean that its energy was used to propel the bird forward.
You want me to give an explanation when the manga has already shown the wings of the chakra bird slicing the tails. You are extrapolating irrelevant details to justify your bias.

Please show me what leads you to believe the bolded?

We see how big PS is

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and we see how tiny

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PS is an ant even compared to the roots of the shinjuu let alone the actual stump.

We've also been through this argument as well. This is the part where I bring you all the scans that logically and necessarily lead you to conclude that the

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created

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which is the

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and the

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, the same crater

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the crater that is

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which is much smaller than

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which is the one created by tenpen chii.

The crater below the shinjuu cannot be the crater from juubito's slam because we already see the shinjuu roots extending beyond the crater multiple times before the slam, we even see two craters on this page with

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Therefore the meteors and the shinjuu's trunk are both incomparably larger than madara's PS, mokujin and even the juubi.

PS being taller than the shinjus stump is blatantly shown in the boruto movie, but the stump is wider than PS. Showing the constructs side by side removes the need for guesswork.


Via direct comparison between the actual constructs, not guesswork comparing random landscape elements that can vary:
-a biju with tails stretched out reaches at least half the height of a shinju root more or less.
-a god gate is >=biju in size due to how big they are compared to the juubis head.
-PS dwarfs a god gate in height to such an extent that the god gate is a mere dot to PS when shown side by side. That would make PS taller than the stump.

If the size of a super juubidama explosion isn't shown, then the only way to draw a comparison is by comparing the juubi's normal bijuudama to the super, and then scaling up the explosion that a normal one makes, unless you have a better way of analyzing them.

Please show how the VoTe explosion is larger than the one the juubidama makes if you believe that's true.

The explosion itself wasnt shown, but that doesnt mean that we cannot get an idea of the explosions size via panel. When minato sent the bijudama to sea, the island it was warped from was still visible. The explosion itself didnt come close to reaching shore. The most that hit the island was a tidal wave created from the explosion.

VOTEs explosion covered an area greater than the juubis bijudama to such an extent that the bijudama explosion can fit inside VOTEs explosion. Not much more needs to be said. I cant actually post any panels currently.

How in the world does naruto's bijuudama producing the same explosion make my point hold no water? The point is that those types of explosions are much larger than the actual fireball equivalent of them. If Naruto's bijuudama against juubito's TS shield produced that kind of explosion then the real one would have been much smaller, same for any bijuudama of the kind. So nope, the point still stands, those kinds of explosions are in no way close to the fireball equivalent. That's why FRS's explosion just tears of the terrain in the example I've shown while a bijuudama's fireball completely vaporizes the mountain and leaves a crater in its explosion.

Another proof of this is that we know how close madara and hashi

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We also know how big a crater the combined bijuudama from naruto and bee made

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and we know the juubi is at least as big as the 100% kyuubi. The bijuudama fireball created a giant crater in the ground, yet the explosion at VoTe didn't do so, since if it had created a crater, the ground would have been flooded with ocean water since it would have been connected to and at a lower depth than the surrounding ocean,

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So the explosion at VoTe was in no way comparable to the fireballs that potent enough to disintegrate all the terrain in their AoE and thus it's completely fallacious to make a comparison based on that.



The yellow arrows are irrelevant, the blue arrows are the ones you'd be using for your comparison as the mountains near Madara and Hashirama's VoTe clash were next to the ocean, thus you compare the mountains next to the ocean which are on average a lot smaller than the inland ones.

Your argument is blatantly wrong since the explosion of narutos tbb against obitos shield wasnt any larger than a normal bijudama explosion. Compare it to the hachibi and how big it is compared to its own bijudamas explosion and the answer should be obvious.

The juubi is only as big as PS & mokujin height wise, so by scaling, we know that shinsuusenju would fill almost the entirety of the bijudama crater. VOTEs explosion dwarfed shinsuusenju.

Unless you want to argue that a susanoo's durability, speed, strength and all those attributes aren't related, then PS not only failing to take down, but failing to even DAMAGE mokujin despite fighting it for chapters does display its durability. The databook also says that mokujin is on par with the kyuubi, which means that PS is only on par with the kyuubi since it is only on par with mokujin as shown in the manga.

DB4 said that it could fight on par with kurama. It didnt say that it was the mokujins limit. PS not damaging the mokujin says nothing about the durability of PS.

