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Minato and Itachi (KidGamer65) vs. Nagato (Zexion~)
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-Forgetting that a village wide crater speaks literally nothing about it's height.
-Forgetting that they start near the center where Pain and Naruto started, meaning he only has to cross half the village.
-Forgetting that he doesn't need to throw it across half the village when he can just cross that distance and then throw it above the crater.
-Forgetting that Nagato can't stop him, something already stated.
-Forgetting that Nagato can only end the toads with Shinra Tensei if they are in range for Shinra Tensei.
-Forgetting Minato has a tag ON HIS FACE ON THE HOKAGE MOUNTAIN.
-Forgetting that even if the bold mattered, Ninja can run on walls.
Please drop this part of the argument because it will only lead to you sound sillier than you already do.
Nope. Didn't say that. Read again before you reply.
And I suggest you re-read the Manga and the Databook. Most of it's power is focused in one direction, thus unless that power hits the Kunai, he doesn't deflect them, ever. The water was barely pushed back from his position. The water moving is probably due to nothing but his movement anyway just like
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Which makes far more sense than saying Fuuton Reppushou blows all around Nagato's body when Manga shows the brunt of the power hitting the Shuriken Konan made, and when Databook states that it is a directional attack.Hell, even if I agreed and said that the wind blew all around his body, based on the water's movement the force of the wind from every other angle besides the front (or wherever Nagato chooses to aim it) is pathetic due to it's real power coming from the user focusing it into a single direction, thus the Kunai are barely pushed away, letting Minato teleport close enough to Nagato to follow up with an attack or a Kunai toss.
Not sure why you are going on about the "perfect stance" when I never said he needs the perfect stance. I said that due to it being a directional attack, he can't cover every single angle of his body while Minato and Itachi can with their Kunai tosses.
Asura Path lets Nagato summon 6 mechanical arms as shown in canon.
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Your strategy fails for the simple fact that he can only make hand signs with the arms in front and the arms in the back as the arms on the sides are too far away from each other to make
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Thus he can only get Kunai from the back, and the front, not the sides. Crippling the fuuton strategy on it's own. Same goes for the Suiton considering he still can't make more than two hand signs due to the positioning of his arms.
Though I'm expecting fanfiction as a counter. If you think Nagato can:
-Form arms on any part of his body.
-Form as many arms as he wants.
Then I'd love to see the scans or any form of proof.
Not even sure how this is a counter.
1. Konan was doing a combination attack with him, why in the world would she throw her Kunai faster than he can use his jutsu?
2. Stopped taking this part seriously when you compared the strength of a young girl to the strength of two grown men.
3. The sfx is "flying fast" because Nagato used his Fuuton to propel them.
Me saying that they can throw Kunai at a faster rate than Nagato can repel them literally has nothing to do with konan throwing her shuriken faster than the wind can travel, if that was what you are trying to counter. :lol
Then Itachi and Minato just need a different approach to getting a marking near him. Though as explained above this strategy fails regardless.
1. If Itachi rushes Nagato holding Kunai, with himself marked as well Nagato is forced to counter with either Shinra Tensei or Preta Path. If he counters with a normal Shinra Tensei then it gets reflected and Nagato falls on his ass, then Minato teleports to him via Itachi and takes him out with a Kunai. If he uses Preta Path Nagato gets killed in the same way, by a teleportation blitz from Minato. If he tries to use the large Shinra Tensei, then the CST counter that has been listed goes into effect.
2. As for your "Fuuton strategy" Minato and Itachi can throw Kunai at Nagato with a short enough interval in between them so that Nagato ends up using Fuuton to repel one wave, only for the next wave to hit him before Nagato can use a second Fuuton.
3. When Minato throws a Kunai and Nagato tries to use Fuuton as a counter, Itachi just uses Amaterasu on the Fuuton, causing it to become pure flame allowing Minato's Kunai to pass right through and either hit Nagato (who will also be blinded by the sudden burst of flame, at least visually which is all he can use to perceive the Kunai) or land right near him allowing Minato to finish him with a blitz. And Sharingan sees chakra thus seeing the Fuuton isn't going to be problem in case you were thinking of making that argument.
So? It's not like it being stronger is going to change the issues with the strategy.
Didn't say it was.
