[VS] Edo Rinnegan Madara vs BM Naruto

[Apêx1]

Location: Grassy Field
Distance: 20 meters
Restrictions: Edo Regeneration/Edo chakra, Mokujin
Intel: None
Minset: In Character
Intent: Kill

Scenario 2: This is BSM Naruto

Edit: This is now 100% Kurama inside Naruto for both scenario's

 

[Chaosmark101]

Madara wins SC1, Naruto SC2
Also whadya mean by Edo chakra? Wouldn't that mean Edo Madara would have no chakra?

Edit:Naruto Wins SC2 only if he has full kyuubi

 

[ARGUS]

Madara mid/high diffs first scenario
Naruto can possibly win scenario 2 depending on the Sm boost

 

[Apêx1]

Madara wins SC1, Naruto SC2
Also whadya mean by Edo chakra? Wouldn't that mean Edo Madara would have no chakra?

I meant it as in he doesn't get the infinite chakra Edo grants, he has the same reserves he had at VOTE2. Had to specify this since some people think Edo regen is strictly concerning physical damage.

 

[Zee U]

Madara wins scenario 1 low difficulty, once BM is used PS comes out and it's a gg. Outcome remains the same in S2, albeit on a higher difficulty of course. Don't see intel being a huge factor in this matchup.

 

[Apêx1]

Madara wins scenario 1 low difficulty, once BM is used PS comes out and it's a gg. Outcome remains the same in S2, albeit on a higher difficulty of course. Don't see intel being a huge factor in this matchup.

It's in character though, do you believe Naruto can somehow beat Madara before the constructs are pulled out, because PS/BM will always be the last things they pull out. Madara vs Hashirama lasted like 20 hours before they pulled out the avatars. Madara shat all over the Gokage before he used PS. Naruto vs Sasuke was initially normal until Sasuke decided to prematurely pull out his PS. The intial phases of a fight will always be irrelevant to chakra constructs. Do you think Naruto can beat him before that with his clones, Shunshin and huge AOE ninjutsu?

 

[Zee U]

It's in character though, do you believe Naruto can somehow beat Madara before the constructs are pulled out, because PS/BM will always be the last things they pull out. Madara vs Hashirama lasted like 20 hours before they pulled out the avatars. Madara shat all over the Gokage before he used PS. Naruto vs Sasuke was initially normal until Sasuke decided to prematurely pull out his PS. The intial phases of a fight will always be irrelevant to chakra constructs. Do you think Naruto can beat him before that with his clones, Shunshin and huge AOE ninjutsu?

I don't think so. Madara's Choku Tomoe lets him react effortlessly to linear attacks such as Naruto's Sunshin (which he normally doesn't use at the beginning of a fight), and once he sees that he has got big guns and numbers (he pulled V2 when Base Naruto used COR didn't he?) he will play safe, manifesting lower Susanoo levels to not risk damage from attacks in his blindspots. As the fight progresses Naruto would use stronger and stronger attacks forcing Madara to do so, leveling up to V4/legged V3/using Mokuton/Tengai Shinsei to test his opponent like he usually does. At that point i figure Naruto would either go BM or use partial transformation, which would lead to BM usage anyway. Madara would counter with PS, and well, he wins.

I can't possibly think of a scenario where this fight wouldn't end with PS/BM. Madara is just so smart Naruto can't simply go ham with COFRS, hordes of clones and finish the fight like that. He was shown to always counter accordingly to his opponent's attacks.

 

[DHOH]

Madara wins both

 

[Kagustuchi]

Naruto takes it High Diff in S1, difficulty decreases in S2

 

[Beans2]

Madara wins 1 loses 2

 

[Vanto]

Assuming 100%Kurama, well, Naruto loses when Madara pulls out PS. The same Kyuubi couldn't destroy it with a Bijuudama, a Renzoku or charged could damage it or even destroy it but Naruto won't have enough time to charge up his attack, otherwise, I see Madara winning for reasons mentioned above.

BSM Naruto would win tho, he could probably force Madara to pulls out PS and will then use a Senjutsu-enhanced Renzoku Bijuudama to destroy or, likely, damage it. He's faster too, it isn't a low-diff/neg by any means tho.

