What's the REAL reason behind this happening? [Final Villain]

[p0kerx]

Maybe there has been a thread like this already but fk.

So im here to ask the real reason why Kaguya was introduced really.. Was it planned long long ago? Or happened because Kishimoto was in a rush to finish the manga in 700 chapters thanks to his editors and ShonenJump?
Wasnt Madara originally the final villain? Why was Kaguya introduced (not as a story character like in chap. 646 but as a revived one)
You see i wasnt fan of Obito but i enjoyed his fighting against naruto, kakashi and the rest of the alliance.
Why? Because he was already introduced in the series, heck he was introduced even before Kakashi Gaiden.. in one of the first chapters... U cant deny that u were more or less interested in his character and what happened to him plus what will happen to him... Same goes for Madara even on a higher level.
He was too supposed to be one of the biggest threats out there.. since the beginning of shippuden Kurama was talking about him in front of Sasuke.. after then lots of shinobi were talking about him like something really scary, Jiraya Minato Pain etc etc. Everyone knew him and we all knew that if this guy returns to the real world shit will happen and thats what happened.. Lol he was even in Naruto 1st part where Sasuke and Naruto were fighting under his statue and Hashirama's one.
But when it comes to Kaguya.. everything felt so rushed so unnecessary... the battle was really boring to me... Maybe because not only we didnt know her character but also their jutsus.. In the case of madara and obito we knew what rinnegan is capable of we knew that there is a threat like Juubi we knew all this things and kept us to follow the series with interest but Kaguya.. So why did really she was introduced as a Final Villain?

 

[HENI]

Her jutsus = spoilers for current Sasuke's powers

 

[Rohan]

She was introduced as a Final Villain so as to round off the mystery of the origin of chakra. Pretty sure Kishi had planned her entry a long time ago because he himself said the way the Villains of the War Arc will appear : Obito --> Madara --> Juubi --> Sasuke. We all know the Juubi was actually Kaguya.

 

[Sasori]

She was introduced as a Final Villain so as to round off the mystery of the origin of chakra. Pretty sure Kishi had planned her entry a long time ago because he himself said the way the Villains of the War Arc will appear : Obito --> Madara --> Juubi --> Sasuke. We all know the Juubi was actually Kaguya.

Sam has done it again

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

She was introduced as a Final Villain so as to round off the mystery of the origin of chakra. Pretty sure Kishi had planned her entry a long time ago because he himself said the way the Villains of the War Arc will appear : Obito --> Madara --> Juubi --> Sasuke. We all know the Juubi was actually Kaguya.

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[p0kerx]

War arc is not something thats "Long-ago" I meant something from the beginning of the series.. Pain, Madara, Obito they were all introduced at that time while Kaguya was introduced almost at the end of the War Arc.. still this doesnt answer my question.. whats the point of her?

 

[Rohan]

War arc is not something thats "Long-ago" I meant something from the beginning of the series.. Pain, Madara, Obito they were all introduced at that time while Kaguya was introduced almost at the end of the War Arc.. still this doesnt answer my question.. whats the point of her?

Nope. Pain, Tobi/Obito (In the guise of Madara, even if his identity was unknown) and Madara were introduced at almost the same time. Tobi and Pain in Konoha Invasion Arc and Madara in the Itachi Arc. You may have missed it, but Juubi/Kaguya was introduced in the Five Kage Arc right after that. Of course, Kishi didn't show us the true appearances of the Villains to stop the story from falling Flat.

The true identity of Tobi being Obito and the Juubi being Kaguya was done in the climax of the story, the War Arc to heighten the effect of the plot (Most mysteries concerning the Villains are only revealed at the final phase of the story, i.e; Climax). Just like how Tobi was a mask for Obito, the Juubi was a mask for Kaguya to hide their true identities.

Kaguya purpose in the plot had two reasons : 1) To explain the origin of Chakra (It was never explained how Hagoromo obtained Chakra in the first place) and to expand on 2) Hagoromo's Family line (The Otsutsukis being his native clan, Kaguya being his mother and Hamura being his Brother). This wouldn't have happened without Kaguya.

