[VS] DRSM Madara vs Juubito

[KidGamer65]

Juubito tanks Chibaku Tensei when he got a hole put in him from Rasengan? :lol. Boy.

 

[EZQ]

Juubito tanks Chibaku Tensei when he got a hole put in him from Rasengan? :lol. Boy.

He can't tank it that's for sure.

But i think he could be able to break the core with several TSB explosives if he catches the trick when it's still small.

 

[KidGamer65]

He can't tank it that's for sure.

But i think he could be able to break the core with several TSB explosives if he catches the trick when it's still small.

Considering the speed Madara should be able to form it, I doubt it. But even if he did, that's only one. Madara can make over 5.

 

[EZQ]

Considering the speed Madara should be able to form it, I doubt it. But even if he did, that's only one. Madara can make over 5.

Well yes i was just thinking of a way Obito can counter CT in general. Not madara's.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Not formed since Onoki softened the first meteor, which softened the impact of the second meteor.

Nice try but these which are much bigger than Nagato CT couldn't even make creators or earth quakes in the ground.
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] Sakura and Kakashi just got hit with wind and debris and they weren't even far from the explosion.​

Juubito tanks Chibaku Tensei when he got a hole put in him from Rasengan? :lol. Boy.

Irrelevant since Senjutsu is their weakness.​

 

[Demonic.]

Nice try but these which are much bigger than Nagato CT couldn't even make creators or earth quakes in the ground.
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] Sakura and Kakashi just got hit with wind and debris and they weren't even far from the explosion.​

Irrelevant since Senjutsu is their weakness.​

Da Fuq is up with that name YD.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Da Fuq is up with that name YD.

Meant to put Black Hippy not sure how Beyonce Brother got there.​

 

[KidGamer65]

Nice try but these which are much bigger than Nagato CT couldn't even make creators or earth quakes in the ground.
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] Sakura and Kakashi just got hit with wind and debris and they weren't even far from the explosion.​

You mean the fragments that hit the ground after Naruto and Sasuke obliterated them? :lol Terrible comparison. The fragments of those rocks are nowhere near Nagato's CT's size. Not to mention there are panels of Madara's Meteor causing an earthquake, so what are you even trying to prove here?

Irrelevant since Senjutsu is their weakness.​

No, it's not. Senjutsu is what can hurt them. A Senjutsu Rasengan isn't going to do more damage than it normally would because it's Senjutsu.

 

[Tarinth]

Chibaku Tensei is Madara's only reliable way of victory here.

-Obito is never blitzing, so if anyone wants to make that claim I suggest they think first.
-Gudo Dama attacks are all blocked by Susanoo.
-Obito's regen is useless since if Madara hits him with CT, he'll die on impact.
-Obito has no other jutsu worth mentioning.

And Obito's only chance is Nunoboku. Some speculate that if Obito wasn't losing his resolve, Nunoboku would've skewered them both. If Nunoboku would've given Obito the win against Naruto and Sasuke based on it's power and it's power alone, he might be able to cut through any CT Madara sends his way, but if that is false, Madara makes a bunch of CT that are at least the size of Nagato's and pastes Obito. And to gain some perspective on how powerful a singular CT drop would be, (assuming it's the size of the one Nagato made) Edo Madara's Meteor was only half of PS's size in height, and a bit wider than it, and one full weighted full powered meteor along with the lightened meteor's impact smashed Madara's V3 Susanoo and obliterated him.

That already makes it far stronger than Kirin.

Nagato's CT dwarfs Madara's Meteor, thus the damage done would dwarf it too. Add more than one and Obito never tanks it even with the Gudo Dama.

I agree that Juubito wouldn't be able to tank the CT. But I don't see how in the world those meteors hit him. Only a direct
hit onto Juubito could possibly KO him and I don't see any reason why he couldn't just dodge them the same way
Sasuke, in his giant PS could dodge them all.

Even if Sasuke in PS form is faster, Juubito is still a Juubi Jin and should be of similar speed, not to mention the CT
are smaller and he's a smaller target. Limbo won't be forcing him into the CT either since Juubito can see it and
thus dodge it as the Limbo should be somewhat slower than he is. Thus, the CT shouldn't be able to actually
ever land a direct hit and slam him into the ground, so this isn't a valid method for him to die unless you had
some other method of getting him to be hit that I hadn't noticed.

Also, I don't see how Madara can deal with 4 bijuudamas, especially if Juubito puts up the super barrier. Madara
can't break out of the barrier as not even a Juubidama was able to blow through a weaker one and Madara's strongest
power was shown to be a PS, whose powers were not shown to have escalated with Rikudo chakra. There has been
no indication of its growth and even if it logically should be stronger, there is no proof that it is so much stronger that
it can break through the seal. Thus, once the juubidamas go off, Madara gets exploded unless he uses preta path.
Should he do that, the time it takes to absorb all of that chakra, Juubito only needs to physically attack him, either
killing him, or causing him to stop his absorption, thus causing all of it to explode, taking him out.

