Kisame vs both Raikages

[Tantalus Thief]

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After that they eat some nice sushi.

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[Null Man]

Kisame speedblitzes.

 

[Apêx1]

Who said he would even get a chance to use any Jutsu what So ever?

Kisame would most definitely be able to spit out water before Ay can activate his v2 shroud and start running. Reaching him from 50 meters instantly is another problem, because Kisame is not some kind of low tier when it comes to reaction speed. His 30% self swung the sword before 6G Gai could reach him from several meters, 50 meters is a hole different story, as is 100% Kisame.

 

[Draegod]

Kisame would most definitely be able to spit out water before Ay can activate his v2 shroud and start running. Reaching him from 50 meters instantly is another problem, because Kisame is not some kind of low tier when it comes to reaction speed. His 30% self swung the sword before 6G Gai could reach him from several meters, 50 meters is a hole different story, as is 100% Kisame.

Requires sama to be seperate either thrown in air or placed on ground, he cannot do Jutsu with one hand (based on manga). The slow sequence of events require way to much (place sama in air or ground, hand signs and yell Jutsu, slap hands, inhale air, then spit water from mouth...... Lol....... Raiton shroud is instant no prep, it's just think and bam, shunshin! 6g shitted on him no diff. Him using 30% chakra doesn't affect his speed/reaction/durability/brain/skin/muscle/eyes/weight/reach/fist size etcetera.

He gets blitz by v1 from 50 easily when slower ninja accomplished great feats from further distance with shunshin.

 

[Beans2]

Requires sama to be seperate either thrown in air or placed on ground, he cannot do Jutsu with one hand (based on manga). The slow sequence of events require way to much (place sama in air or ground, hand signs and yell Jutsu, slap hands, inhale air, then spit water from mouth...... Lol....... Raiton shroud is instant no prep, it's just think and bam, shunshin! 6g shitted on him no diff. Him using 30% chakra doesn't affect his speed/reaction/durability/brain/skin/muscle/eyes/weight/reach/fist size etcetera.

He gets blitz by v1 from 50 easily when slower ninja accomplished great feats from further distance with shunshin.

Water dome only needs one hand to make the seal

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[Draegod]

Water dome only needs one hand to make the seal

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And do you really think he will be able to do that charge chakra sequence and **** back of head and waive hand sign(s) let alone raise his arms, when minato could barely flick his wrist a few cm... Please tell me you're joking. Easy blitz!

 

[Xlad]

Kisame...loses.

 

[Zexion~]

Because Ay would blitz Kisame... And with the two of them together, they'd overwhelm him. Only way he'd win, is if he successfully gets up the WD and captures at least the Sandaime in it.

What does a blitz do? He was absorbing V2 Bee with ease, who is around V1 Ay's speed, and its not like anything he throws at Kisame can't be healed from only thing that can't is nukite.

 

[Apêx1]

Requires sama to be seperate either thrown in air or placed on ground, he cannot do Jutsu with one hand (based on manga). The slow sequence of events require way to much (place sama in air or ground, hand signs and yell Jutsu, slap hands, inhale air, then spit water from mouth...... Lol....... Raiton shroud is instant no prep, it's just think and bam, shunshin! 6g shitted on him no diff. Him using 30% chakra doesn't affect his speed/reaction/durability/brain/skin/muscle/eyes/weight/reach/fist size etcetera.

He gets blitz by v1 from 50 easily when slower ninja accomplished great feats from further distance with shunshin.

He did this jutsu with a single hand, the sequence of events are not slow, it's a hand seal followed by spitting out water. There's absolutely no way Ay can activate v2 and cross that distance before Kisame does this [

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], you're overrating his speed terribly. And hell to the no about v1 Ay blitzing Kisame at any point of this fight.

What even are his speed feats apart from getting countered by Sasuke and getting intercepted by Base Bee? V1 Bee is probably around the same speed as V1 Ay, and Kisame has reacted to him from a few meters several times. Get me some amazing speed feat from v1 Ay or stop suggesting he is some god when it comes to speed feats like his v2 counter part. And lol, v2 shroud is not instant, Karin stated his chakra levels were still growing [

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] as he was prepping to dodge Amaterasu, meaning it takes time to enter it.

 

[Draegod]

He did this jutsu with a single hand, the sequence of events are not slow, it's a hand seal followed by spitting out water. There's absolutely no way Ay can activate v2 and cross that distance before Kisame does this [

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], you're overrating his speed terribly. And hell to the no about v1 Ay blitzing Kisame at any point of this fight.