Except that's irrelevant here since Nagato is a living human being with vital organs that actually work. Asura Path is a dead body with a bunch of mechanical features. Nagato can have those features, but that doesn't put him in the same category due to actually being alive with organs. Thus he's obviously not going to survive with over half his body obliterated.
Thus it living is irrelevant. Durability is the important thing for Nagato. And you keep going on about Naraka, but he has to summon the God of Hell and then enter it's body if he wants to heal, but regardless, you can't heal when you are dead.
I know. :lol That's why I stated that the neck is the thinnest part besides the arms and the easiest to pierce into. No part of his neck survived Raikiri nor can you take a single part of it and say "lol it survived Raikiri so no Kunai pierces it" when it had to go through his torso first, and there was the fact that Deva Path repelled them both.
Sure, he can camp with the Preta barrier on, but then Minato either:
-Uses a Kunai.
-Tags him instead of attacking him, allowing him to teleport to him whenever he pleases. Basically meaning GG.
So even if Minato's first Kunai strike fails, he can come back with the second Kunai strike and finish it after marking the dude.
Terrible logic. SM Rasengan obliterated him. How does getting obliterated by SM Rasengan mean that Rasengan won't kill him? :lol
Obito took Rasengan, thus that is his feat. Period. Stop handing over other people's feats to Nagato when you have literally zero reason to do so or evidence that'd allow you to draw said comparison. Especially when the nature of Obito's body is completely different to Nagato's. What's next? You're going to argue that Nagato can live after having his heart run through by
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Because "lol Obito did it"? Obito's feat, not Nagato's. Obito's anatomy cannot be compared to Nagato's in any way, shape or form. This is just like when you tried to claim that Human Path survives Tsunade's attack because Shin survived Sakura's. :lol Stop it. Not to mention he still lost an arm due to Rasengan and we don't even know how much damage he took internally or externally due to his cloak being on.Then there's the fact that Minato's Rasengan is as large as Naruto's Oodama Rasengan. Even if I were to agree to Nagato surviving it despite you providing no real evidence for that claim, Minato would just mark him like he did to Obito once the Rasengan hits him in the back or whereever and kill him with a second blitz.
So you are actually suggesting that Nagato shoots
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as a concentrated blast at every single Kunai and marking Minato has? Which will be spread throughout the area? :lol And that's even assuming that he can concentrate it since you are just assuming he can based on nothing but the amount of targets it has, which is nothing but a ridiculous assertion. Since when did attacks change based on the amount of targets? :lol If they change, it's because the technique has that property all on it's own.And it being a chakra blast doesn't change anything.
Hiraishin has a radius (already posted a scan), Itachi is marked and Susanoo in it's V3 stage isn't even that large. :lol Moving around the Susanoo doesn't stop Minato from warping to him, and once again, unless you are implying that Preta Path can absorb Susanoo faster than Minato can react, "it will be absorbed quickly" is an irrelevant point to make.
Why in the world would he have to use Shunshin when he can teleport to Nagato? Who is right in front of Itachi? :lol Jesus.
-This is how large Susanoo is. [
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]Hiraishin has a radius. As shown in my last post. If Nagato is absorbing Susanoo he is practically less than a meter away from Itachi, thus the tag on Itachi's body, thus Minato would teleport right to his general location and cut him down. Unless you can prove Nagato can somehow react to Hiraishin blitzes, there is no counter for this strategy.
Yes guys. Because reacting to FRS lets him react to a blitz from Minato which is so many more times faster than this point is even ridiculous to bring up in the first place. It's also hilarious how you attempt to compare him to the Raikage when Raikage not only reacted to FRS, but he effortlessly evaded it twice in a row despite the sun blinding him the first time, and it being a surprise/back attack the second time. Nagato has no reaction feat on that level.
And reacting to Jiraiya and B only shows me that you are grasping at straws now.
1. B was in Base, and he was in FREE FALL. How does reacting to a FREE FALLING guy translate to a reaction feat worth mentioning? :lol
2. SM Jiraiya isn't anywhere near the top when it comes to speed. He's not even on par with V1 Ay in that category let alone fast enough for us to start talking about reacting to him being a feat that lets Nagato react to Minato.
The rest is an irrelevant repeat of what I've already countered in this debate and literally every single time you try to argue it. You keep talking about Shinra Tensei's activation speed when it's activation speed is irrelevant if Nagato can't react, and you can't prove that he can react. Period. It's really that simple. Near instant ST activation=/=Near instant reactions.
