Strongest Knb character

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The manga said that they are on the same level so therefore you're wrong. Reread chapter 5. And stop living in the past. Part 1 and 2 are completely irrelevant. But if you want to, how about Kise being both injured and exhausted in his match against Seirin? How about Kuroko calling him the best player?

Doesn't mean they're equal. Also what about this. Zone Aomine was completely shutting down Wild Jason. PC Kise was incapable of that. Zone Aomine was able to easily score on Wild Jason. PC Kise was incapable of that. Kise had to get in the Zone in order to dunk on Jason.

Also the fact that in Kagami and Kise's one on one in base, Kagami was completely overwhelming him when he knew he was injured. Kise wasn't by any extent exhausted.

Current Akashi is not even close to their level. He didn't do anything impressive "yet". He probably will in the next chapter, but I doubt that he will solo Silver while taking care of the rest of the team like Kise did.

He didn't do anything impressive? He was able to steal the ball from Nash's magic pass and even ankle broke him. We know Nash is something. Base Akashi also was able to ankle break Zone Kagami, although that Kagami lost his cool and lost his concentration.

Deep Zone Aomine? He never used that. Btw. this thread is about who's the best player, not team. Direct Drive Zone doesn't make you better in a one on one. It only synchronises you with your team members. Neither the manga, anime nor wiki say that it boosts your stats unless you can prove me wrong, which would still be irrelevant because you can't access it by yourself. Kise>Akashi>Kagami in Zone by feats.

He did. You ask me why and how? I'll ask you this. How does he know about the second gate of the Zone? How does he know about the gatekeeper? Using the most straightforward logic, we'll have to assume he was there before, therefore, he was in the Deep Zone.

Zone Akashi > Zone PC Kise > Deep Zone Kagami ~ Deep Zone Aomine > Zone Kagami ~ Zone Aomine ~ Zone Murasakibara > Base Akashi > PC Kise > Base Kagami ~ Base Aomine ~ Base Murasakibara > Midorima > Base Kise

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

And yet noone is explaining how akashi takes Kise for the duration of PC Zone , the fact that some guys have to play around this and use examples of other players in order to try to put down PC Kise is laughable. EE does nothing to PC Zone Kise, in zone his PC is leagues above when he's not in zone, his EE is better and with the defensive range of murasakibara, Aoimine's speed and Akashi's own EE and the strength that surpasses even silver, akashi gets clowned. Also let it be noted that Kise, like aoimine can score from ANYWHERE on the court, PC Zone, apimine's formless shot plus midorima's hi shots, so fast akashi's not blocking or stopping, zone or not, akashi would get stomped, how does one ankle break one that has the defensive parameters of murisakibara, strength above silver, and an EE although not perfect how do you not know if zone amplified kise's EE? Heck Akashi is not stopping Thor's hammer, unless he wants his bones wreckt. Kise is fast enough in PC to at least keep up with zone aoimine uninjured, when he got PC zone he took jabberwock by himself, dunked over silver, and was flawless, akashi is not replicating such feats, he's definitely not stronger than silver, and Gold is cocky, one lucky steal and you Akashi fanboys go nuts, whomever honestly thinks Zone Akashi>PC zone Kise is wanking akashi a bit too hard. If Kise with PC alone can keep up with Aoimine in zone, and if you guys want to use kagaki and aoimine as similar speedsters, kagami could nearly catch up to zone akashi having similar or close speed, then how is zone Kise NOT faster than Akashi? Because logic????? PC Kise has so much in his arsenal already that in zone he can completely clown Akashi, sorry but Akashi would get stomped for the duration of PC zone kise. I will even give you the combinations Kise uses to clown this man:

Aoimine's drive+EE (akashi is definitely not faster than aoimine, a statement made by akashi himself) combined with EE enhanced by zone and the emperor gets ankle breaked

Aoimine's formless shot+midorima's 3 point (anywhere on the court, akashi is not stopping this for obvious reasons)

Kuroko's phantom shot+midorima'a 3+EE (akashi will get played and danced around by this not only is this faster, but if this is close range, akashi wished he could block this granted he has EE but so does Kise and zone enhances EE)

Thor's hammer+meteor jam (this is one of the most ultimate slamming the ball in the net prowesses, if akashi tries to block, his bones will be utterly shattered, with a strength that above silver, akashi will get his feet messed)

Murasakibara's block+EE(the ultimate impenetrable defense, do I need to say more?)

