Suigetsu's Base-Speed and Kenjutsu Reflexes... unappreciated?

[shelke]

It's NB's typical logic that only certain characters are glorified, the rest are side-lined. I would like to post the Viz Translation for Chee's Statement on Ae's Reflexes (and foot-speed implications):

Viz:

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Few things are clear from this statement:

1) Minato's reaction Speed is only on-par with Base Raikage. Mind you a charge attack isn't the same as reflex action.
2) V1 Ae's Reflex action is faster than Base Minato's. The same point applies, as Reflex action isn't the same as charge-at-the-enemy attack. Similarly, Minato's base speed is not above V1 Ae's.

3) The folk (Sasuke, Jugo and Suigetsu) were managing to keep up. Jugo got the raw end of the deal. But Sasuke out-sped Raikage under the same Cloak and produced better reflexes. But what about Suigetsu?

Let's look at some scans:

Suigetsu out-speeding Bee’s speedy downward strike to rescue Sasuke:

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Suigetsu reaches Sasuke before Raikage’s fist comes down:

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Mind you, Cloaked Bee claimed that his brother under Raiton armour is faster:

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Sure, it speaks volumes about Sasuke’s speed, but Suigetsu is no pushover either. Given how he reached fast enough to reach Sasuke and then made it to Raikage before his V1 Shroud charged fist came down, that is canonically faster than Minato’s Reflex action.

Thank you for reading.

Thread Update:

Kisame praising Suigetsu's Kenjutsu Skills:

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[Pukkake Pokayo]

Still got negged by Bee and Darui.

 

[sagemode07]

Minato is faster with FTG
Imo FTG counts as reflex speed, ex. He used it to react to A

 

[Logical Sasori]

Foot speed and reaction speed, onnly 8th gate surpasses v2 ay

 

[Logical Sasori]

Minato is faster with FTG
Imo FTG counts as reflex speed, ex. He used it to react to A

No. Totally different.

You can be faster than a bullet but if you can't see it coming oh well.

You can see it coming but if your not fast enough to move, oh well.

 

[shelke]

Still got negged by Bee and Darui.

And? Darui has Raiton. That is his weakness. Getting beaten by Bee isn't much of a big deal, given how impressive the guy is.

 

[KesOnFire]

Great thread shows how much of a coward Sasuke really is no offense

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[The Demon Hawk]

Foot speed and reaction speed, onnly 8th gate surpasses v2 ay

RSM Naruto easily surpasses V2 Raikage in footspeed and reaction speed.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

And? Darui has Raiton. That is his weakness. Getting beaten by Bee isn't much of a big deal, given how impressive the guy is.

Just sayin'~

I like Suigetsu but who has he beaten? Who could he beat? Think you overhyped those scans a bit of Suigetsu saving Sasuke's ass since he could've been rushing towards Sasuke for a few seconds beforehand as it was going downhill for a bit. I'd have to rewatch to be sure though. Also, he was fighting Darui in kenjutsu for a few minutes, who was mid-high jonin lvl? Not THAT impressive.

 

[shelke]

Great thread shows how much of a coward Sasuke really is no offense

Dude, what the **** are you talking about?

Just sayin'~

I like Suigetsu but who has he beaten? Who could he beat? Think you overhyped those scans a bit of Suigetsu saving Sasuke's ass since he could've been rushing towards Sasuke for a few seconds beforehand as it was going downhill for a bit. I'd have to rewatch to be sure though.

Other than a handful number of people, there are very few individuals who have ever beaten anyone on their own. That is an irrelevant claim to make.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

Dude, what the **** are you talking about?



Other than a handful number of people, there are very few individuals who have ever beaten anyone on their own. That is an irrelevant claim to make.

That's a ridiculous excuse when there have been 4 great wars full of shinobi 1V1'ing each other.

We can speculate with accuracy how Naruto or Sasuke for example would've turned out without help, also & Suigetsu still gets beaten.

 

[KesOnFire]

Dude, what the **** are you talking about?

Checkout the scan then maybe you will figure out.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Typical shelke. You slightly altered the wording of what cee said and have misinterpreted it completely. You are quite pathetic. I know exactly what the viz says and have the scan, but imma call your lying dumbass out and allow you to expose yourself. I've even seen the raw translated by a member on narutoforums, which is better than viz. Viz is not perfect, they simplify everything,instead of translating word for word.

The databook also states Minato is on par with Ays lighting chakra mode. Clearly says Ays lightning chakra mode is not inferior to the yellow flash, so your nonsense is debunked.

 

[~Ethereal~]

Interesting.

 

[shelke]

Typical shelke. You slightly altered the wording of what cee said and have misinterpreted it completely. You are quite pathetic. I know exactly what the viz says and have the scan, but imma call your lying dumbass out and allow you to expose yourself. I've even seen the raw translated by a member on narutoforums, which is better than viz. Viz is not perfect, they simplify everything,instead of translating word for word.

The databook also states Minato is on par with Ays lighting chakra mode.

I am talking about the Reflex action here, not foot speed. VIZ isn't perfect, but fan-made translations of DB IV are? Face it, Minato at base speed is a far cry from the fabrications of his fans.

You are more than welcome to get the original scan and prove me wrong. If the gist of it is the same, then this is still correct.

That's a ridiculous excuse when there have been 4 great wars full of shinobi 1V1'ing each other.