Juubito's gudodamas should be able create the shield fast enough to block the damage so that he comes out unscathed.

 

[KidGamer65]

I agree that Juubito wouldn't be able to tank the CT. But I don't see how in the world those meteors hit him. Only a direct
hit onto Juubito could possibly KO him and I don't see any reason why he couldn't just dodge them the same way
Sasuke, in his giant PS could dodge them all.

Even if Sasuke in PS form is faster, Juubito is still a Juubi Jin and should be of similar speed, not to mention the CT
are smaller and he's a smaller target. Limbo won't be forcing him into the CT either since Juubito can see it and
thus dodge it as the Limbo should be somewhat slower than he is. Thus, the CT shouldn't be able to actually
ever land a direct hit and slam him into the ground, so this isn't a valid method for him to die unless you had
some other method of getting him to be hit that I hadn't noticed.

Also, I don't see how Madara can deal with 4 bijuudamas, especially if Juubito puts up the super barrier. Madara
can't break out of the barrier as not even a Juubidama was able to blow through a weaker one and Madara's strongest
power was shown to be a PS, whose powers were not shown to have escalated with Rikudo chakra. There has been
no indication of its growth and even if it logically should be stronger, there is no proof that it is so much stronger that
it can break through the seal. Thus, once the juubidamas go off, Madara gets exploded unless he uses preta path.
Should he do that, the time it takes to absorb all of that chakra, Juubito only needs to physically attack him, either
killing him, or causing him to stop his absorption, thus causing all of it to explode, taking him out.

Juubito's gudodamas should be able create the shield fast enough to block the damage so that he comes out unscathed.

1. CT can be controlled. Not to mention Sasuke's PS flies faster than Obito by feats, and he cut through CT, he didn't just dodge all of them. Obito being a Jin isn't evidence he should be of similar speed.

2. Madara would just cut the tree with Perfect Susanoo, or flatten it with a giant Shinra Tensei before the tree can be formed. When it comes to Rikudo Chakra buffing his abilities, read all my replies on the subject as it addresses everything here.

 

[Tarinth]

Obito actually has several counters to the CT though. First, Obito has the raw power needed to bust
straight through it. Since we're assuming these CTs to be around Nagato level, then we have to remember
that Kurama busted OUT of one. Now, keeping this in mind, Hashirama's Senpo seal that held down the
Juubi was EASILY broken through by V1 Juubito.

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Now, I understand that these are different scenarios, but my point is that if Kurama can smash a hole
straight through the CT, then there's no reason why Juubito couldn't literally blow straight into it with
his superior physical power.

Second, Juubito does have the speed necessary to dodge the CT. Juubito is clearly fast, blitzing even KCM
Minato, suggesting that he is above any non-Rikudo shinobi. Now, the fastest Madara has ever sent down CT,
and the strongest he has ever made them, is shown in the below panel where even normal shinobi have
enough time to notice and have a short conversation about it before it hits.

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Undoubtably, Juubito is faster than BM Naruto, especially as he has shown feats of
blitzing even KCM Minato and just the fact that he is the juubi jin.

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In the above panel, if you look forward a page, Naruto moved around several bijuu sizes
of land mass faster than even Kakashi could react. Nagato's CT is around several bijuu sizes.
Juubito literally can dodge that very easily when we consider the fact that Madara's CT should
be moving at either the same speed of even slower than that when he was a Juubi Jin.

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Second, for my Juubidama post, Madara cannot simply just cut down the tree. Even with multiple high level
shinobi, the power of three jinchuruuki, and the giant shinobi alliance, no one even tried to do such a thing.
This could suggest that cutting the tree only causes it to detonate early, OR, that it was created so far away
that they couldn't do anything about it. Considering BM Naruto and Minato are speedsters, definitely at least on
par in speed with Dual Rinnegan Madara, and couldn't stop it, then Madara isn't making it in time to stop it,
especially with Juubito actually preventing him from doing anything.

And as I have already countered why CT is not a legitimate way of killing Juubito as he is strong enough to smash
through them, Madara loses as he can't put him down as not even a PS + Kurama combo slash could do any
mortal damage. And even if Madara can counter the 4 juubidama, that merely means that neither party
has any legitimate way of putting down the other.

In such a scenario, this battle becomes a battle of attrition, and I think it goes without saying that the juubi
jin is the one that outlasts.