What even are his speed feats apart from getting countered by Sasuke and getting intercepted by Base Bee? V1 Bee is probably around the same speed as V1 Ay, and Kisame has reacted to him from a few meters several times. Get me some amazing speed feat from v1 Ay or stop suggesting he is some god when it comes to speed feats like his v2 counter part. And lol, v2 shroud is not instant, Karin stated his chakra levels were still growing [

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] as he was prepping to dodge Amaterasu, meaning it takes time to enter it.

1. He has to charge his chakra first then cok his head back and inhave air to spit the Jutsu out.
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3. Whats even more funny is that you think That sasuke has reacted from A shunshin from Aye. And even more funny is that you think Bee did the same. Sasuke reacted to a non shunshin elbow strike (STRIKING SPEED, NOT MOVEMENT). And Bee reacted to a One arm standing still single punch (striking speed, NOT MOVEMENT). Please please learn the difference in speed!
4. And no bro... Kisame has never in life ever ever reacted from a Shunshin from bee! Because he has never used Shunshin in there fight not once! Fact! Him using standard running speed is not a shunshsin please learn the difference!
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This argument is clearly over when in V1 he is stated to be on par if not faster then Minato (viz translation and Databook translation btw). Please show me these god reflex Kisame has displayed when 6 gate guy raped him! Please!!! Are we really saying V1 is slow

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to enter and Still wayyyyyyyyyy faster then he can lift his arm, charge chakra (fact) then cok head back and attempt to spit water out.


Please please show me these amazing Kisame feats of doing what even EMS Rinnegan madara, KCM naruto, MS Sasuke couldnt do. The fact that you think V1 is slow shows im probably wasting my time.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

What does a blitz do? He was absorbing V2 Bee with ease, who is around V1 Ay's speed, and its not like anything he throws at Kisame can't be healed from only thing that can't is nukite.

Yeah, but V2 Bee contained too much chakra for Kisame/Samehada to absorp at once. The 3rd & 4th Raikages both have bijuu level chakra, and together would easily overload Samehadas absorption, where 1 finger nukite one shots.

 

[Apêx1]

1. He has to charge his chakra first then cok his head back and inhave air to spit the Jutsu out.

He doesn't inhale anything, that's him brining up the water into his mouth. Not that it makes sense for him to inhale in the first place since this isn't a Futon. Anyways, it occurs faster then Ay going into v2.

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Yet Minato still threw his Kunai's out before Ay could finish prepping. Ay had his cloak up

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before Minato even reached into his pouch and threw the Kunai

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3. Whats even more funny is that you think That sasuke has reacted from A shunshin from Aye. And even more funny is that you think Bee did the same. Sasuke reacted to a non shunshin elbow strike (STRIKING SPEED, NOT MOVEMENT). And Bee reacted to a One arm standing still single punch (striking speed, NOT MOVEMENT). Please please learn the difference in speed!

It wasn't striking speed, it was both movement and striking speed since Ay was moving

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Sure, he stopped after he threw his strike, but he was running while he was throwing the strike and Sasuke dodged that

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so he still reacted to both his speed and his striking speed.
I'll concede on Bee though, I didn't recall Ay having been standing, thought he was moving.

4. And no bro... Kisame has never in life ever ever reacted from a Shunshin from bee! Because he has never used Shunshin in there fight not once! Fact! Him using standard running speed is not a shunshsin please learn the difference!

That's a complete assumption. No reason for me to believe he'd use any less then his top speed after having already been reacted to by Samehada. That was his top speed, and when he used v2 that was his top speed too.

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This argument is clearly over when in V1 he is stated to be on par if not faster then Minato (viz translation and Databook translation btw). Please show me these god reflex Kisame has displayed when 6 gate guy raped him! Please!!! Are we really saying V1 is slow

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to enter and Still wayyyyyyyyyy faster then he can lift his arm, charge chakra (fact) then cok head back and attempt to spit water out.

Lol, what the hell. You gave me the wrong scan because that scan didn't even mention Minato, and v2 Ay is slower then Minato so how would Minato be slower then v1 Ay? Makes no sense, because they never referenced movement speed. They always referenced reaction speed and teleportation speed. Please bring me the VIZ and the DB translation because I have never heard these claims before. 6G Gai was reacted to by Kisame movement speed wise, as shown when he swung his sword before Gai could reach him. And that was 30% Kisame whose power was also 30%. The Great Madara only blocked because he had no vision since the lava was blocking LoS, and Madara was busy saying that the jutsu was too pitiful to absorb [

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]. No, it doesn't take a second to enter.