Once again, if I used your logic, I'd be saying that Minato should easily react to Juubito with Hiraishin because:
-Lol Hiraishin is instant.
-Lol Juubito's attack isn't.
-Lol Minato reacts.
But Minato didn't react. He got cut before he could teleport. Reaction speed is the most important thing here, not the speed of his jutsu.
Then Minato and Itachi would just continue their assault, making this strategy nothing but a useless delay.
Because you are the one who decided to draw a chakra size comparison between Goemon of all things, and Susanoo. :lol The rest is a repeat of what I've already countered. Unless you actually think Nagato can absorb Susanoo and get away from Itachi before Minato can react, then you have no point. And if you do, then you'd be asked to provide evidence for the claim that Nagato can:
-Absorb the entirety of Susanoo.
-Get away from Itachi.
Before the guy who is fast enough to
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react to V2 Ay thinks and teleports.-Already posted a scan showing that Hiraishin has a radius. That ends this notion right here.
If you give Nagato other's feats, yeah, maybe.
Good luck when Itachi forcefully gets in his face. Either he counters or he dies, it's really that simple.
Let's hit up common sense real quick. Itachi had an illness, and it made his stamina shit. Not his chakra reserves, as you can't have pathetically low chakra reserves and use Susanoo after spamming the MS. Itachi had Susanoo (which takes loads of chakra to form and maintain) up till the moment he died. If he simply "ran out of chakra" and died, he wouldn't have had Susanoo up till the end, unless you think Itachi near zero reserves can form and maintain Susanoo. Not to mention he was coughing blood up before he died. Stamina.
What's even funnier is that Sasuke ran out of chakra before Itachi did, despite Itachi using Mangekyo while Sasuke only used his normal jutsu, Orochimaru's oral rebirth, and curse mark lvl 2 for a few seconds, using partial curse mark for a few minutes.
Yes. He used Susanoo for around 5 minutes, after spamming Amaterasu, using Katon and getting his Tsukuyomi broken which is only another hit to his stamina. Susanoo "rendered a healthy Sasuke to shit" because he spammed it during the Danzo fight, because he had to. Spam isn't necessary here nor will Itachi collapse before Nagato falls.
Because why? You say so? :lol. He can't react, period. At least not with the sub par argumentation you have put up for him reacting.
No, you think they could've, but when hit with Amaterasu they didn't.
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Instead they burned. Not sure why you are actually trying to argue against something that already happened in canon. :lol
Yes guys "summons can move around" thus Itachi will have a hard time hitting them with a technique that Ay needed his max speed to evade.
You are grasping at straws and it's evident here, given that your counter for Amaterasu on the summons is "they move around".That's not a wall, it's a stream of bubbles. If the clam fires it, it won't block Itachi's view of him, not to mention Itachi can just ignore it, block with Susanoo and then use Amaterasu on another summon who doesn't have an attack to block LoS in any way, shape or form.
The bird constantly moving is irrelevant. Unless it's moving faster than Ay it gets hit. I also thought that it was common sense that:
-Harder to do something=/=Evidence that he can't do it.
-Sharingan=/=Normal eyes.
-Sharingan predicts movement, only making it easier for him to zero in on
The fact you think a giant bird moving in the air from 30m
lol) is going to be too hard for Itachi, who has the Sharingan, to zero in on and hit with Amaterasu when Sharingan can follows faster things moving in more complex patterns is hilariously ridiculous if you ask me. I laugh at the 30m bit considering Cerberus was more than 30m away from Itachi yet he still hit it with Amaterasu.To BT Rasengan into Preta, he'd have to react to the initial Hiraishin blitz, which he cannot do. Fuuton and Suiton has been addressed by multiple strategies above.
Addressed above.
You mean two halves of a rock would damage Naruto? Who knows? But I can use the same logic and claim that the rock itself wouldn't have damaged him given his previous feats only for that to be rendered irrelevant since Naruto still tried to prevent himself from getting hit. Regardless of whether or not someone can tank something, getting hit is always something that they try to avoid. Shown by everyone who has had some kind of defensive power in this Manga.
And wrong again. Kakashi couldn't do shit because he had nothing that'd get him out of that situation due to using his trump right then and there. It's already been shown that movement is possible during Bansho Tennin.