 

[Apêx1]

I don't think so. Madara's Choku Tomoe lets him react effortlessly to linear attacks such as Naruto's Sunshin (which he normally doesn't use at the beginning of a fight), and once he sees that he has got big guns and numbers (he pulled V2 when Base Naruto used COR didn't he?) he will play safe, manifesting lower Susanoo levels to not risk damage from attacks in his blindspots. As the fight progresses Naruto would use stronger and stronger attacks forcing Madara to do so, leveling up to V4/legged V3/using Mokuton/Tengai Shinsei to test his opponent like he usually does. At that point i figure Naruto would either go BM or use partial transformation, which would lead to BM usage anyway. Madara would counter with PS, and well, he wins.

I can't possibly think of a scenario where this fight wouldn't end with PS/BM. Madara is just so smart Naruto can't simply go ham with COFRS, hordes of clones and finish the fight like that. He was shown to always counter accordingly to his opponent's attacks.

His Gunbai can pretty much replace his v1 Susano seeing as it's a very effective defence. Anyways, Naruto using larger scale ninjutsu would just end up with those jutsu getting absorbed via Preta, no need for Susano. Although I'll agree that PS will eventually win it. I'm just trying to show you that low diff is rather far fetched if Madara is incapable of shitting on Naruto without using his most powerful techniques.

Naruto takes it High Diff in S1, difficulty decreases in S2

How?

 

[EZQ]

Madara wins in S1 definitely. Wood dragon was already giving Naruto trouble, and never did madara pull out PS on that fight.

BSM Naruto is a problem tough, the power difference between BSM and BM is not very specified. We do know that Madara's PS >>> Sasuke's (pre-Rikudo power ups). And naruto's BSM avatar was portrayed to be equal with sasuke's Kiuuby cloak boosted CM legged susano / sasuke's small PS. So its a tough one.

Madara wins both imo, unless the boost between BM and BSM is great enough to put kurama avatar on Madara's susano level.

 

[ARGUS]

Naruto takes it High Diff in S1, difficulty decreases in S2

Explain
Because There's no way bm Naruto wins

 

[Lord Tywin]

Full Kurama Naruto wins
Half Kurama loses.

 

[Blunt]

Mokuryu wraps Naruto up than Madara drops a meteor on him. (Never mind, didn't see no regeneration restriction). Only applies if he can regenerate.

- Naruto isn't busting PS, and multiple successive strikes bust his avatar. Bijuudama get repelled via ST, and or outright tanked.
-Naruto's clones are seen right through, and decimated by PS.
-Preta absorbs any Ninjutsu variants bar TBB.

Madara wins both, handily. In character or not.


If they choose to not use contructs, Madara still has his Gunbai, and also Preta Path, which absorb any and all Ninjutsu or redirect dependant on what's used. Madara's Choku Tomoe allows him to react to Naruto's speed, and effectively counter.

 

[KidGamer65]

Madara wins both scenarios. Beats BM mid diff and beats BSM mid-high diff.

 

[Haizaki]

Mokuryu wraps Naruto up than Madara drops a meteor on him.

- Naruto isn't busting PS, and multiple successive strikes bust his avatar. Bijuudama get repelled via ST, and or outright tanked.

-Naruto's clones are seen right through, and decimated by PS.

- Preta absorbs any Ninjutsu variants bar TBB.

Madara wins both, handily.

2 problems with this strategy.

- Naruto can counter WD like this

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- BD being repelled? He'll most likely pull that out while Madara is using PS. That's his full power so switching to ST most likely won't happen before the explosion takes place. Multiple would eventually get through his PS.

Naruto takes it in my opinion.

 

[Blunt]

2 problems with this strategy.

- Naruto can counter WD like this

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- BD being repelled? He'll most likely pull that out while Madara is using PS. That's his full power so switching to ST most likely won't happen before the explosion takes place. Multiple would eventually get through his PS.

Naruto takes it in my opinion.

Naruto is not going to land multiple TBB, Madara will be on the assault, therefore he's being cleaved by Mountain level slashes in the entirety of the fight. Not to mention BD can be interrupted by a shockwave, or outright exploded on contact. It took the combined force of Chojo and 12 Bijudama to destroy his PS anyway, so a barrage is only doing moderate damage here at the very worst.

A directed, focused ST is most certainly capable of repelling a BD used by Madara, he's on another level compared to Nagato.

Good point on Mokuryu, but that takes time.

 

[Apêx1]

Why can't TBB be absorbed via Preta?