Please please show me these amazing Kisame feats of doing what even EMS Rinnegan madara, KCM naruto, MS Sasuke couldnt do. The fact that you think V1 is slow shows im probably wasting my time.

Madara blocked after seeing Madara 10cm away, KCM Naruto blocked them all and then outright dodged the v2 Shunshin full speed, MS Sasuke couldn't dodge from 3 meters away, but still dodged the v1 attack. As I showed you already, Ay was in Raiton cloak and was still charging until after Minato put his hand into the Kunai pouch, threw the kunai's, and the kunai landed. There's no way that process is as fast as Kisame's WD prep, and he isn't crossing the 50 meter distance on top of that. I never said v1 is slow, I said it's slow when talking about blitzing the likes of Kisame.

 

[Zexion~]

Yeah, but V2 Bee contained too much chakra for Kisame/Samehada to absorp at once. The 3rd & 4th Raikages both have bijuu level chakra, and together would easily overload Samehadas absorption, where 1 finger nukite one shots.

Whut.

They may have Bijju level chakra but their cloaks don't nor does nukite. The attacks get absorbed is what i'm saying, no matter how many times they use it its going to be absorbed rendering their attacks weaker and healable by Kisame although again the only thing that can harm him fatally is nukite.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Whut.

They may have Bijju level chakra but their cloaks don't nor does nukite. The attacks get absorbed is what i'm saying, no matter how many times they use it its going to be absorbed rendering their attacks weaker and healable by Kisame although again the only thing that can harm him fatally is nukite.

When Ay activated his V2 cloak and charged it, Karin sensed the chakra levels and noted it to be tailed beast levels. Combine that with the 3rd, and they're easily surpassing Samehadas capacity to absorb chakra.

 

[Apêx1]

6 Tails worth of Hachibi chakra is in fact "Bijuu level." Bee is using some of his Bijuu chakra reserves in the same way Ay is using some of his Bijuu like reserves. It's not like Ay's entire chakra is leaked into that shroud, otherwise he'd be dead. When Karin saw Ay's chakra levels maxed out she claimed they are Bijuu level, when she saw Hachibi's fully transformed state she said that

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]. There's a clear difference in portrayal here, and no I'm not saying 6 tails worth of chakra=Hachibi levels of chakra, only that v2 Ay does not have Hachibi levels of chakra at all, let alone that amount in his v2 shroud.

 

[LuckyMan]

6 Tails worth of Hachibi chakra is in fact "Bijuu level." Bee is using some of his Bijuu chakra reserves in the same way Ay is using some of his Bijuu like reserves. It's not like Ay's entire chakra is leaked into that shroud, otherwise he'd be dead. When Karin saw Ay's chakra levels maxed out she claimed they are Bijuu level, when she saw Hachibi's fully transformed state she said that

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]. There's a clear difference in portrayal here, and no I'm not saying 6 tails worth of chakra=Hachibi levels of chakra, only that v2 Ay does not have Hachibi levels of chakra at all, let alone that amount in his v2 shroud.

While I don't think he has a much chakra as Hachibi his chakra shouldn't be far off from it either. For all we know, the only Bijuu Karin has seen before was Hachibi and she compared Ay's chakra to that level so they should be comparable at the least, but I do think Hachibi has a bit more.

 

[Apêx1]

While I don't think he has a much chakra as Hachibi his chakra shouldn't be far off from it either. For all we know, the only Bijuu Karin has seen before was Hachibi and she compared Ay's chakra to that level so they should be comparable at the least, but I do think Hachibi has a bit more.

I agree with that logic. But you can't really say that Ay was using even half of his chakra entire for that v2 Raiton shroud, similarly to how Bee wasn't using half of the Hachibi's chakra with those cloaks.

 

[Mellow]

The raikages would shit on kisame. The 3rd fought the 8 tails and 1000 shinobi. Cmon now

 

[Haizaki]

Kisame gets stomped.

 

[LuckyMan]

The raikages would shit on kisame. The 3rd fought the 8 tails and 10,000 shinobi for 3 days nonstop. Cmon now

Fixed it for you.