 

[KidGamer65]

Obito actually has several counters to the CT though. First, Obito has the raw power needed to bust
straight through it. Since we're assuming these CTs to be around Nagato level, then we have to remember
that Kurama busted OUT of one. Now, keeping this in mind, Hashirama's Senpo seal that held down the
Juubi was EASILY broken through by V1 Juubito.

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Now, I understand that these are different scenarios, but my point is that if Kurama can smash a hole
straight through the CT, then there's no reason why Juubito couldn't literally blow straight into it with
his superior physical power.

Second, Juubito does have the speed necessary to dodge the CT. Juubito is clearly fast, blitzing even KCM
Minato, suggesting that he is above any non-Rikudo shinobi. Now, the fastest Madara has ever sent down CT,
and the strongest he has ever made them, is shown in the below panel where even normal shinobi have
enough time to notice and have a short conversation about it before it hits.

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Undoubtably, Juubito is faster than BM Naruto, especially as he has shown feats of
blitzing even KCM Minato and just the fact that he is the juubi jin.

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In the above panel, if you look forward a page, Naruto moved around several bijuu sizes
of land mass faster than even Kakashi could react. Nagato's CT is around several bijuu sizes.
Juubito literally can dodge that very easily when we consider the fact that Madara's CT should
be moving at either the same speed of even slower than that when he was a Juubi Jin.

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Second, for my Juubidama post, Madara cannot simply just cut down the tree. Even with multiple high level
shinobi, the power of three jinchuruuki, and the giant shinobi alliance, no one even tried to do such a thing.
This could suggest that cutting the tree only causes it to detonate early, OR, that it was created so far away
that they couldn't do anything about it. Considering BM Naruto and Minato are speedsters, definitely at least on
par in speed with Dual Rinnegan Madara, and couldn't stop it, then Madara isn't making it in time to stop it.

especially with Juubito actually preventing him from doing anything.

And as I have already countered why CT is not a legitimate way of killing Juubito as he is strong enough to smash
through them, Madara loses as he can't put him down as not even a PS + Kurama combo slash could do any
mortal damage. And even if Madara can counter the 4 juubidama, that merely means that neither party
has any legitimate way of putting down the other.

In such a scenario, this battle becomes a battle of attrition, and I think it goes without saying that the juubi
jin is the one that outlasts.

The first point was addressed. Kurama broke out of a CT, that doesn't mean that he or Juubito has the raw physical power to rip it's entirety apart. It's proof that he would be able to muscle out of Chibaku Tensei if he was trapped inside of it, which he won't be. The bold doesn't make sense as one thing that is at the edge of the rock breaking out, doesn't equate nor is it evidence that something else can completely obliterate it. At best you can prove that he'd go through it, but that doesn't counter it.

Juubito being fast isn't evidence he'll be able to avoid multiple CT that can be controlled by the user at will, especially when said user is fast enough to track Juubito's movements with Sage Mode just how the slower Naruto did. Normal shinobi being able to talk before CT several hundred meters in the sky reach the ground isn't evidence that Obito can evade them when Obito won't be several hundred meters away from CT.

Faster than BM Naruto is irrelevant as BM Naruto isn't relevant, nor is the speed feat you are trying to give him makes any sense. He traveled to a single spot and slapped all the BD away. He didn't move around "several bIjuu sizes". Not to mention generalizing the distance he traveled and the size of CT makes zero sense when:

1. CT is far larger and far wider than any distance Naruto has ever covered in a blink of the eye.
2. There are more than one.
3. They can be controlled.

-The tree is what charges the Bijuu Dama. Stop the charging and the

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. Shown in canon. So your point is nothing but an assumption here.

-The point about them being far away is just an ingenuous lie you decided to create without bothering to consent with the Manga first. [

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] Even if this wasn't a blatant lie/misinterpretation of what the Manga showed multiple times, Madara cuts Mountains several miles away from his location with a swing. Distance is irrelevant.


No one tried to do such a thing because no one could do such a thing. The only shinobi with Mountain level destructive capability at that time were Naruto and Minato, and Killer B, and blowing it up would only hurt everyone in the barrier and might cause the BD to explode. Nor can you tell me how Juubito prevents him from doing anything when Juubito would be mauled by Susanoo in CQC if he ever engaged Madara and tried to stop it.

And the assertion that Obito survives Madara's Susanoo because he survived Sasuke's Senjutsu enhanced blade is so ridiculous that I can't help but to laugh.

1. Kurama is irrelevant. It's Sasuke's blade and Sasuke's Susanoo. The only thing Kurama Mode adds is the Senjutsu and the Bijuu Dama, and Bijuu Dama wasn't used. Thus Sasuke's PS blade w/ Senjutsu is what cut into Juubito's body. Madara's blade w/o Senjutsu is already superior to that let alone w/ Senjutsu and Hagoromo's chakra.