Nope, it didn't, but all that means is that the range of the explosive wasn't enough to reach Sasuke after being bounced off of the shield. And Sasuke wouldn't be sent flying backwards like that nor would his sword be sent flying back like that from striking a shield with no reflective capabilities. The sheer fact that Sasuke's sword was sent spiraling in the air while Sasuke himself was sent flying straight to the ground ends any notion that something as large as CST's or a normal ST's force won't be bounced back at Nagato, especially the latter if Itachi gets in Nagato's face like I said he would.
Good thing this isn't just Itachi, meaning all other methods of taking out Itachi are completely useless since Minato would kill him if he tried it. Preta Path being the best example.
Yes. Obito realized what happened....AFTER Minato had blitzed him. Doesn't do much to help him or your argument.
Obito being surprised doesn't change the fact that when it came time to perceive the attack and react, he failed miserably. Nagato knowing that Minato can teleport doesn't mean that he can react. Not even sure where you are basing that off of, cause it seems like you are using Obito's complete and utter failure to react as evidence that Nagato can react.
:lol
His most powerful technique isn't a technique that consumes a lot of chakra, so I'm not even sure what point you think you are trying to make here. Not like this is relevant since the point you were originally trying to make literally makes zero sense since Naruto used no form of Shunshin on Nagato.
Stop using poor logic. "Know it's coming" doesn't change the fact that you still have to be able to react, and nothing you have posted proves that Nagato can react. Your only arguments are:
-Obito failed, so Nagato succeeds.
-B reacted, so Nagato reacts. (which is still flawed)
-Knows it's coming, so he automatically reacts.
Two completely different attacks.
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Minato had to put more force in his strike than usual to pierce through Ay's armor (hence the awkward stance where his hand is pressed on his kunai's back), which is why his Kunai slash was able to cut B's tentacle and leave a crater in the ground despite it just being a Kunai slash.
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He doesn't need that for a normal Kunai strike nor does he need that for a Rasengan. Thus the attack will be far quicker, just how it was against Obito in the War and back in Konoha. Though even if that was the fastest strike Minato could muster up, using B's feats for Nagato just because B's attack is slower than Nagato's attack is terrible logic since I can use the same shit for Obito and say that he should've used Kamui to revert to intangible mode after Minato teleported because:
"lol Kamui activation>>>>>>>>>>>>B using tentacle from 10m" away.
Yet he didn't, and I wonder why? Because he was too slow. Simple as that. The fact you'd be so desperate to claim that what B prevented was Minato's fastest attack, despite him blitzing Obito with an instant S/T Ninjutsu that lets him phase through things with a Rasengan pretty much shows me the low quality of this "Nagato reacts" point as a whole.
I'm just going to copy and paste what I said above, cause there's no reason for me to give this another reply.
The rest is an irrelevant repeat of what I've already countered in this debate and literally every single time you try to argue it. You keep talking about Shinra Tensei's activation speed when it's activation speed is irrelevant if Nagato can't react, and you can't prove that he can react. Period. It's really that simple. Near instant ST or any jutsu activation=/=Near instant reactions. People have been physically blitzed despite having techs that activate instantaneously with thought.
Once again, if I used your logic, I'd be saying that Minato should easily react to Juubito with Hiraishin because:
-Lol Hiraishin is instant.
-Lol Juubito's attack isn't.
-Lol Minato reacts.
Not to mention this nonsense is a flawed argument anyway.
Since when did KCM Naruto have faster striking speed than Naruto? More baseless claims I see? Since when did Nagato block a strike from Naruto anyway? Oh wait, since never. The only thing he did was react when Naruto first had to charge a Rasengan and then tried to hit Nagato with it.
Based on the amount he used on Ay, he probably has around 20 of them in his pack, but I've listed strategies to handle Fuuton and the newly mentioned Suiton spam above.
Uh? What? Why would B hit the chameleon? I said that Nagato most likely had the chameleon transport him to where B was flying. Never said he was on the chameleon while dealing with Killer B.
1. B goes flying.
2. Chameleon catches up with him.
3. Nagato gets out of chameleon's mouth and then catches B with Preta Path.
Why are you trying to argue that Nagato is lowkey a speedster
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Why are you hyping up a cripple's movement speed in the first place? Does that make any type of sense to you?Yes, force is force, but he obviously needs more force to fly upwards as he has to act against the downward force of gravity. Doesn't have to do that if he's moving forward or backward, and there is zero proof that his boosters are powerful enough to grant him actual flight.