The list goes on gentlemen, even if akashi managed to somehow ankle break Kise while he has the ball, Kise has so much speed and strength that it doesn't take much recovery time to use murasakibara's block, Kise has too much in his arsenal to be stopped by akashi, zone or not.

 

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And yet noone is explaining how akashi takes Kise for the duration of PC Zone , the fact that some guys have to play around this and use examples of other players in order to try to put down PC Kise is laughable. EE does nothing to PC Zone Kise, in zone his PC is leagues above when he's not in zone, his EE is better and with the defensive range of murasakibara, Aoimine's speed and Akashi's own EE and the strength that surpasses even silver, akashi gets clowned. Also let it be noted that Kise, like aoimine can score from ANYWHERE on the court, PC Zone, apimine's formless shot plus midorima's hi shots, so fast akashi's not blocking or stopping, zone or not, akashi would get stomped, how does one ankle break one that has the defensive parameters of murisakibara, strength above silver, and an EE although not perfect how do you not know if zone amplified kise's EE? Heck Akashi is not stopping Thor's hammer, unless he wants his bones wreckt. Kise is fast enough in PC to at least keep up with zone aoimine uninjured, when he got PC zone he took jabberwock by himself, dunked over silver, and was flawless, akashi is not replicating such feats, he's definitely not stronger than silver, and Gold is cocky, one lucky steal and you Akashi fanboys go nuts, whomever honestly thinks Zone Akashi>PC zone Kise is wanking akashi a bit too hard. If Kise with PC alone can keep up with Aoimine in zone, and if you guys want to use kagaki and aoimine as similar speedsters, kagami could nearly catch up to zone akashi having similar or close speed, then how is zone Kise NOT faster than Akashi? Because logic????? PC Kise has so much in his arsenal already that in zone he can completely clown Akashi, sorry but Akashi would get stomped for the duration of PC zone kise. I will even give you the combinations Kise uses to clown this man:

Aoimine's drive+EE (akashi is definitely not faster than aoimine, a statement made by akashi himself) combined with EE enhanced by zone and the emperor gets ankle breaked

Aoimine's formless shot+midorima's 3 point (anywhere on the court, akashi is not stopping this for obvious reasons)

Kuroko's phantom shot+midorima'a 3+EE (akashi will get played and danced around by this not only is this faster, but if this is close range, akashi wished he could block this granted he has EE but so does Kise and zone enhances EE)

Thor's hammer+meteor jam (this is one of the most ultimate slamming the ball in the net prowesses, if akashi tries to block, his bones will be utterly shattered, with a strength that above silver, akashi will get his feet messed)

Murasakibara's block+EE(the ultimate impenetrable defense, do I need to say more?)

The list goes on gentlemen, even if akashi managed to somehow ankle break Kise while he has the ball, Kise has so much speed and strength that it doesn't take much recovery time to use murasakibara's block, Kise has too much in his arsenal to be stopped by akashi, zone or not.

What?

Akashi in Zone was defending the entirety of Seirin, including Kagami who was in Zone himself.......

Base Akashi with EE is already on par with the other zones, is it that hard for you to understand?

BASE AKASHI = Zone

just as

PC Kise = Zone

Akashi with EE already directly stripped the ball from Nash, who before that nobody on the court had reacted to.

 

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That guy is an idiot, no offense.

Zone Akashi > Zone PC Kise > Deep Zone Kagami ~ Deep Zone Aomine > Zone Kagami ~ Zone Aomine ~ Zone Murasakibara > Base Akashi > PC Kise > Base Kagami ~ Base Aomine ~ Base Murasakibara > Midorima > Base Kise.

 

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Why does Akashis psycho side with his EE count as "Base" Akashi and PC Kise doesn't count as "Base" Kise? Copying is his ability like Aomines speed, Akashis EE, Muras strength etc. PC, EE and Zone aren't really special powers, it's just them going all out.