 

[Nagato The Sage]

Madara doesn't have hagoromo's rikudou senjutsu, that's something he only gained once he became the juubi jin which is why Sasuke doesn't have it

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Never claimed he did. His SM mearly, negates the gap of Naruto having Senjutsu. Rikudo's Senjutsu is an ability anyway, it doesn't affect potency of natural energy.

Plus, this A>B>C logic doesn't work since 1 eye'd juubi jinchuriki madara (someone who had more rikudou senjutsu than naruto, hashirama's SM, and the rinnegan) was getting wrecked by naruto before Naruto even used RSM.

Hashiramas SM had more than likely worn off by then, he didn't renew it with Hashirama and he can't use the actual Sage "Mode" on his own. He had Rikudo's Senjutsu at that point, which is automatic. Madara with Hagromo's chakra (since the man himself said he had it before he got the Juubi. Along with Nature energy putting it on par with Hagromo's.) should at least be on a tier where he could react with Susano'O. Considering Kakashi with a small amount of the same chakra blitzed Kaguya

Sasuke's PS never took TBB FRS, that was Sasuke's 8.5 bijuu + PS fusion avatar. His actual PS got its arm erased by a RSM bijuudama, something that's not on the same level as a RSM bijuudama rasenshuriken.

Phone autocorrected it, meant to just put TBB

Plus, why is Madara's PS being equaled to Sasuke's PS? Madara's PS isn't powered by the 9 tomoe rinnegan, neither is it powered by Hagoromo's Yin chakra, nor does it have the feats that suggest it's on par with Sasuke's.

Sasuke only has a 6 tomoe Rinnegan, and it's no stronger than a normal pair would be. Madara already drew the comparison between his dual pair to Sasuke's. Madara has Hagoromos Yin Chakra, as he has Hagos chakra in its entirety, as confirmed by the man himself.

since when can limbo clones even use ninjutsu? Naruto's clones have shown the ability to use bijuu rasenshuriken, and can physically fight on par with double rinnegan juubi jin madara's limbo clones despite not being able to see them, how in the world do an incomparably inferior version of madara's limbos or wood clones last a second against opponents who are incomparably faster, stronger, more durable, reflexive, and can fire off attacks as powerful as

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Never said Limbo could use Jutsu, but databook confirmes it has all the abilities of the original. Unless you wanna tell me some other way 1 Limbo could hit all 9 Biju at once with just melee.

When have his clones ever used TBB FRS? He needs TSB to use them, and only the original has them. He can switch, but it leaves him vulnerable to PS strikes and Chibaku Tensei. I doubt his clones would have the reserves anyway, Obito considered Sakura a better option as a chakra station than his clones.

Kaguya destroyed Sasuke's PS with mere

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Naruto's chakra punches

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and why can't naruto battle his PS without an avatar? His mere tails could block Sasuke's PS strikes and he can fire attacks incomparably more powerful than the one that did a lot of damage to sasuke's PS.

Kaguya must have put more force into the attack against the PS, she was aiming to take their chakra at the time so she wouldn't have attacked Naruto's body like she would a PS.

Tails are a useless point since he doesn't have the avatar

How?

Outer Path chains and Hagoromo chakra enhanced Mokuryu

A far superior version of Madara couldn't activate preta in time to absorb Naruto's youton rasenshuriken, and Kaguya, someone who's far superior than DR Juubi Jin Madara, can't even react to naruto's shunshin or absorb his cloak/attacks when he engaged her in taijutsu. The most powerful jutsu preta path ever absorbed was a SM FRS or jinton, both of which are nothing in comparison to what naruto throws at madara. So nope, he doesn't even react in time to use preta, nor does preta's absorption feats allow it to absorb the attacks naruto can throw.

Those absorption feats come from lesser characters, the limit is determined by the user. Madara was fighting both Naruto and Sasuke at the same time, he was never given a chance to do so. I'm not expecting it to absorb his TBB FRS, all he needs is to absorb his normal RS variants and steal chakra from his anytime they get close.

 

[Lord Tywin]

No one should make a thread that pits up a rikudo boosted character against a non rikudo boosted character, or even a character with insignificant amount of rikudo chakra.

 

[lanakui8]

Your logic is that one frs cut 2 of the juubis tails at a large distance apart and at the exact same time despite naruto not being near either tail. Naruto was at the head of the chakra bird which was nowhere near either tail, so the frs was not used against the juubis tails.