That's obviously not a booster. :lol Asura Path THREW Animal Path. Where do you see any indication of a booster? :lol I'd love to see it.
No, Kishimoto portrayed it perfectly. "Didn't have time" is probably the most pathetic excuse you could bring to justify the claims you're making. It's just clowns who love to corrode what canon says because what it showed didn't meet their expectations. I'm sick of reading arguments with zero proof behind them. Period. Asura Path has shown to let Nagato summon 6 mechanical arms and 3 mechanical heads, and feet with boosters on them. Period. This isn't some Mr. Potato Face type shit where Nagato can make an arm on his belly, make a booster on his face, arm, leg, or whatever nonsense you and others love to imply when it comes to this, and things like this.
Inb4 you cry about the databook some more, DB states that it makes the body into a weapon, and that the user can change their shape at will. Nagato summoning multiple arms and faces is changing his shape. "Change his shape into whatever he wants" is just an extra point added on so you could continue with this hilariously weak argument.
The bold is not only a completely irrelevant attempt at grasping at straws, it's also 100% false. Do I have to bring DB entries where what was said in the Manga was literally the same as what was said in the DB?
-Totsuka is described as a spirit weapon with no form in the Manga, it is shown to seal what it pierces. DB says the same exact thing with no extra abilities.
And there's more, but this is an irrelevant point so I'm not going to waste time bringing some more. Until you have proof,
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is the limit of Asura Path. What was shown in canon. I'm not with that fanfiction nonsense.Lmfao, ironic we are talking about butthurt when it's clear who the butthurt one is.
Ok? :lol Addressed above.
He summons it. Period. He doesn't nor has he shown to configure it in any way he pleases. Nagato using Asura Attack (The name of the cannon) on his arm and his head only means that he can use Asura Attack on his arm and his head. Nothing more. So stop using that as an excuse to act like this is some game where Nagato can drop and drag any feature he wants onto any part of his body.
Nope. He fired it at a higher altitude as already stated, but not at an angle where it'd just crash into the ground. It followed Choji because it was fired at Choji. Only way it'd hit the ground if he fired it at a steep angle, which he didn't. Once again, Asura Path has never shown homing missiles.
-Assumption, assumption. :lol The bodily stats of these clones are exactly the same as long as he doesn't spread too much chakra out. Shown literally every single time Naruto uses clones. The only thing that could differ would be Shunshin, but that's irrelevant here.
-Multiple missiles that are still too slow to catch Minato and too weak to get past Susanoo. Then we have S/T Barrier. Weak point is clearly weak. Just drop the missiles. Not sure why you would attempt to use missiles as a counterargument against a teleporter with a magic barrier anyway.
Minato blocks the first with S/T Barrier or Itachi blocks with Susanoo, and Nagato has to actually make it to them first, but he won't with Itachi and Minato in his way.
:lol This is practically Edo Nagato w/o the Edo and w/ mobility. Paths are long dead by that point in canon. Not to mention he needs rods in his back if he wants to control them (Please don't reference Obito again as Obito's control>Nagato's control as stated in canon) And even then, he'd have to channel his abilities into them, thus he won't be able to use them himself.
Minato has access to each and every toad in Mount Myoboku. Though he only needs one here.
Yes, because Minato and Itachi will sit there sipping tea while Nagato rushes at the toads. :lol Itachi and Minato easily block his path, forcing him to either blow them away with Shinra Tensei or try and go around them. The latter isn't happening with two people faster than you, and if he uses Shinra Tensei, he exposes himself long enough for Minato to take him out, not to mention Itachi's mirror would reflect it.
I said no outside markings. :lol This one is literally on the battlefield. You should be glad I even switched up the conditions at all after the debate had started.
But he will.
Good, now let me teach you how to read the Manga and the Databook.
-DB states that damage comes from a combination of the initial force and the impact. That doesn't mean that the damage from the initial force is enough to kill or do any serious damage.