And again, how is the Direct Drive Zone helping you in a one on one? It's basically just the Zone only that you're in sync with the team. And no, Aomine does not have the DD Zone, he never "entered that door", he said so himself just like Kagami has admitted that Aomine>himself. Aomine destroyed Kagami in a one on one after their match, have you guys already forgot all those things?

Honestly, I doubt the last quarter is going to be Akashi soloing Jabberwock like Kise did, so therefore, Akashi will probably not have such great feats as Zone Kise. Unless the manga continues in which case it will probably be a thing. No doubt about that. But currently it just doesn't seem like anyone>Kise. Just no.

 

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Why does Akashis psycho side with his EE count as "Base" Akashi and PC Kise doesn't count as "Base" Kise? Copying is his ability like Aomines speed, Akashis EE, Muras strength etc. PC, EE and Zone aren't really special powers, it's just them going all out.

And again, how is the Direct Drive Zone helping you in a one on one? It's basically just the Zone only that you're in sync with the team. And no, Aomine does not have the DD Zone, he never "entered that door", he said so himself just like Kagami has admitted that Aomine>himself. Aomine destroyed Kagami in a one on one after their match, have you guys already forgot all those things?

Honestly, I doubt the last quarter is going to be Akashi soloing Jabberwock like Kise did, so therefore, Akashi will probably not have such great feats as Zone Kise. Unless the manga continues in which case it will probably be a thing. No doubt about that. But currently it just doesn't seem like anyone>Kise. Just no.

You make a fair point, but PC has a cap on it, it has limited time, not EE...therefore it does not count as Base Kise.

 

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Why does Akashis psycho side with his EE count as "Base" Akashi and PC Kise doesn't count as "Base" Kise? Copying is his ability like Aomines speed, Akashis EE, Muras strength etc. PC, EE and Zone aren't really special powers, it's just them going all out.

And again, how is the Direct Drive Zone helping you in a one on one? It's basically just the Zone only that you're in sync with the team. And no, Aomine does not have the DD Zone, he never "entered that door", he said so himself just like Kagami has admitted that Aomine>himself. Aomine destroyed Kagami in a one on one after their match, have you guys already forgot all those things?

Honestly, I doubt the last quarter is going to be Akashi soloing Jabberwock like Kise did, so therefore, Akashi will probably not have such great feats as Zone Kise. Unless the manga continues in which case it will probably be a thing. No doubt about that. But currently it just doesn't seem like anyone>Kise. Just no.

Because PC was established to be a form. That's why.

Did I state Direct Drive Zone? I said Deep Zone. There's a difference. Kagami entered the Zone in the beginning of the match, but when he entered the Zone again, it was the Deep Zone. Also Aomine witnessed the second gate, the gate of Direct Drive Zone. So he must have been in Deep Zone in order to be able to see the second gate. Why Aomine destroyed Kagami is because Kagami wasn't really playing. Aomine stated that Kagami pushes himself to the limits when his teammates wishes are with him. That wasn't really Kagami at his full effort.

Akashi is established to be the best player in the series. He even stated he's absolute and ankle broke Nash.

 

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Because PC was established to be a form. That's why.

Did I state Direct Drive Zone? I said Deep Zone. There's a difference. Kagami entered the Zone in the beginning of the match, but when he entered the Zone again, it was the Deep Zone. Also Aomine witnessed the second gate, the gate of Direct Drive Zone. So he must have been in Deep Zone in order to be able to see the second gate. Why Aomine destroyed Kagami is because Kagami wasn't really playing. Aomine stated that Kagami pushes himself to the limits when his teammates wishes are with him. That wasn't really Kagami at his full effort.

Akashi is established to be the best player in the series. He even stated he's absolute and ankle broke Nash.

There are no "forms". It's just them going all out. They aren't Saiyans that transform or something like that. Changing your personality and using it's special eye powers is no that different from being serious (PC). Keep in mind Kise could copy Aomine in "base". The golden eyes in PC just make it look "cool". PC Zone is just Kise doing his very best. Also, what do we call Akashi without EE in his normal personality? I always thought that's base Akashi.

So you were talking about Zone Kagami with animal instincts. Ok, gotcha.