I never ever claimed that 1 FRS cut 2 juubi tails, I claimed that it cut 1 juubi tail. The manga literally showed Naruto

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, and the manga showed the head of the chakra bird being right in the middle of the severed tail that was furthest from the PoV.

The fact that naruto held it in a thrusting motion like against kakuzu means that it wasnt thrown, so it can only mean that its energy was used to propel the bird forward.
You want me to give an explanation when the manga has already shown the wings of the chakra bird slicing the tails. You are extrapolating irrelevant details to justify your bias.

So you literally believe that naruto shoved a FRS forward in order to propel the bird forward despite nothing in the manga whatsoever implying such a thing occured? Now who's the one being bias here?

And guess what, if FRS did in fact propell the bird forward with enough force that it severed both legs, then that makes the technique even MORE powerful since the FRS's blades are far sharper than the wings of the bird which are at least as thick as humans, and thus it logically and necessarily follows that if naruto applied the same force via a sharper medium, both tails would have been severed. So thank you for shooting yourself in your foot.

PS being taller than the shinjus stump is blatantly shown in the boruto movie, but the stump is wider than PS. Showing the constructs side by side removes the need for guesswork.

If PS is taller in the boruto movie, that logically and necessarily means that the shinjuu in the boruto movie is incomparably smaller than the shinjuu in the manga. There is no 'guesswork' being done here, we are explicitly shown PS being far smaller than the barrier, and the barrier being far smaller than the shinjuu's stump. Unless you contend the scans and what they necessitate, then you'd logically be conceding

Via direct comparison between the actual constructs, not guesswork comparing random landscape elements that can vary:
-a biju with tails stretched out reaches at least half the height of a shinju root more or less.
-a god gate is >=biju in size due to how big they are compared to the juubis head.
-PS dwarfs a god gate in height to such an extent that the god gate is a mere dot to PS when shown side by side. That would make PS taller than the stump.

I want to see where in the world you got the bolded from and what shinjuu root are you comparing the bijuu to.

And in no way shape or form am I using "random landscape elements that can vary" in my analysis, I use three objects: PS, juubito's barrier and the shinjuu's roots. Neither of those things are random landscape elements, and all three are blatantly shown to be massively different in size in relation to the other so there is absolutely no way you can attribute error due to 'randomness' or 'art variability'.

The explosion itself wasnt shown, but that doesnt mean that we cannot get an idea of the explosions size via panel. When minato sent the bijudama to sea, the island it was warped from was still visible. The explosion itself didnt come close to reaching shore. The most that hit the island was a tidal wave created from the explosion.

Okay, now quantify how that compares to a normal juubidama's explosion or VoTe's explosion.

VOTEs explosion covered an area greater than the juubis bijudama to such an extent that the bijudama explosion can fit inside VOTEs explosion. Not much more needs to be said. I cant actually post any panels currently.

the bolded is just an assertion, which is completely meaningless if you don't back it up with a scan or argument showing how that is so.

Your argument is blatantly wrong since the explosion of narutos tbb against obitos shield wasnt any larger than a normal bijudama explosion. Compare it to the hachibi and how big it is compared to its own bijudamas explosion and the answer should be obvious.

The bolded absolutely can't be claimed since the explosion extended offpanel. In addition to that, Juubito blocked the bulk of the explosion with his TSB so what was shown wouldn't be the full extend of the non-fireball explosion as shown by the huge gap in space. So no comparisons on can be made for a blast that was blocked and wasn't captured completely on panel to one that was. The argument stands.

And then there's the fact that this entire argument is completely irrelevant in the face of FRS having an explosion that's as large as or larger than a bijuudama which would mean that you believe a SM FRS > bijuudama.

The juubi is only as big as PS & mokujin height wise, so by scaling, we know that shinsuusenju would fill almost the entirety of the bijudama crater. VOTEs explosion dwarfed shinsuusenju.

The juubi is significantly taller than PS and mokujin, and even if the Juubi was only as big as 100% Kurama, shinsuusenjuu wouldn't even fill half of the crater. If you want to argue otherwise, show me scans and scaling, because I have my own that I can back my claims up by. Otherwise nope.

DB4 said that it could fight on par with kurama. It didnt say that it was the mokujins limit. PS not damaging the mokujin says nothing about the durability of PS.