-Manga shows
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(No damage received until they hit the ground, or at least no damage that'd be anywhere near life threatening), and
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taking no serious damage from getting hit by Shinra Tensei. They all took major damage when they hit the ground. So can we please cut the BS out and stop trying to argue against what was already shown? Please and thank you. :lolWhen you can show me any variant of Shinra Tensei doing any sort of damage to the target before the ground was hit then we can talk, because I have manga panels that end your point.
It does matter, it matters plenty.
Sounds foolish. Itachi isn't a sensor, so yeah. Minato is. There is no "sense well enough". Either you can sense or you don't when it comes to feeling chakra. Better sensors only start to feel chakra from further away, or they can learn more details from sensing one's chakra than a novice sensor can note.
So unless your next post proves why Minato can't sense chakra, don't bother trying to address this point. What's even funnier is that you probably made this claim based on literally nothing but your opinion.
Them being near Nagato doesn't change the fact that CST is far from instant, as shown by the panels literally depicting it traveling throughout the village.
So? The shockwave started at the center and spread out till it wiped out the whole village. If the shockwave is only coming towards them and not any other area, then it's a directional attack. If it's spreading out throughout the whole entire village then it is a widespread CST. Period. The scenario you yourself put Nagato in is no different from the scenario Deva Path was in when he nuked the village. Only difference is, the force will either spread out all across the crater, or it will only come in one direction. It is not instant or anywhere close to that speed, and it creates a shockwave. Shown. In. CANON. So Minato easily sees it coming and then that's a wrap for this attack. It's tanked or dodged.
Shinra Tensei pushes things back. If it were to hit someone or something it'd push that attack right back at the person. So yes, Shinra Tensei CAN reflect Ninjutsu, but it all depends on the jutsu in question. Yata Mirror has already reflected things in canon, the only issue was the distance between Sasuke and the Mirror when the explosions went off, and the size of the explosion itself.
Already posted scans of the shockwave. It being directional means that there is no shockwave in all directions. Not that there is no shockwave period when the shockwave only comes about due to the amount and size of the force used in the first place, and due to the environment they are in.
Addressed way too many times.
What in the hell? How would Nagato force Minato to retreat TOWARDS him when the whole point of a retreat is to get away from enemy? If he were going to place a marking, he'd be going in the complete opposite direction Nagato is located. How is Nagato going to force him to retreat right there?
Nothing, but considering there is a marking on Minato's stone statue, it doesn't really matter if he tries to use CST when Minato starts to set his markings up, not to mention if it's a widespread CST Itachi tanks it. If it's a focused one then Minato simply evades by teleporting to any random kunai that he set up from the start of the battle.
Nice try though.
The body IS the flock of crows, thus the marking would be on one of the crows after they all split up.
Except you assumed (like you did with half of the stuff in your post) that he'd have to mark a single crow.
-Kunai have been addressed.
-If he blocks with a summon then Itachi toasts it and they rinse and repeat.
-If he moves backwards he gets caught since he's not faster than Itachi in any way, shape or form.
-If he uses Shinra Tensei then Minato takes him out during the cooldown.
-If he uses Asura Path, then Minato would simply block all explosions with the S/T Barrier.
-Addressed.
-Your evidence is shoddy.
-Why would he carry Itachi
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?-The crows are controlled by Itachi and the Kunai's destination is based on where Minato throws it. If the marking is in front of Nagato, and Itachi teleports to that marking, he will be right in front of Nagato. That simple.
Addressed multiple times above. The last part with CST is useless since you can't nor have you proven that Nagato can react. The rest has been addressed as well.
Match ends with Minato killing Nagato. Either by using Itachi and Susanoo to get the marking near him, or by tossing it in the areas where his Fuuton won't reach.
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Lmfaoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo knew you were going to try and play in the markings even though we agree'd otherwise, as in you can't win without them.
I clearly said I forgot the mountain was NOT destroyed only reason I didn't immediately put a stop to those conditions, had I remembered obviously I would have not allowed it.
not to mention I was on vacation and was just coming on to get this started with you, skimmed over that shit.
I clearly said I forgot the mountain was NOT destroyed only reason I didn't immediately put a stop to those conditions, had I remembered obviously I would have not allowed it.
not to mention I was on vacation and was just coming on to get this started with you, skimmed over that shit.