 

[p0kerx]

As i said i dont have problems with this.. It could've been explained by Madara like in chap. 646 but her being revived was totally unnecessary. Also tobi being Obito.. so many foreshadows.. Same thing with pain when he was introduced at the end of part one and then we could clearly see his rinnegan and him being the leader of Akatsuki.
And no Madara was introduced in the Sasuke rescue arc where Kurama was talking with Sasuke and Naruto.. and later his real vision was showed in Jiraya vs Pain.
Still its obviously that Kaguya is something different than Madara, Obito and Pain. Obviously something happpened that wasnt in Kishi's plans.
EDIT: Still you'r not giving a real reason... maybe we have to ask Kishimoto himself but i guess there's still no interview for this.
Maybe the best thing is to lock this thread because no one will give a real answer.. just guess after guess... Explaining it with logic wont do anything because he really tried to connect the things that happened with logic so thats why logic here is useless.. it wont explain the thing that should have happened.

 

[Joon]

As i said i dont have problems with this.. It could've been explained by Madara like in chap. 646 but her being revived was totally unnecessary. Also tobi being Obito.. so many foreshadows.. Same thing with pain when he was introduced at the end of part one and then we could clearly see his rinnegan and him being the leader of Akatsuki.
And no Madara was introduced in the Sasuke rescue arc where Kurama was talking with Sasuke and Naruto.. and later his real vision was showed in Jiraya vs Pain.
Still its obviously that Kaguya is something different than Madara, Obito and Pain. Obviously something happpened that wasnt in Kishi's plans.
EDIT: Still you'r not giving a real reason... maybe we have to ask Kishimoto himself but i guess there's still no interview for this.
Maybe the best thing is to lock this thread because no one will give a real answer.. just guess after guess... Explaining it with logic wont do anything because he really tried to connect the things that happened with logic so thats why logic here is useless.. it wont explain the thing that should have happened.

As Kishi said, he had a deadline; he had to tie up loose ends of the story. The Naruto Project is one of those reasons to officially end the Naruto series. That is why Kishi confirmed the Movies canon as the manga versions are finished.

 

[MangaArtist007]

As Kishi said, he had a deadline; he had to tie up loose ends of the story. The Naruto Project is one of those reasons to officially end the Naruto series. That is why Kishi confirmed the Movies canon as the manga versions are finished.

This. Kishimoto had planned Kaguya early but had to rush to meet the November ending date so his pacing went out the window. She is foreshadowed.

 

[Lia]

She was introduced in order to give the manga a happy end.
Rikudou Madara was too intelligent and powerful to be defeated logically without plot-help. So~
Kishimoto replaced him with an uninteresting character who is stupid all the time and doesn't know how to fight.

 

[Avani 👑]

Plus to put all the blame on some alien being no one had sympathy with. :|

For we all know Kishi somehow hates to make any character all bad if he keeps them in for long. So in the end it was the black matter which needed a body to latched on to and an alien goddess from the moon who was so powerful that she never trained properly to deal with fighters who could actually put up one and had gone crazy.

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

War arc is not something thats "Long-ago" I meant something from the beginning of the series.. Pain, Madara, Obito they were all introduced at that time while Kaguya was introduced almost at the end of the War Arc.. still this doesnt answer my question.. whats the point of her?

Actually it was all planned out LONG AGO since the end of Part 1 when Zetsu watched the aftermath battle between Naruto vs Sasuke the same thing happen to Hashirama vs Madara and we all know BZ is part of Kaguya will so this was ALL PLANNED OUT

 

[ninjarasengan]

War arc is not something thats "Long-ago" I meant something from the beginning of the series.. Pain, Madara, Obito they were all introduced at that time while Kaguya was introduced almost at the end of the War Arc.. still this doesnt answer my question.. whats the point of her?

