[VS] 3T Kakashi vs Orochimaru

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Is Kakashi event efficient in genjutsu?

He's not and has no impressive feats in that area and its not even his fighting style to use genjutsu at all.

 

[BLAZE]

Is Kakashi event efficient in genjutsu?

Lel no

 

[Haizaki]

Ordinary clones are the only clone that lack mass. (Correct me if I'm wrong)

Yeah correct..I've been revolving round the ordinary, shadow and ink.

Nope it's true. All clones using a medium contains the users chakra. It wouldn't put it on the level of shadow clone since the chakra levels between the two are not the same.

No.. All clones contain the user's chakra but the particular user's chakra isn't what determines the ability the see through or not. Sharingan or so can't distinguish between clones because of the mechanics regardless of the user, chakra or what form of clone as shown several times.

What stands out is the substance and mass. Which is why the Sharingan can see through ordinary clones but can't see through clone techniques like I showed my bro TAC in the other thread. This is simply because of the Mass and Substance contained in them...Not because of anything else and the how strong a clone is isn't what makes it difficult to see through.

Chakra levels don't matter here but the Mass and Substance like all the clones have.

No. the reason why it's difficult it because all things are equal. Down to chakra level. Where as ink clones don't have that. What you also failed to take into consideration was the possibility that oro's snakes simply sensed both sai and the clone and made a simple deduction.

What are you talking about? Ink clones carry chakra. I don't get this because Chakra has no relevance to why one can see through clones...If it did the Sharingan users should be able to distinguish between other versions like Water clones and Crow but they've failed to do so.

Substance and Mass is what matters...This doesn't. I'm not getting your argument because a while ago you said ink is what makes it easier to see through than chakra. I just proved to you that the ink contains chakra and the level of chakra doesn't matter so why are we continuing this? The ordinary clone technique contains chakra but can even be distinguished by people without special eyes.

 

[Apêx1]

Is Kakashi event efficient in genjutsu?

He battled Obito to a stalemate in Genjutsu. Same Obito who could control every movement and word of the Mizukage. Let's also not forget about all the Bijuu he's controlled.

 

[Draegod]

He battled Obito to a stalemate in Genjutsu. Same Obito who could control every movement and word of the Mizukage. Let's also not forget about all the Bijuu he's controlled.

Sharingan by default has the ability to see through visual genjutsu period! Unless it's a higher level like ms/ems/sharinigan. Example being sasuke literally shitting over every itachi genjutsu yet he cannot replicate nor compare in the category. Correct me if I'm wrong bro

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

I hope this statement is only for 3 tomoe kakashi since MS Kakashi shits on tsunade and katsuyu.

Ms kakashi cannont take out 10%of katsuyu and she can easily rip apart if kamoi multiples and yes it's about 3 Tomoe kakashi

 

[Apêx1]

Sharingan by default has the ability to see through visual genjutsu period! Unless it's a higher level like ms/ems/sharinigan. Example being sasuke literally shitting over every itachi genjutsu yet he cannot replicate nor compare in the category. Correct me if I'm wrong bro

Pretty sure Sasuke was in Genjutsu for 1 and a half chapters bro, if Itachi wanted to he could've killed Sasuke before he ended up leaving the Genjutsu. Itachi was fighting Sasuke with 3T from minute one

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, Sasuke just wasn't even on Itachi's level or close to it to break out fast. He broke out at the very end. In the Kakashi vs Obito fight if they would be in Genjutsu for too long they'd die since the opponent is trying to kill, not like Itachi who went easy on Sasuke. Kakashi was on par with Obito and Obito was controlling the Jin Mizukage, also controlled like 4 Bijuu at the same time!

 

[Zexion~]

Lml Kakashi wins high diff bro. What can Oro even do to harm him outside pitiful snakes that even part 1 Naruto could handle U_U?

 

[King Of Pop]

Pretty sure Sasuke was in Genjutsu for 1 and a half chapters bro, if Itachi wanted to he could've killed Sasuke before he ended up leaving the Genjutsu. Itachi was fighting Sasuke with 3T from minute one

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, Sasuke just wasn't even on Itachi's level or close to it to break out fast. He broke out at the very end. In the Kakashi vs Obito fight if they would be in Genjutsu for too long they'd die since the opponent is trying to kill, not like Itachi who went easy on Sasuke. Kakashi was on par with Obito and Obito was controlling the Jin Mizukage, also controlled like 4 Bijuu at the same time!

no, all of that was genjutsu. none of them had moved from their position as bz pointed

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they cancelled each other out same as kakashi and obito.

 

[Apêx1]

no, all of that was genjutsu. none of them had moved from their position as bz pointed

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they cancelled each other out same as kakashi and obito.