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I didn't agree to shit. I agreed that outside markings would not be used. That marking is not outside nor is it in another location thus I have no reason to remove it nor do you have the right to whine about it especially when you only got in this position because you decided not to read before you replied and agreed to the conditions in the first place. You mention you being on vacation as if it's my problem. :lol
Technically I shouldn't have changed the conditions despite you complaining on the first page since my first post had already been made and because I wouldn't have suggested the match up w/o those conditions in the first place, so please let's not start the foolishness. Even if I did restrict it, the outcome of this match or this debate will not change as I added multiple strategies since I foresaw your complaining. Mainly why the bold makes you sound dumb as all hell.
Don't try me. :lol But disregard if you want, because when I win after letting you change the conditions not once, but twice mid debate, it'll only make it that much better....
For me anyway.
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Not to mention everyone else thinks it was a stomp regardless.
Outside means outside the ****ing battlegrounds, is the mountain WITHIN The crater? No it is ****ing not.
What an arrogant move, whatever it only counters CT and I don't need CT to win. So by all means keep them.
Me being on vacation isn't your problem but me trying to be courtious and give you the ok quickly on the debate instead of keeping you waiting was MY decision I didn't think you'd play me with god awful conditions you said nothing about when first giving me the matchup.
KidGamer65
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Your point? My bold referred to my post, which used the MARKINGS OUTSIDE OF THE VILLAGE AND ALL AROUND NV. Period. You keep whining about "markings" "keep them" when in reality it's one marking that's already on the battlefield.
OUTSIDE MARKINGS. As in outside the battlefield. The setting is Konoha crater. The Mountain is right above the crater. You sound extra foolish saying it's not in the battlefield because it's not literally inside the crater. Hell, it's not even above the crater, it
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. So tell us more about how it's not in the location. So tell me more about how you got played. Stop acting like a tard. And are you serious right now? Now I'm 100% sure you are only acting like a fool because you realized you can't counter.
1. You weren't acting like this before my second and third post despite it including ALL markings from outside.
2. Now you are trying to tell me and everyone else that "I said nothing about these conditions when I first gave the matchup" when me, and the rest of the people who've been on my wall know that's a lie.
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I find it pretty funny that you somehow managed to read the location, but somehow missed the entire conditions section when it's right below the location section, and when you gave me two (my bad, I meant three) more replies after that. :lol And somehow Itachi being healthy isn't something that surprises you despite you not reading the conditions. Same thing with Nagato being mobile instead of just healthy. :lol :lol :lol
What's hilarious is that you keep whining and moaning about how I "played" you when in reality you should of read before you decided to reply. Get that courteous BS out of here. What's courteous is giving a response to someone's question AFTER YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT HAS BEEN SAID. What's equally hilarious is that you are still crying when I already told you can do what you please.
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No ones crying :lol just don't say you won't use them when you do like I said I can easily win this with or without them.
I saw the location and stopped reading :lol,
I'm not giving you any more reason for you to turn into a ***** i'm not whining you boasted about how you could win without them now you need them, stop trying to switch up your wording to save face.
I'll shit on your terrible post anyways later :lol like honestly thats some of the worst i've seen from you.
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There's nothing to switch up. I said I don't need outside markings to win, and I didn't use them. If your head is too far up your ass to realize what the term outside means, do me a favor and stop crying like a little *****, talking about how i failed to mention the condition when in reality your clown ass didnt read, or so you claim. Frankly it's pathetic and annoying.
And your opinion on my post isn't relevant since I already know you are just acting like a little whiny brat for reasons that are completely your fault and because I've argued with you too many times in the past for me to feel threatened in any way, shape or form... Get the **** out of your feelings and make a post that isn't full of shit for once before you end up looking like unorthodox after our debate was judged.
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My posts are shit but you've had to reach deeper than you originally thought you would huh, this has turned into something a far cry from your post being the "only and final post of the debate"
Don't underestimate me scrub
No ones crying, just corny how you switched up...too bad it really is quite useless anyways.
Also when you agreed we were talking about pre-existing seals in general, I clearly brought up the fact that I thought the mountain was destroyed.
Whatever, if i'm schooling you with my head up my ass it only makes it that much worse for you.
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I dont really give two shits about what you forgot. You complained about the outside markings thus I removed it from my post. Period. I never once said that I won't use a marking already on the field. So please stop going about me switching up when in reality I didn't. You're just being an illiterate little child who complained about the conditions not once, but twice, and even went as far as to claim that I never told you about them. Lol if you are going to lie, make sure I can't prove you wrong with a screenshot.