About the last part, was that ever stated? I know it has been stated several times that Aomine is the best and I know that Kuroko called Kise the best after their match and Midorima confirmed Kise>Zone Aomine, Silver etc. Was the same ever stated for Akashi? I honestly can't remember. Fapping yourself like Akashi did doesn't really prove anything because I could say the same for Aomine.

But everything aside. Kise>Akashi>Aomine if they go all out by feats. But I'm sure both Akashi and Aomine will impress us in the last quarter. I just doubt that we will se a Kise style solo in the next chapters. From what it looks like, Aomine will take on Silver, Akashi will take on Gold and Midorima will probably enter the Zone and score some points. Akashi wrecking Jabberwock all alone would be extremely anti climatic. Akashi is my fave alongside Kise, but honestly, that would be so boring.

 

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There are no "forms". It's just them going all out. They aren't Saiyans that transform or something like that. Changing your personality and using it's special eye powers is no that different from being serious (PC). Keep in mind Kise could copy Aomine in "base". The golden eyes in PC just make it look "cool". PC Zone is just Kise doing his very best. Also, what do we call Akashi without EE in his normal personality? I always thought that's base Akashi.

So you were talking about Zone Kagami with animal instincts. Ok, gotcha.

About the last part, was that ever stated? I know it has been stated several times that Aomine is the best and I know that Kuroko called Kise the best after their match and Midorima confirmed Kise>Zone Aomine, Silver etc. Was the same ever stated for Akashi? I honestly can't remember. Fapping yourself like Akashi did doesn't really prove anything because I could say the same for Aomine.

But everything aside. Kise>Akashi>Aomine if they go all out by feats. But I'm sure both Akashi and Aomine will impress us in the last quarter. I just doubt that we will se a Kise style solo in the next chapters. From what it looks like, Aomine will take on Silver, Akashi will take on Gold and Midorima will probably enter the Zone and score some points. Akashi wrecking Jabberwock all alone would be extremely anti climatic. Akashi is my fave alongside Kise, but honestly, that would be so boring.

You see it cant be considered Base because he cannot keep it up for long. Base Kise was against Haizaki before he used PC where he was getting wrecked.

EE is most definitely Base Akashi. Akashi can keep emperor eye for years if he wants with no drawbacks whatsoever, its his choice which version of Akashi he wants or needs. There are two versions, lets call him evil Akashi for now.

Evil Akashi has EE as his base, its literally his regular eye. He has it inside a match and outside a match, while eating ramen watching a movie whatever it may be. This is manga fact as he used it outside of a match before TWICE

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You see it cant be considered Base because he cannot keep it up for long. Base Kise was against Haizaki before he used PC where he was getting wrecked.

EE is most definitely Base Akashi. Akashi can keep emperor eye for years if he wants with no drawbacks whatsoever, its his choice which version of Akashi he wants or needs. There are two versions, lets call him evil Akashi for now.

Evil Akashi has EE as his base, its literally his regular eye. He has it inside a match and outside a match, while eating ramen watching a movie whatever it may be. This is manga fact as he used it outside of a match before TWICE

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Ok, I see you, can't disagree with that. But I honestly didn't want this to be discussion about base forms. I just wanted to establish why Kise is the currently strongest 1 on 1 player in KnB without restrictions and by feats.

 

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Ok, I see you, can't disagree with that. But I honestly didn't want this to be discussion about base forms. I just wanted to establish why Kise is the currently strongest 1 on 1 player in KnB without restrictions and by feats.

As of right now if it was a short 1v1 match and he manages to have both PC and Zone yes he definitely has an argument for strongest. BUT we have not seen Zone EE Akashi just yet (in this match), so there's a strong possibility he is just as strong as Zone PC Kise or maybe even stronger.

The reason base was brought up was because

PC Kise = Zone GOM
EE Akashi = Zone GOM

And since PC + Zone Kise > Jason
EE + Zone Akashi > Jason as well especially considering he stole the ball in EE minus zone from Nash.

Not to mention the fact that it is already laid out that Zone Akashi >> Zone Aomine, Kagami etc.

So Kise in Zone being above Aomine in zone is nothing new.

As for favourites Akashi is my least favourite GOM, Aomine is one of my favourite anime characters let alone Kuroko No basket character.