That's obviously what the databook implies when it attributes a certain feat of equality or comparison to an object, character or jutsu. If it could fight beyond Kurama, then it would have said that it could defeat, or is stronger than Kurama. I've literally shown why the bolded isn't true. If yo don't agree with the argument, show why, else you're conceding that argument as an ignored argument is a conceded one.

 

[lanakui8]

Never claimed he did. His SM mearly, negates the gap of Naruto having Senjutsu. Rikudo's Senjutsu is an ability anyway, it doesn't affect potency of natural energy.

And now's the part where I ask you to support the bolded with an argument.

Hashiramas SM had more than likely worn off by then, he didn't renew it with Hashirama and he can't use the actual Sage "Mode" on his own. He had Rikudo's Senjutsu at that point, which is automatic. Madara with Hagromo's chakra (since the man himself said he had it before he got the Juubi. Along with Nature energy putting it on par with Hagromo's.) should at least be on a tier where he could react with Susano'O. Considering Kakashi with a small amount of the same chakra blitzed Kaguya

Based on what did Hashirama's SM wear off? Kakashi didn't use the same chakra to blitz kaguya, he used the rikudou senjutsu that allowed Juubito to use onmyouton in order to fight kaguya, and he never speed blitzed her, she got hit due to not knowing he could phase through objects.

Sasuke only has a 6 tomoe Rinnegan, and it's no stronger than a normal pair would be. Madara already drew the comparison between his dual pair to Sasuke's. Madara has Hagoromos Yin Chakra, as he has Hagos chakra in its entirety, as confirmed by the man himself.

What in the world is the bolded based on? Is it based on that same sasuke being even faster than 1 eye'd juubi jin madara? Madara had hago's yin, yang, far more bijuu chakra than naruto, rikudousenjutsu and a rinnegan, yet he was thrashed by base naruto to the point where he was forced to absorb the shinjuu. If it was A>B>C logic, Naruto would have gotten stomped even if he went all out on madara. If Sasuke's eye was suppose to be equal to dual normal rinnegans, Kishi would have just made him have two rinnegans as there's absolutely no reason for him to do so if there is no distinction.

Never said Limbo could use Jutsu, but databook confirmes it has all the abilities of the original. Unless you wanna tell me some other way 1 Limbo could hit all 9 Biju at once with just melee.

The 1 limbo never did hit all 9 bijuu at once, he hit them one at a time which is why each bijuu was given a seperate panel for it. If limbo literally had 'all the abilities of the original' then that means they'd be able to use their own limbos, which in turn could use their own limbos until there's an infinite amount of limbos. If they had all the abilities of the original, then the limbos would have had their own TSB like the original madara, yet that's not the case. But sure, lets assume they can use all of his jutsu, so 4 PS right?

When have his clones ever used TBB FRS? He needs TSB to use them, and only the original has them. He can switch, but it leaves him vulnerable to PS strikes and Chibaku Tensei. I doubt his clones would have the reserves anyway, Obito considered Sakura a better option as a chakra station than his clones.

When did I say his clones would be using TBB RS? They used Bijuu rasenshuriken, the rasenshurikens they were using against kaguya. Why would he be vulnerable to PS strikes or CT without the TSB? He still has chakra arms that are almost as powerful as kaguyas, and CT is easily dodged or destroyed with his bijuu rasenshuriken and the only reason he destroyed them was to protect the SA. This is all assuming that rinnegan madara can even use CT on the level as his Juubi jinchuriki counterpart.

Kaguya must have put more force into the attack against the PS, she was aiming to take their chakra at the time so she wouldn't have attacked Naruto's body like she would a PS.

There's literally no evidence of that.

Tails are a useless point since he doesn't have the avatar

Naruto doesn't need to use the avatar in order to creat chakra arms and apendages, he's done this in even BM.

Outer Path chains and Hagoromo chakra enhanced Mokuryu

And based on what would that do anything to someone as fast, reflexive, powerful as naruto? Madara tries that, he eats a nuke to the face and gets killed, or gets sliced in half by a shunshin that Kaguya couldn't even mentally react to.

Those absorption feats come from lesser characters, the limit is determined by the user. Madara was fighting both Naruto and Sasuke at the same time, he was never given a chance to do so. I'm not expecting it to absorb his TBB FRS, all he needs is to absorb his normal RS variants and steal chakra from his anytime they get close.