We can speculate with accuracy how Naruto or Sasuke for example would've turned out without help, also & Suigetsu still gets beaten.

Why are you here then? You don't agree then move along.

How many Shinobis did you see soloing people? Even Minato took help from other Shinobi to riddle the battlefield with Kunais. In war times, battalions or groups fight people not lone-wolf ninjas - bar some isolated incidents. Do you have any idea how absurd you sound, when we saw just that in 4th ninja war?

There is no need for the actual scan.
We have Minato, who was able to "bodily" react to V2 Ay. Then we Taka Sasuke, being able to barely track v2 Speed. Smh and we have OP spouting this nonsense.

This is a reflex action statement. The incident you are talking about is Charge-attack versus Reflex action. Learn the difference. Or is it too much to ask of you?

Checkout the scan then maybe you will figure out.

Yeah, beat it!

 

[Lord Tywin]

Typical shelke. You slightly altered the wording of what cee said and have misinterpreted it completely. You are quite pathetic. I know exactly what the viz says and have the scan, but imma call your lying dumbass out and allow you to expose yourself. I've even seen the raw translated by a member on narutoforums, which is better than viz. Viz is not perfect, they simplify everything,instead of translating word for word.

The databook also states Minato is on par with Ays lighting chakra mode.

There is no need for the actual scan.
We have Minato, who was able to "bodily" react to V2 Ay. Then we Taka Sasuke, being able to barely track v2 Speed. Smh and we have OP spouting this nonsense.

 

[BlacLord™]

Good thread.

Minato's reflexes whilst good, aren't his strongest point. His Shunshin and FTG are what made him famous. Don't believe me? Look at how comparatively slow he was to react to Juubito's exploding orb, compared to his allies.

Sasuke had already activated Susano'o and Tobirama had already deployed a clone to deal with it, whilst Minato was still thinking.

Not taking anything away from Minato though, since he was able to react to Raikage at top speed without aid.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

Why are you here then? You don't agree then move along.

How many Shinobis did you see soloing people? Even Minato took help from other Shinobi to riddle the battlefield with Kunais. In war times, battalions or groups fight people not lone-wolf ninjas - bar some isolated incidents. Do you have any idea how absurd you sound, when we saw just that in 4th ninja war?

Well someone is getting piss-ey because their thread is under fire for several reasons. I'm obviously here to discuss the topic. Suigetsu. Minato solo'd a shit tonne of shinobi and threw his own kunai several times as Kakashi's team leader & vs the stone village's army. Groups teamed up to fight legendary ninja they had no hope of defeating alone. generally in a war, each side is composed of individuals that fight other individuals on the battlefield so going by that there have been millions. You think fodder shinobi lined up 1 by 1 to try and solo the almighty edo's? No

 

[Lord Tywin]

It's NB's typical logic that only certain characters are glorified, the rest are side-lined. I would like to post the Viz Translation for Chee's Statement on Ae's Reflexes (and foot-speed implications):

Viz: "Lord Raikage's nervous system and reaction speed are on par with Kohana's Yellow Flash. I'm surprised these folk are managing to keep up. But Lord Raikage can also amplify his ability further using Lightning Release armor...not even the sharigan will be able to keep up."

Which was proven garbage when Minato was about to strike Ay in V2 before he could do a thing.

Two things are clear from this statement:

1) Minato's reaction Speed is only on-par with Base Raikage. Mind you a charge attack isn't the same as reflex action.

Base Raikage can dodge his own V2 speed? Ay couldn't prevent Minato from striking him down, which would have happened if Bee hadn't intervened. Raikage's reflexes come in here, which he pales in comparison to Minato. Another example is Raikage being dodged by Naruto without a reaction.

2) V1 Ae's Reflex action is faster than Base Minato's. The same point applies, as Reflex action isn't the same as charge-at-the-enemy attack. Similarly, Minato's base speed is not above V1 Ae's.

read above

3) The folk (Sasuke, Jugo and Suigetsu) were managing to keep up. Jugo got the raw end of the deal. But Sasuke out-sped Raikage under the same Cloak and produced better reflexes. But what about Suigetsu?

ok

Let's look at some scans:

Suigetsu out-speeding Bee’s speedy downward strike to rescue Sasuke:

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Which we have no idea how far suigetsu was from Bee. Never mind the fact that Suigetsu was destroyed along with Jugo when he tried a direct attack.

Suigetsu reaches Sasuke before Raikage’s fist comes down:

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Same as above

Mind you, Cloaked Bee claimed that his brother under Raiton armour is faster:

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Sure, it speaks volumes about Sasuke’s speed, but Suigetsu is no pushover either. Given how he reached fast enough to Sasuke and then made it to Raikage before his V1 Shroud charged fist came down, that is, canonically, faster than Minato’s Reflex action.

Thank you for reading.

Thread Update:

Kisame praising Suigetsu's Kenjutsu Skills:

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Lmao why did I even bother? I won't entertain this garbage decorated thread again.

 

[To Whatever]

He'd be better with another mist sword.
The executioner requires too much for him. He states how much of a pain it is to carry it long distance and sometimes has to use his hydrophication tech to swing it.

He either gets more str and stamina or find another sword.

He's meh to me.

His epilogue version is probably badass if he still has the sword or trained.