 

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As of right now if it was a short 1v1 match and he manages to have both PC and Zone yes he definitely has an argument for strongest. BUT we have not seen Zone EE Akashi just yet (in this match), so there's a strong possibility he is just as strong as Zone PC Kise or maybe even stronger.

The reason base was brought up was because

PC Kise = Zone GOM
EE Akashi = Zone GOM

And since PC + Zone Kise > Jason
EE + Zone Akashi > Jason as well especially considering he stole the ball in EE minus zone from Nash.

Not to mention the fact that it is already laid out that Zone Akashi >> Zone Aomine, Kagami etc.

So Kise in Zone being above Aomine in zone is nothing new.

As for favourites Akashi is my least favourite GOM, Aomine is one of my favourite anime characters let alone Kuroko No basket character.

That's right. Akashi sure as hell will F Jabberwock up. I wouldn't even be mad, I like Aomine, Kise and Akashi equally. So there's that. But as I said, I doubt Akashi will do the same as Kise, that would be boring. I think he will take care of Gold while making good passes and Aomine will take care of Silver. Akashi being superior to Kise would make the last chapter and Kises efforts a joke and kill Kises purpose of being a "Burst Character" so to speak and all the hype and story around him (being canonically the weakest GoM and becoming the strongest).

Final argument: Kise was on the field from the very beginning of the first quarter until the end of the third. He played in base mode in the first two and used PC at the beginning of the third. While in PC Kise was said to be on Zone Aomine's level by Nash and it was supported by both portayal and characters. The timer of the game tells us that kise was in PC for 6 minutes and 27 seconds, because the timer shows us that there are 3 minutes and 33 seconds to play right before Kise enters Zone. This logically means that a non exhausted Kise can go even longer into PC+Zone. Even if it would be like only 5 minutes. A one on one would be over within that timeline.

 

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That's right. Akashi sure as hell will F Jabberwock up. I wouldn't even be mad, I like Aomine, Kise and Akashi equally. So there's that. But as I said, I doubt Akashi will do the same as Kise, that would be boring. I think he will take care of Gold and Aomine will take care of Silver.

Final argument: Kise was on the field from the very beginning of the first quarter until the end of the third. He played in base mode in the first two and used PC at the beginning of the third. While in PC Kise was said to be on Zone Aomine's level by Nash and it was supported by both portayal and characters. The timer of the game tells us that kise was in PC for 6 minutes and 27 seconds, because the timer shows us that there are 3 minutes and 33 seconds to play right before Kise enters Zone. This logically means that a non exhausted Kise can go even longer into PC+Zone. Even if it would be like only 5 minutes. A one on one would be over within that timeline.

Right now my only issue is why do the japanese only have powerups lol? If Base Silver is that strong he should have a zone version of himself as well, same thing with Nash and the rest of the team.

At the end of the day Jabberwock should be superior.

 

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Right now my only issue is why do the japanese only have powerups lol? If Base Silver is that strong he should have a zone version of himself as well, same thing with Nash and the rest of the team.

At the end of the day Jabberwock should be superior.

That's true. But the reason must be because they don't "love" basketball. I think you can't enter the Zone without doing that. But oh well, I bet they still will do something like that and Kagami will have to use Direct Drive Zone even though it was said that they aren't in perfect sync yet and are therefore unable to use it. I bet the mangaka will shit on logic in the last few chapters. I'm happy with it right now though.

 

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There are no "forms". It's just them going all out. They aren't Saiyans that transform or something like that. Changing your personality and using it's special eye powers is no that different from being serious (PC). Keep in mind Kise could copy Aomine in "base". The golden eyes in PC just make it look "cool". PC Zone is just Kise doing his very best. Also, what do we call Akashi without EE in his normal personality? I always thought that's base Akashi.

So you were talking about Zone Kagami with animal instincts. Ok, gotcha.

About the last part, was that ever stated? I know it has been stated several times that Aomine is the best and I know that Kuroko called Kise the best after their match and Midorima confirmed Kise>Zone Aomine, Silver etc. Was the same ever stated for Akashi? I honestly can't remember. Fapping yourself like Akashi did doesn't really prove anything because I could say the same for Aomine.