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That is Kaguya's will in part1

 

[The Necromancer]

Nope. Pain, Tobi/Obito (In the guise of Madara, even if his identity was unknown) and Madara were introduced at almost the same time. Tobi and Pain in Konoha Invasion Arc and Madara in the Itachi Arc. You may have missed it, but Juubi/Kaguya was introduced in the Five Kage Arc right after that. Of course, Kishi didn't show us the true appearances of the Villains to stop the story from falling Flat.

The true identity of Tobi being Obito and the Juubi being Kaguya was done in the climax of the story, the War Arc to heighten the effect of the plot (Most mysteries concerning the Villains are only revealed at the final phase of the story, i.e; Climax). Just like how Tobi was a mask for Obito, the Juubi was a mask for Kaguya to hide their true identities.

Kaguya purpose in the plot had two reasons : 1) To explain the origin of Chakra (It was never explained how Hagoromo obtained Chakra in the first place) and to expand on 2) Hagoromo's Family line (The Otsutsukis being his native clan, Kaguya being his mother and Hamura being his Brother). This wouldn't have happened without Kaguya.

This doesn't answer the question at all... :|

Kaguya turned out to be the Juubi, yes, but Kaguya could have been removed entirely and the story would have progressed the same way.

People in here have no idea what they're talking about... U_U

 

[p0kerx]

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That is Kaguya's will in part1

I know about this but do you really think that back then this was Kaguya's will?
And dont tell me foreshadowing with Madara vs Hashirama fight.. at the time those chapters were out Kaguya was already planned..
It was 626 chapter i think which is no where close to the beginning of the series.

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

I know about this but do you really think that back then this was Kaguya's will?
And dont tell me foreshadowing with Madara vs Hashirama fight.. at the time those chapters were out Kaguya was already planned..
It was 626 chapter i think which is no where close to the beginning of the series.

Umm I don't think it's ironic for Zetsu to be watching 2 reincarnation cycle with Naruto vs Sasuke, the very same spot as when Madara vs Hashirama battle occurred... I truly believe this was Kaguya will which was all planned, but we never saw this coming because it was never hinted nor imply Zetsu to be the Main villain, most people love to believe Zetsu was an irrelavent fodder. However My impression with Zetsu always seems to be the most shady, most mysterious character not up until the Juubi arc when we all thought zetsu is gone and he's part of Madara will.

The thing is Kishi wanted to build up the suspense because by making Madara the final villain makes everything predictable.

 

[leezagboola]

I agree with the original poster, the story always started as the S06P being the ultimate shinobi, not his mother. Having watched and read naruto continuously from literally 10 years ago and seeing how they forced that ending it really does make you wonder why Kaguya was brought to be this really terrible villian whose motives and actions that didnt really make sense. She was the only one with chakra and the only one able to use jutsus, why did she need a white zetsu army? Plus she was already a princess, wouldnt she already be in charge of a kingdom?

I think the war arc ended up being longer and more detailed that originally anticipated so then everything had to be shoved together and rushed. Everyone was waiting for a huge Madara fight but then he is literally stabbed in the back and cannot get up again.
I also agree that Kishi didnt really want anyone to be a true villian, I mean heck, Orochimaru has a son now? wtf? So instead of defeating Madara we got Kaguya who no one really knew about or cared for and some bullshit about black zetsu.

what annoyed me at the end of naruto (by end I mean last 100 or so chapters) is that a lot of "backstory" was written so as to make the characters seem legit and show that they had some kind of strong bond and connection with everyone. Even Sasuke and Naruto had a lot of extra background friendship forced in to make them seem like they were super close rivals from even 4 year olds, both sharing a loss, which doesnt make much sense since the massacre of the uchiha happened when he was 8, before then Sasuke was a very friendly and open child.
Or like in the Last where Naruto has a special scarf and protected hinata from bullies and children?
I was willing to accept tobi being obito, but so much random plot was written into the story it almost just felt fake.