Kabuto and Deidara vs Gaara and Onoki

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Location: Turtle Island ( , excluding barrier for aerial battle)

Intel: Manga

Restrictions: Sage Mode, Manda 2, and Edo Tensei.

S2: Manda 2 unrestricted.
 

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Wow, Kabuto is so restricted. Team 2 should actually stomp this.
 

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Realistically speaking this is Gaara and Onoki vs Deidara.
Team 2 stomps, those 3 take flight to the air and start going
at it, while Kabuto watches from below; as he waits his turn
to get tag teamed.

Unless Deidara blows them all up, I guess.
 

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Is this another way of wanking Kabuto?
 

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Realistically speaking this is Gaara and Onoki vs Deidara.
Team 2 stomps, those 3 take flight to the air and start going
at it, while Kabuto watches from below; as he waits his turn
to get tag teamed.

Unless Deidara blows them all up, I guess.

1. Did you forget that Deidara has Bushins? Creating a second brid, or have a Bushin be his transportation isnt a problem.

2. Kabuto has wide range genjutsu


Wow, Kabuto is so restricted. Team 2 should actually stomp this.

How?
 

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the db statement of kabutos abilities of sound 5/taka being affiliated with SM
Makes base kabuto quite weaker than what he should have been

With that being said
Gaara and onoki win
 

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Take off Kabuto's restrictions, Gaara > Kabuto even without them. Summons are the only thing that would prove to be a problem for Gaara in a 1v1. Anyhow:

Team 2 takes. Jinton > Summons, and any type of C3 - C4 Deidara decides to throw @ them. Gaara is the best support in the manga. Deidara, and/or Kabuto would not be going aerial. Even so, the whole playing field becomes a giant desert in seconds/minutes.

Sand sensing passive scattering allows Gaara to indirectly accumulate sand onto his opponents, and with sand he can do anything as he said against Kimimaro. Sand sensing -> sand burial once enough is accumulated, and no they cannot escape sand sensing it's literally millions of small grains of sand.

Gaara is to OP honestly.
 

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There is actually dense forestry on Turtle island; for this to be it therefore means there must be large quantities of soil present, all of which can be manipulated by Gaara to form sand. Kabuto is a non Factor, he's not getting near Onooki or Gaara. Also, Tayuya's Genjutsu is so weak that even after hearing the sound it takes some time to actually have an effect on the target. Shikamaru was able to maneuver his body, look around and even throw a Kunai after hearing the sound before it took full effect. That's more than enough time for Gaara to crush Kabuto or deflect the sound with a Sand Tsunami. I'll agree with Ripple Hole and Beans that the restrictions on Kabuto make him a non-factor in this matchup. Kimmimaro's abilities are also non-factors as Gaara can take to the skies and manipulate the sand on the ground to crush Kabuto. Nothing else in Kabuto's arsenal will pose any serious threat. Gaara can use the large quantities of Sand to enter into Manda II's Oral cavity as well as it's Nasal cavity and use it to block it's breathing passage until it suffocates and reverse summons. This is only one alternative of many. Deidara will be overwhelmed and will be caught off Guard by Onooki's Jinton; something he possesses no defense against and will die at the very moment his body is disintegrated to molecular dust.
 
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Take off Kabuto's restrictions, Gaara > Kabuto even without them. Summons are the only thing that would prove to be a problem for Gaara in a 1v1. Anyhow:

Team 2 takes. Jinton > Summons, and any type of C3 - C4 Deidara decides to throw @ them. Gaara is the best support in the manga. Deidara, and/or Kabuto would not be going aerial. Even so, the whole playing field becomes a giant desert in seconds/minutes.

Sand sensing passive scattering allows Gaara to indirectly accumulate sand onto his opponents, and with sand he can do anything as he said against Kimimaro. Sand sensing -> sand burial once enough is accumulated, and no they cannot escape sand sensing it's literally millions of small grains of sand.

Gaara is to OP honestly.
*coooough*
 

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You want this work fam? Throw some shots. :cool:

You'd probably beat me though :c
But anyway, I'll give a couple thoughts.
DB states Kabuto has access to all of Orochimaru's techniques. How do you propose Gaara stop Manda II in addition to Kabuto's version of Yamata-no-Orochi? Not only that, but Kabuto should've inherited the basic Kage Bunshin Jutsu from Orochimaru as well. With Manda II, Kabuto's Hydra, and a few Kage Bunshins on the ground, wouldn't you agree Kabuto has his chances?

Then there's the basic Hakugeki, which without Intel could lead to Gaara's death. If Gaara were to block with Sand, it could give Kabuto the time needed to activate Kimimaro's Bracken Dance or Tayuya's Mugen Ōnsa. Of course, if Gaara is a perfect Jin in this scenario, Sanbi could break him out of Mugen Ōnsa. However that may not matter depending on the distance Kabuto could close between them.
Then there's Senjutsu-enhanced Fuuton (from Orochimaru's arsenal) he can use if things get too hairy. Such as the sand surrounding him.
I don't know too much about Gaara tbh and I just got off work. So really my main points are the first ones about the snakes and the Kage Bunshins.