But everything aside. Kise>Akashi>Aomine if they go all out by feats. But I'm sure both Akashi and Aomine will impress us in the last quarter. I just doubt that we will se a Kise style solo in the next chapters. From what it looks like, Aomine will take on Silver, Akashi will take on Gold and Midorima will probably enter the Zone and score some points. Akashi wrecking Jabberwock all alone would be extremely anti climatic. Akashi is my fave alongside Kise, but honestly, that would be so boring.

Emperor Eye is Akashi's signature technique. Perfect Copy is his advanced technique. He can still copy moves without it, but he needs this for copying the abilities of the GoM.

Zone Kagami with Animal Instincts? That was established since the Touo match. Aomine stated that he's diving deeper into the Zone; hence the name Deep Zone.

Yeah, even in the beginning of the Rakuzan match. We can even use the match against Touo as proof too. When Kagami blocked Aomine after their time expired, he stated that he would lose to Aomine, but because of the wishes of his teammates he will win. Kagami's true potential comes from his will.

Also let me go by this on your terms. PC Kise was stated to be close to Zone Aomine. Base Akashi defeated Zone Bakagami (Kagami when he lost his concentration). Zone Kagami ~ Zone Aomine. So by that, we conclude that Base Akashi > PC Kise. So chronologically, Zone Akashi > Zone PC Kise.

In any way, tell me this. How was Kise capable of copying Aomine's formless shot, Murasakibara's thor hammer, Akashi's emperor eye, and Midorima's three pointer? Because they were non-Zone abilities. If Kise was capable of copying Zone abilities in PC without being in the Zone himself, why didn't he copy Kagami's Meteor Jam? Because it's a Zone level technique.

 

[Red Slayer]

Akashi the best IMO

Well my favs are Kagami and Amoine

 

[Apple Knight]

Main character

 

[ARGUS]

Can't believe the shit I'm seeing here
No, Akashi with just EE is not beating any GoM with Zone

When kagami entered zone, the second time, Akashi was completely shut down and all he could do was pass to his team mates outside his area

As for PC zone kise, sure he's strong and was more dominant than silver but his power lasts about a few minutes at best. Looking at overall ability; that's not enough to put him at 1 when he won't be at that level the whole game. And his base is far weaker than aomine, kagami, Akashi or even murasakibara

So in terms of individual overall ability it would be
Akashi > kagami >= aomine > murasakibara = kise > midorima > rest

If we include jabberwock then nash and silver would be above GOM especially when their base stats were enough and they certainly had the potential to go zone

 

[SSStylish]

Re-read some time ago and watched the movie.

Kise with PC+Zone is beyond a doubt the strongest character in the series. A one on one match doesn't last very long, so stamina wouldn't be a factor here. As for non 1v1 scenarios, he's a valuable player as he can play on any position and can be used as a trump card (PC+Zone).

Akashi is very good and just like Nash the most important member of his team. Nash was said to be the stronger of the two though and this was very evident once he played seriously. Nothing Akashi did in the movie/manga puts him above Kise in a 1v1 scenario.

Aomine was very consistent in the game but not on the hype level of Kise, Nash or Akashi.

Murasakibara was shat on the whole game and shined for a short time only to get shat on even more.

Midorima is the worst in a 1v1 but did his job in the game.

Kagami was probably the most useless member of Vorpal Swords. He did the least amount of them.



1v1 - Kise: Nobody can stop him once he's in zone.

in a regular game - Nash: He's taller than Akashi, has more hax skills, is faster, way stronger (dunked on Zone Kagami) and the players basically confirmed that he's better.

So basically Kise is the strongest and Nash is the best.

 

[Reborn]

Pretty sure this thread should be closed by now or a new discussion open entirely. Then again, not my section so I'm not entirely sure how the M.A.C is handled. Only clicked here because of the bait and the fact. For the sake of making an on topic post in the event this is still a legitimate argument;

The Strongest KnB Character is: Teamwork-chan > Nash >= Silver in that order. Teamwork is backed by Deus and has the skill of logic negation that makes the otherwise unbeatable, beatable; hence the ill conceived outcome of extra game.