The absorption feats are AGAINST lesser characters and lesser jutsu, Madara had ample time to absorb Youton rasenshuriken, yet never did so. His clones had ample time to absorb naruto's own clones, yet never did so, Kaguya had ample time to absorb naruto's attacks yet never did so. Madara can't absorb chakra from naruto any time he gets close, we're shown that he has to make physical contact for extended periods of time in order to absorb chakra from people, usually after immobilizing them or putting them into a position where they can't move. Kaguya couldn't even steal chakra from naruto when he fought her in CQC, 1 vs 1, how in the world is someone who's incomparably weaker than her even when he's a juubi jin suppose to do so?

The answer is he doesn't, if Naruto is ever in the position where he and madara are within 30 meters, madara's head is getting ripped off before he realizes what's going on, let alone the requirements for Madara to actually take naruto's chakra: extended physical contact. Madara can't absorb any of naruto's RS variants as

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[Kyle storm]

The very basis of your argument is flawed since Frs never sliced the tails. The chakra bird was blatantly shown doing so. The meteors are about double the shinju stumps height while being as wide as the stump and PS stands taller than the stump, so its not as impressive as you are trying to make it seem.

The size of a super juubi bijudama explosion is never shown, so im not sure where you are drawing this comparison. The VOTE explosion dwarfs the explosion of at least the juubis cone bijudama.


Thats quite a slippery slope you're arguing there considering that the VOTE explosion was comprised of mass bijudama. The same explosion is shown when narutos bijudama hit obitos truthseeker shield, not the classic detonation, so your point holds no water.


How does this even work when VOTEs explosion dwarfs the combined bijudama explosion in width and height? The scan you presented shows the bijudamas explosion being about the size of a mountain range width wise as you can clearly see by the yellow arrows.

PS not taking down the mokujin says nothing about its durability, so im not sure what the significance of this point even is. The mokujin was not destroyed by bijudama nor did the slash of PS ever connect with the mokujin. Hashirama turned its head into hobi to form a shelter as clarified by DB4

Lmfao , like i told you before , it buffles me that a stupid and idiotic people like yourself actually still exist in this world
The Vote explosion that you still fapping about is irrelevant because :
- Naruto was holding back against Sasuke .
- In this fight he isn't holding back against Madara
- Naruto can make a bigger bijuudama than the one he used to clash with PS chidori .
- Naruto can throw as many Bijuudama as he wants , not just one .
How moronic is this stupid kid is going to get .
According to your horseshit logic :
- Naruto used one Bijuudama against Sasuke , so that means he will use only the same Bijuudama here against Madara .
KILL YOUR SELF
The fight starts , Naruto throws a barrage of 5 Bijuudama , or a barrage of BDFRS , and Madara's susanoo gets nuked off the face of the earth .
Not gonna put you in the Ignore list tho , cuz this BullShit you spew is pretty intertaining .

 

[Holy God]

The fight starts , Naruto throws a barrage of 5 Bijuudama , or a barrage of BDFRS , and Madara's susanoo gets nuked off the face of the earth .

You expect Naruto be less than 200 feet away when the fight begins and survive his own attack?

 

[Kyle storm]

You expect Naruto be less than 200 feet away when the fight begins and survive his own attack?

Good thing naruto can do this cool thing called " attack and get off the way " .

 

[Holy God]

Good thing naruto can do this cool thing called " attack and get off the way " .

If Naruto has the time to get away then wouldn't Madara?

 

[Ansatsuken]

Necromancy.

 

[Edogawa]

The scaling of lanakui8 is way off accuracy. The CT's had a width of mountain range; referencing this from the fact they had equal width to the Shinju stump. All this indicates that Naruto and Sasuke, with the powers of Rikudou, can match the fire-power of EMS Madara and Hashirama, retracting Biju Susanoo. If the portion of Hagoromo's Chakra produced by the Rinnegan Sasuke awoke, which happens to be one, powered-up his PS from cutting Shinju roots to mountain range, then that portion produced from two Rinnegan Madara awoke (5x as Limbo grew to 5 in numbers compared 1) will have greater fire-power than Sasuke's PS, which is as powerful as Naruto's avatar. Added with Madara's Rinnegan Jutsu's, he takes the cake of this.