But if you do stomp through all of that, Edo Tensei fuck you
 

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You want this work fam? Throw some shots. :cool:

Muki Tensei > Gaara honestly. Kabuto useshis life force to control the sand and turn it against Gaara.
 

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Finally some debating.

the db statement of kabutos abilities of sound 5/taka being affiliated with SM
Makes base kabuto quite weaker than what he should have been

With that being said
Gaara and onoki win

@Bold, I dont blame you for thinking that. Im still on the 50/50. Base on the fact that 1. DB also states Gate God (Hashirama) is senjutsu despite manga showed a base form and 2.) Every Human SM user had shown a base form of their senjutsu ability. 3.) Orochimaru[ ] and Hashirama were capable of mustering up Senjutsu chakra despite one not being able to go SM and the other for going instant when needed (evidence base on Madara absorbing his chakra and taking it from his Edo form).

I believe mastering Senjutsu should enable him to do the same thing Orochimaru did, and use Senjutsu chakra to muster Sound 5 and Orochimaru, without entering SM.

Take off Kabuto's restrictions, Gaara > Kabuto even without them. Summons are the only thing that would prove to be a problem for Gaara in a 1v1. Anyhow:

Team 2 takes. Jinton > Summons, and any type of C3 - C4 Deidara decides to throw @ them. Gaara is the best support in the manga. Deidara, and/or Kabuto would not be going aerial. Even so, the whole playing field becomes a giant desert in seconds/minutes.

Sand sensing passive scattering allows Gaara to indirectly accumulate sand onto his opponents, and with sand he can do anything as he said against Kimimaro. Sand sensing -> sand burial once enough is accumulated, and no they cannot escape sand sensing it's literally millions of small grains of sand.

Gaara is to OP honestly.

@Bold Ill leave that to you when you make that thread. But for now on topic:

C4 is as dangerous as Jinton, plus the fact that he can make it small[ ] just like C3 or change its [ ] capable of maneuver enough to catch team 2 by surprise (since no manga intel means death). Since they would think they need to block it with Sand or Doton.

Well Deidara canonically can escape sand speed and Kabuto ( makes sand dodgeable like Muu did) is around or better in reaction and speed. Keep in mind they are on top of the spikes and Gaara needs to be on the ground to accumulated that much sand in this location.

I dont see Deidara getting caught by burial and worst case for Kabuto, Kabuto can either use Kimmi's DNA to counter it like in canon, or use snake summon to break out (like Naruto did via Gamabunta) or snakes to wrap him up and liquidfy himself to take the crush and pressure of the attack, which he can then easily escape. Gaara isnt stoping him, since they are multiple snakes Kabuto can travel too[ ] and he isn't finding the right one.


There is actually dense forestry on Turtle island; for this to be it therefore means there must be large quantities of soil present, all of which can be manipulated by Gaara to form sand. Kabuto is a non Factor, he's not getting near Onooki or Gaara. Also, Tayuya's Genjutsu is so weak that even after hearing the sound it takes some time to actually have an effect on the target. Shikamaru was able to maneuver his body, look around and even throw a Kunai after hearing the sound before it took full effect. That's more than enough time for Gaara to crush Kabuto or deflect the sound with a Sand Tsunami. I'll agree with Ripple Hole and Beans that the restrictions on Kabuto make him a non-factor in this matchup. Kimmimaro's abilities are also non-factors as Gaara can take to the skies and manipulate the sand on the ground to crush Kabuto. Nothing else in Kabuto's arsenal will pose any serious threat. Gaara can use the large quantities of Sand to enter into Manda II's Oral cavity as well as it's Nasal cavity and use it to block it's breathing passage until it suffocates and reverse summons. This is only one alternative of many. Deidara will be overwhelmed and will be caught off Guard by Onooki's Jinton; something he possesses no defense against and will die at the very moment his body is disintegrated to molecular dust.

If your implying Scenario 2, then Kabuto and Deidara combo via Manda 2 and Big Bomb, flips the island over cutting off Gaara's outside sand usage.

I covered Kabuto situation to Proof. And added more on my 2nd post via Clay Bushin transport.

I covered Kabuto's defense against Sand too, so even if you think the Genjutsu is slow they still can't escape it, thus fails. Plus Kidomaru's arrow is also a factor too. 100% accuracy, and guiding arrow that would drill through there defense.

Manda 2 was capable of swimming across the ocean so I doubt suffocating him is working. At least not long enough to factor

Im brainstorming so far. I dont think its one-sided match
 
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I'm a little rusty guys. Be gentle. Typing reply now.
 

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Muki Tensei will not work unless Kabuto touches the sand near Gaara. Which will not happen.
 

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Muki Tensei will not work unless Kabuto touches the sand near Gaara. Which will not happen.

Muki Tensei was capable of controlling the whole cave, meaning any sand on the ground, or physically touching Kabuto, he can breath life to and manipulate it in any direction.
 

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Muki Tensei was capable of controlling the whole cave, meaning any sand on the ground, or physically touching Kabuto, he can breath life to and manipulate it in any direction.
That can't help him if the sand isn't connected to Gaara's main sand. There's also zero proof to support Kabuto being able to control something that is already being controlled by another person.
 
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