2. Naruto wasn't aiming to kill Obito. That's why instead of bisecting him he cut into him and released the Bijuu Chakra. Common sense alone should tell you that if they slashed his side open with no resistance, they would've cut him apart with ease.

3. He's already taken damage from Rasengan. He doesn't survive a PS slash. Not once, not ever.

 

[Kagustuchi]

Chibaku Tensei is Madara's only reliable way of victory here.

-Obito is never blitzing, so if anyone wants to make that claim I suggest they think first.
-Gudo Dama attacks are all blocked by Susanoo.
-Obito's regen is useless since if Madara hits him with CT, he'll die on impact.
-Obito has no other jutsu worth mentioning.

And Obito's only chance is Nunoboku. Some speculate that if Obito wasn't losing his resolve, Nunoboku would've skewered them both. If Nunoboku would've given Obito the win against Naruto and Sasuke based on it's power and it's power alone, he might be able to cut through any CT Madara sends his way, but if that is false, Madara makes a bunch of CT that are at least the size of Nagato's and pastes Obito. And to gain some perspective on how powerful a singular CT drop would be, (assuming it's the size of the one Nagato made) Edo Madara's Meteor was only half of PS's size in height, and a bit wider than it, and one full weighted full powered meteor along with the lightened meteor's impact smashed Madara's V3 Susanoo and obliterated him.

That already makes it far stronger than Kirin.

Nagato's CT dwarfs Madara's Meteor, thus the damage done would dwarf it too. Add more than one and Obito never tanks it even with the Gudo Dama.

One small thing. That meteor destroyed Madara's Susano'O and all, but Onoki tanked all that damage with his face and survived.

 

[KidGamer65]

One small thing. That meteor destroyed Madara's Susano'O and all, but Onoki tanked all that damage with his face and survived.

Can't imagine why that happened tbh. Something must've softened the damage he took, though I wouldn't know what it is.

 

[Kagustuchi]

Can't imagine why that happened tbh. Something must've softened the damage he took, though I wouldn't know what it is.

I was never really sure. Doesn't make much sense tbh, someone protecting him shouldn't make much diffrent because no one had anything as durable as Madara's Susano'O

 

[TRE MERCER]

No, it's not. Senjutsu is what can hurt them. A Senjutsu Rasengan isn't going to do more damage than it normally would because it's Senjutsu.

Actually yes it does. Obito was hit with a Rasenshuriken and had minor damage.

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[KidGamer65]

Actually yes it does. Obito was hit with a Rasenshuriken and had minor damage.

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Because Juubi Jin's body's block Ninjutsu. Period. Senjutsu attacks don't, never have, and never will do more damage than they should when used against a Jin. The only difference is that a Jin can't no sell the attack, thus it does it's regular damage.

It's not like you have evidence he can tank something far stronger than what obliterated Madara's V3 Susanoo, multiple times over, anyway. So why don't you just stop already? :lol

 

[TRE MERCER]

Because Juubi Jin's body's block Ninjutsu. Period. Senjutsu attacks don't, never have, and never will do more damage than they should when used against a Jin. The only difference is that a Jin can't no sell the attack, thus it does it's regular damage.

It's not like you have evidence he can tank something far stronger than what obliterated Madara's V3 Susanoo, multiple times over, anyway. So why don't you just stop already? :lol

Actually the scan above proves the bold wrong. TSB only block Ninjutsu which is the reason why Obito took damage because it was a direct hit to the body if there body could negate Ninjutsu he wouldn't have been regenerating.​

 

[KidGamer65]

Actually the scan above proves the bold wrong. TSB only block Ninjutsu which is the reason why Obito took damage because it was a direct hit to the body if there body could negate Ninjutsu he wouldn't have been regenerating.​

-If the body didn't have resistance to Ninjutsu, he would've taken far more damage from FRS.
-If the body didn't have resistance to Ninjutsu, Tobirama and Minato wouldn't have said it does on multiple occasions.

 

[TRE MERCER]

-If the body didn't have resistance to Ninjutsu, he would've taken far more damage from FRS.
-If the body didn't have resistance to Ninjutsu, Tobirama and Minato wouldn't have said it does on multiple occasions.

BOLD- Is proving my point that Senjutsu does more damage to their body than a normal tech would just because Senjutsu is their weakness. Minato and Tobirama don't have to prove anything with words with a scan of Obito healing after being hit with a Ninjutsu attack was shown in cannon.

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Omyoudon's turn Ninjutsu into nothing not the Juubi Jins body common misconception.​