Itachi was clearly the one in control the whole time, Sasuke 'killed' Itachi 3 times and all 3 times Sasuke would realise he was in Genjutsu when Itachi pointed his fingers to his 'real self'. That's not comparable to Obito vs Kakashi at all.

 

[EZQ]

Ms kakashi cannont take out 10%of katsuyu and she can easily rip apart if kamoi multiples and yes it's about 3 Tomoe kakashi

He can decapitate her tough. I doubt katsuyu can survive that.

And Tsunade needs sakura to summon 10 percent katsuyu if i remember well

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

He can decapitate her tough. I doubt katsuyu can survive that.

And Tsunade needs sakura to summon 10 percent katsuyu if i remember well

I really want to post this message in my sig....

Kakashi decapitating katsuyu :|:|:| that's sig worthy



As for 10% a half dead tsunade needed sakura to summon 10 percent yes ... A full powered unsealed tsunade however no...

 

[EZQ]

I really want to post this message in my sig....

Kakashi decapitating katsuyu :|:|:| that's sig worthy



As for 10% a half dead tsunade needed sakura to summon 10 percent yes ... A full powered unsealed tsunade however no...

Kakashi's kamui can reach gedo mazo's head size and even its arm. Katsuyu's head (small katsuyu) can be chopped away with the dimensinal barrier. It shouldn't be able to survive if a gedo mazo's head sized piece of its face was warped away.

Read Kakashi's feats with caution please

 

[Beans2]

He can decapitate her tough. I doubt katsuyu can survive that.

Lmao bruhhhhhhhh

 

[EZQ]

Lmao bruhhhhhhhh

I think that if regular sized katsuyu gets a gedo mazo's arm sized chunk of its face warped it dies

 

[BLAZE]

no, all of that was genjutsu. none of them had moved from their position as bz pointed

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they cancelled each other out same as kakashi and obito.

Add this lml

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[Bogard]

Is Kakashi event efficient in genjutsu?

Of course he is

Elite Shinobis like Gai(who could dispel high level genjutsu like Kabuto's) developed strategy's to fight while avoiding Sharingan eye sight thanks to Kakashi

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It suggest Kakashi's genjutsus were always a problem to him and he had to find a way to fight him while avoiding it

Another S-Rank nukenin(Zabuza) part of the strongest generation of 7swordsmen [

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Part1 Anbus have been shown countering Kabuto's A-Rank temple of nirvana genjutsu with little trouble [

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], yet Kakashi managed to drop off to sleep 2 from Danzo's root unit in a single glance [

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He is capable to battle Obito(perfect Jinchuriki genjutsu controller [

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He was capable to control Zabuza in battle without him noticing, giving him suggestive thoughts in the seal he should perform

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He could put 2 people in a sharingan genjutsu at once [

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He is also the only Sharingan user outside Itachi who showed genjutsu skills without Sharingan. And his genjutsu was great enough for even someone like Sakura(who is a genjutsu type [

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[BenjerminGaye]

Yeah correct..I've been revolving round the ordinary, shadow and ink.



No.. All clones contain the user's chakra but the particular user's chakra isn't what determines the ability the see through or not. Sharingan or so can't distinguish between clones because of the mechanics regardless of the user, chakra or what form of clone as shown several times.

What stands out is the substance and mass. Which is why the Sharingan can see through ordinary clones but can't see through clone techniques like I showed my bro TAC in the other thread. This is simply because of the Mass and Substance contained in them...Not because of anything else and the how strong a clone is isn't what makes it difficult to see through.

Chakra levels don't matter here but the Mass and Substance like all the clones have.



What are you talking about? Ink clones carry chakra. I don't get this because Chakra has no relevance to why one can see through clones...If it did the Sharingan users should be able to distinguish between other versions like Water clones and Crow but they've failed to do so.

Substance and Mass is what matters...This doesn't. I'm not getting your argument because a while ago you said ink is what makes it easier to see through than chakra. I just proved to you that the ink contains chakra and the level of chakra doesn't matter so why are we continuing this? The ordinary clone technique contains chakra but can even be distinguished by people without special eyes.

Ok.

Yeah but the amount each clone has is based on type. The reason byakugan can't differentiate between real and clone is due to the chakra (and everything else) being equal. Same goes for all other dojutsu. When clones are used through a medium it's easier for the eye to see through it.

The only reason it "stands out" is because that comparison was made to the academy clone jutsu which lacks mass and substance. It was never compared to the likes of shadow clones which as it stands is better than that of other clones using mediums.

Mass and substance doesn't guarantee un see through ability.

The amount they carry is what's important, not just them carrying.But they have, water clones are only 10 % the original, and itachi mainly uses crow clone in genjutsu where he manipulates his opponents 5 senses.