Indra Had Sage Mode?

[Megatolium]

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If you think about it, the only way Indra could've battled with his brother who had Six Paths Sage Mode is to use Senjutsu of a sort. Also I dont think Indra had Six Paths Sage Mode, since he only inherited his fathers eyes.

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I think its pretty clear that the only way to counter Six Paths Sage Mode is using senjutsu. Thoughts?

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Maybe Rinnegan can also counter Gudou Dama and Six Paths Sage Mode. Think about it, Sasuke with Rinnegan was able to touch and pull out the Rinne Black Rods, something Sage Mode users could only do. I could be wrong there.

OR

Indra used the Bijuus to fight against Ashura. Which is kinda reminiscent of Madara using Kurama and Sasuke using all the Bijuu's.

 

[TenseiganFTW]

Senjutsu or Kamui,since he was a Uchiha with MS or EMS,he s
Could've had the Kamui,or any another hacked ability.

Your point can be correct but not sure.
Good point!

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

No he didn't. Gudou Dama's are only immune to everything but Senjutsu if the user can use Omnyoudon, which we don't know if Ashura could do.

 

[Megatolium]

No he didn't. Gudou Dama's are only immune to everything but Senjutsu if the user can use Omnyoudon, which we don't know if Ashura could do.

Clearly we see Ashura with Six Paths Sage Mode and Gudou Dama.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Clearly we see Ashura with Six Paths Sage Mode and Gudou Dama.

Gudou Dama and Omnyoudon are clearly different. An inexperienced Gudou Dama used like Mindless JJ Obito wasn't able to use Omnyoudon, which is why Hiruzen still exists. There's no proof that Ashura was able to use Omnyoudon.

 

[Megatolium]

Gudou Dama and Omnyoudon are clearly different. An inexperienced Gudou Dama used like Mindless JJ Obito wasn't able to use Omnyoudon, which is why Hiruzen still exists. There's no proof that Ashura was able to use Omnyoudon.

True. But it doesn't take away the fact it requires senjutsu to defeat senjutsu. If Indra wants to do some sort of damage he needs senjutsu against Six Paths Sage Mode.

 

[BlacLord™]

Senjutsu isn't the only way.

It was stated that inherited his father's powerful Rikudō chakra too; which is another, better counter than standard senjutsu.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

True. But it doesn't take away the fact it requires senjutsu to defeat senjutsu. If Indra wants to do some sort of damage he needs senjutsu against Six Paths Sage Mode.

No, he doesn't. The Senjutsu weakness was only ever thought of because Obito could block anything else with Gudou Dama. But when Madara lost his Gudou Dama, we see that RSM users can absolutely be harmed without Senjutsu.

Hell, even Obito was harmed before by a non SM attack. When Naruto and Sasuke teleport the Amaterasu Rasenshuriken into him, after the smoke clears you can see the part of his body that was hit steaming as if he was regenerating.

Now, don't post the scan of Obito getting hit by the SM Rasengan, because that did as little damage as the Rasenshuriken, and the only difference was that we saw the Rasengans effects sooner.

 

[BlacLord™]

No, he doesn't. The Senjutsu weakness was only ever thought of because Obito could block anything else with Gudou Dama. But when Madara lost his Gudou Dama, we see that RSM users can absolutely be harmed without Senjutsu.

Hell, even Obito was harmed before by a non SM attack. When Naruto and Sasuke teleport the Amaterasu Rasenshuriken into him, after the smoke clears you can see the part of his body that was hit steaming as if he was regenerating.

Now, don't post the scan of Obito getting hit by the SM Rasengan, because that did as little damage as the Rasenshuriken, and the only difference was that we saw the Rasengans effects sooner.

Senjutsu/Rikudō chakra is needed to make viable damage to a Juubi Jin.

The Kagustuchi Rasenshuriken did less damage than the deep wound left by the standard SM Rasengan. You can see he difference and even if you want to deny it, Obito went out of his way to out up extra defence after being hit by the Rasengan but wasn't bothered enough by the Rasenshuriken to do so.

 

[Megatolium]

Senjutsu or Kamui,since he was a Uchiha with MS or EMS,he s
Could've had the Kamui,or any another hacked ability.

Your point can be correct but not sure.
Good point!

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Senjutsu/Rikudō chakra is needed to make viable damage to a Juubi Jin.