Only reason this debate is still a debate is because you whined about the original condition, thus I had to edit my post. The only reason this debate is a debate is because the two most important points of your argument hinge on fanfiction, twisting and misinterpretation of Canon, and wank.
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Lmfao you're so mad for no reason.
When you first gave me the matchup you said (im too lazy to screen)
KCN Minato and Edo Itachi V.S Nagato Or normal versions V.S Nagato
I agreed to that then you sent me the details without asking me what they should be btw which is something you're supposed to do, and slipped in conditions when I didn't think you would. Saw that you tried cheating me with a location (I guess you did it twice really) and stopped reading.
But whatever I don't care, if my arguments turn to (un canon, wank and misunterprations ) because they prove you wrong then so be it.
Don't bother answering with your whiny name calling butt hurt mood :lol I wasn't butt hurt I was merely stating that you switched up.
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You legit can't be serious. :lol The more you whine about me switching up when in reality I didn't, the stupider and stupider you begin to sound. I have no reason to be mad. I'm only irritated because you are here bitching at me because what you thought was going to happen didn't happen.
This right here is probably why your the biggest fool I've encountered today. Can we please stop trying to blame others for not reading when in reality it's your own ass's fault. Shit is honestly pretty ****ing hilarious.
1. I suggested a bunch of match ups.
2. You picked this one.
3. I provided the details and asked "These Good?"
So get that "Slipped in" "made details without asking you" bullshit out of here when in reality you are only complaining now because you need to in order to stand a chance of winning. And don't give me that "I didn't read past location" bullshit either.
Then I asked you what location you wanted, you sent 2 or 3 more VMs, and you even asked when we should start (despite you trying to play it off like you never read the conditions in the first place) and only now are you whining about the conditions of the match. :lol You sound so stupid that I can't even begin to fathom it. No one was trying to cheat anyone here. You just didn't/can't read. It's really that simple.
Please stop being an immature ass kid. Please stop with the ingenuous false accusations. Do I have to screenshot your dumbass AGAIN? I hope not.
This right here is probably why your the biggest fool I've encountered today. Can we please stop trying to blame others for not reading when in reality it's your own ass's fault. Shit is honestly pretty ****ing hilarious.
1. I suggested a bunch of match ups.
2. You picked this one.
3. I provided the details and asked "These Good?"
So get that "Slipped in" "made details without asking you" bullshit out of here when in reality you are only complaining now because you need to in order to stand a chance of winning. And don't give me that "I didn't read past location" bullshit either.
Then I asked you what location you wanted, you sent 2 or 3 more VMs, and you even asked when we should start (despite you trying to play it off like you never read the conditions in the first place) and only now are you whining about the conditions of the match. :lol You sound so stupid that I can't even begin to fathom it. No one was trying to cheat anyone here. You just didn't/can't read. It's really that simple.
Please stop being an immature ass kid. Please stop with the ingenuous false accusations. Do I have to screenshot your dumbass AGAIN? I hope not.
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Oh what is that? Yes, it's me telling Zexion my initial thoughts for the details of the match up, and then me clearly asking him "THESE GOOD?". (Yet we have Zexion acting like someone tried to cheat him by forcefully making the conditions of the matchup without his knowledge, as if that's even possible, as if that'd make sense when I posted it on his wall instead of just making the thread without his consent, as if it's necessary given the content of his posts.)
Oh what is that? Yes, it's Zexion replying to me 3 more times after I posted the details of the match and asked him if they were good or not. It's also Zexion asking me "WHEN CAN WE START THE DEBATE" even though now he wants to try and act like he didn't read the entirety of my post that had the details on it. So either he's lying (obviously) or he was ready to start the debate without reading the conditions and restrictions. Yet he shows no surprise to anything else in the conditions. Then he wants to act like the victim.
:lol :lol I can't deal with some people sometimes. :lol :lol Like I said, if you are going to be a clown and try to lie, make sure I can't prove you wrong with a screenshot.
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No dignity U_U. Atleast make a counter argument before *****ing. Let the judges give their verdict.
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I was gonna say team 1 babyshake stomps. But then I saw Lord Zexion was debating, therefore Nagato wins
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Disagree here. Minato alone can't beat Nagato.