[VS] Bee vs Jin Gaara
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Killer B wins but then it's Gaara who I find complicated ability wise.
- B can instantly shoot TBB's. Can Gaara dodge this? OR even tank it? Nope. Not from what I know.
- In V2, he has the necessary speed to evade his sand though the environment can be quite troublesome, I believe V2 B is much more durable than Kimmimaro who at least could break through Gaara's sand couple times and withstand some of his attacks. True this is a much stronger Gaara but the durability difference as well should also factor in. Besides, there's always Samehada there to absorb the chakra stregnthing the sand making it weaker. Plus I'm curious to know what happens when the sand makes contact with that cloak that can instantly melt snakes when activated.
- Back to the speed aspect which I mentioned, if Killer B can out speed his sand, he can potentially bypass Gaara's defense similar to what Lee did and land a fatal hit.
- Shukaku comes out, Hachibi does and we know who wins.
- B can instantly shoot TBB's. Can Gaara dodge this? OR even tank it? Nope. Not from what I know.
- In V2, he has the necessary speed to evade his sand though the environment can be quite troublesome, I believe V2 B is much more durable than Kimmimaro who at least could break through Gaara's sand couple times and withstand some of his attacks. True this is a much stronger Gaara but the durability difference as well should also factor in. Besides, there's always Samehada there to absorb the chakra stregnthing the sand making it weaker. Plus I'm curious to know what happens when the sand makes contact with that cloak that can instantly melt snakes when activated.
- Back to the speed aspect which I mentioned, if Killer B can out speed his sand, he can potentially bypass Gaara's defense similar to what Lee did and land a fatal hit.
- Shukaku comes out, Hachibi does and we know who wins.
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Has he ever done this?
Shukaku could put sand into hachibi's joints, keeping him from moving whilst pelting him with air blasts
How? Especially if he keeps his distance.
Not before he blasts Ichibi with his TBB..Not mention none of his Jutsu would prevent Hachibi from using this TBB as a counter.
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Continuous BD would end it from the moment it's used. B can survive normal Bijuu Dama, which is all Shukaku can use.
I'm pretty sure this jutsu should be able to immobilise Hachibi
And regarding TBB, wouldn't this be perfectly capable of forcing detonation before it can travel close to Shukaku? If it explodes in the middle of Hachibi and Shukaku then Hachibi will be the one at a disadvantage since he's logically less durable then Shukaku's own body and any shield he can set up around himself (like the defence he used against C3 except this one is much more durable and is protecting Gaara like a dome).
Then there's a huge Sand Tsunami which can sink Hachibi and even lead to him being sealed.
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if it immobilised SM Madara whose strength relative to his weight is far beyond the Hachibi's.And regarding TBB, wouldn't this be perfectly capable of forcing detonation before it can travel close to Shukaku? If it explodes in the middle of Hachibi and Shukaku then Hachibi will be the one at a disadvantage since he's logically less durable then Shukaku's own body and any shield he can set up around himself (like the defence he used against C3 except this one is much more durable and is protecting Gaara like a dome).
Then there's a huge Sand Tsunami which can sink Hachibi and even lead to him being sealed.
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Bruh the same exact way he did it to madara. Sand+Wind.
If he paralyzes hachibi with sand, hachibi wont be able to point his head to aim TBBs.
Lol he didnt answer when i asked if that actually happened before. I didnt remember that.
Shuck cannot use CTBB..How does he stand a chance against something that instant? He also isn't more durable than someone that took a Bijuudama. What feats?
@Apex that Jutsu that immobilized Madara requires a hand seal
Sand tsunami was countered by CM2 Kimmimaro...Not sure how that's putting down Hachibi who could restrain a Bijuu and progressively smack another a good distance
TBB is detonating from that far out..No way. Especially when we've some cross an entire ocean and travel to a different village. Not from 20M would what you're saying happen.
@DK I explained it in my response to Apex.
@Apex that Jutsu that immobilized Madara requires a hand seal
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Not sure how that's even a case before and instant BD counter Shukaku. Sand tsunami was countered by CM2 Kimmimaro...Not sure how that's putting down Hachibi who could restrain a Bijuu and progressively smack another a good distance
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.TBB is detonating from that far out..No way. Especially when we've some cross an entire ocean and travel to a different village. Not from 20M would what you're saying happen.
@DK I explained it in my response to Apex.
Sand in the manga cannot be destroyed. It took the C3 and didn't decrease in amount at all, even at the epicentre. It took the Enton and didn't wither away or get burned. Energy doesn't seem to affect Sand much from what was shown, only things with an impact or Raiton tend to affect it. If Shukaku used a large amount of sand to shield from the explosion I'm sure he'll be just fine since TBB doesn't exert any force like an explosion would, it's purely a large amount of energy inside that blast. Unless the sand is being vaporised Shukaku wouldn't be affected. And let me add, when Gaara used the defence vs C3 that was sand imbued with his chakra. Shukaku is a Bijuu and I think it's pretty safe to assume his chakra is far more potent and thus grants a far better defence.
True, TBB would happen faster then those sand bullets but the Sand Bullets are being reserved for a moment where TBB's are not being fired. Also, Gaara has shown the ability to manifest giant sand arms from the ground, why can't he use that right beneath Hachibi the second he sees TBB about to get prepped? Would take away his footing and make the TBB miss. Something along the lines of this [
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] on a larger scale since he's a perfect Jin.I think you misunderstood, TBB obviously won't detonate without any huge impact. I don't think it's far fetched to say the Wind can make the TBB detonate, sure it has an immense force behind it but so does the giant Futon which can clear a forest. I mean, if a single BM tail from Naruto can completely redirect a TBB (so overpower a TBB tremendously) but then fail to even inflict slight damage on Madara's v3 Susano. It's not as powerful as people make it seem.
Sand Tsunami only used so that the Sealing funeral Pyramid can be formed as a follow-up. I'm not sure how Hachibi would get out nor am I sure how Hachibi would dodge the Sand Tsunami.
I agree with this
OT: If gaara can use TBB he takes this.
Sand bullets paralization gets countered with this:
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Bold: Bee doesn't need to make his TBB detonate (which i agree Gaara can redirect). Bee has a TBB version which is kind of a laser beam, which doesn't need to detonate like the standard ball.
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He's not strong enough to move his body an inch let alone like that. Hachibi does not do anything with his strength that he normally can't, all he does is keep spinning and build up tremendous momentum. But look at it this way. SM Madara has immense strength, a SM user can carry something far heavier then them i.e. Naruto carried Kurama/rhino and throw them distances away. Bee can carry things his own size and send them away. That means SM Madara is FAR stronger relative to his own body weight. So if he couldn't move his legs despite him having tremendous amounts of strength in it, Hachibi won't be moving his entire lower/upper body. I would like you to look at the scan again and see how many of those sand bullets didn't even hit Madara's body
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. And that was NON-perfect Jin Gaara. Assume it's perfect Jin Gaara and he can easily do enough to engulf Hachibi's entire body. So you will need to prove Hachibi can move anything in his body apart from his tails and rear, which are not enough to create the momentum he needs to spin like that.Although I would totally agree with you that this would shit on Shukaku since the force it applies would demolish any shield he can put up, it is unfortunate for you that Kishi trolled this jutsu and allowed Karin to dodge it after it was already finished prepping.