The Kagustuchi Rasenshuriken did less damage than the deep wound left by the standard SM Rasengan. You can see he difference and even if you want to deny it, Obito went out of his way to out up extra defence after being hit by the Rasengan but wasn't bothered enough by the Rasenshuriken to do so.

Well, Ashura isn't a Juubi Jinchiriki and can't regenerate. So a super ultra mega Rikudou Senjutsu enhanced hyper death laser will do as much damage as a regular bullet. So all indra would have to do is hit him until he died, with boring old normal attacks.

 

[Megatolium]

Well, Ashura isn't a Juubi Jinchiriki and can't regenerate. So a super ultra mega Rikudou Senjutsu enhanced hyper death laser will do as much damage as a regular bullet. So all indra would have to do is hit him until he died, with boring old normal attacks.

Ashura had Six Paths Sage Mode. That's almost the same as being the Juubi Jinchuuriki. They both give the user ninjutsu resistance and Gudou Dama. And according to the Databook 4, they are pretty much the same.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Ashura had Six Paths Sage Mode. That's almost the same as being the Juubi Jinchuuriki. They both give the user ninjutsu resistance and Gudou Dama. And according to the Databook 4, they are pretty much the same.

Why am i arguing as to which Ootsutsuki would win in a fight anyway? They can both burn in hell for all i care.

Anyway, RSM and Juubi Jinchuriki are fundamentally different. Being a juubi jinchuriki grants RSM, as well as Regeneration. Gudou Dama are the only reason that Juubi Jinchuriki's were ever supposed to be weak to Senjutsu, as non Senjutsu attacks are able to damage them easily enough. If Ashura cannot use Omnyoudon in his Gudou Dama's, then Senjutsu is not required to defeat him.

 

[Megatolium]

Why am i arguing as to which Ootsutsuki would win in a fight anyway? They can both burn in hell for all i care.

Anyway, RSM and Juubi Jinchuriki are fundamentally different. Being a juubi jinchuriki grants RSM, as well as Regeneration. Gudou Dama are the only reason that Juubi Jinchuriki's were ever supposed to be weak to Senjutsu, as non Senjutsu attacks are able to damage them easily enough. If Ashura cannot use Omnyoudon in his Gudou Dama's, then Senjutsu is not required to defeat him.

Also very important to mention, Six Paths Sage Mode gives the user understanding of all things including Omnyoudon without them even being aware of it. How else did Naruto just use Omnyoudon to shape the Gudou Dama as he pleases?

 

[V h o]

Might as well give it to him, sage mode certainly isnt tied to ashura line.

 

[SenseiSama]

He had Rikudou chakra which is a variant of Senjutsu and as a child of the a Jinchuuriki his chakra was also influenced by the Juubi. He must have had Senjutsu in excessive amounts that his body developed pigmentation as a side effect. It also explains Sasuke and Madara's ability to easily control Senjutsu.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Also very important to mention, Six Paths Sage Mode gives the user understanding of all things including Omnyoudon without them even being aware of it. How else did Naruto just use Omnyoudon to shape the Gudou Dama as he pleases?

Now we are getting into "Temari blows away the universe" territories. For a start, Omnyoudon and Shaping Gudou dama are different things. We know that Mindless JJ Obito didn't have Omnyoudon, because he didn't kill hiruzen, but he could still use Gudou Dama as more than just spheres.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

No, Indra did not have Sage Mode. And neither did he need Sage Mode to fight RSM.

 

[SenseiSama]

Well, Ashura isn't a Juubi Jinchiriki and can't regenerate. So a super ultra mega Rikudou Senjutsu enhanced hyper death laser will do as much damage as a regular bullet. So all indra would have to do is hit him until he died, with boring old normal attacks.

Hagoromo already stated Ashura inherited his body, Uzumaki have Gedo traits, Senju have the Juubi's KKG, he was shown using RSM avatar in addition to TSB, therefore Ashura had the body of a JuubiJin. Btw Hashirama, Naruto and Uzumaki have all shown the ability to regenerate so you can't deny that Ashura had the capability of regenerating.

 

[Megatolium]

Now we are getting into "Temari blows away the universe" territories. For a start, Omnyoudon and Shaping Gudou dama are different things. We know that Mindless JJ Obito didn't have Omnyoudon, because he didn't kill hiruzen, but he could still use Gudou Dama as more than just spheres.

Thats because mindless Obito was just a marble rolling in a tin can.

Point is, Six Paths Sage Mode grants the user mastery of all things including Onmyoudon. And it requires senjutsu of any sort to counter. Which Indra had to have.