Misconception on transfer Kamui

[VongolaX]

It was very discrete that the right eye kamui needed to touch the object in order to warp somebody into dimensions.
That's not the case here, as the right eye can still warp other people/objects without contact at short to mid range.
Here's Obito warping somebody at close range:

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Here is him warping danzo's subordinate without any contact.
And he can't make any physical contact because his hands are in the pillar.


Now here's him using it again

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With that being said, Obito did not cancel kamui. In fact he can't, so his best bet is to stop it mid range like he did here:

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The problem with him using that kamui is that his body becomes vulnerable to attacks in the real world.

Also....

Obito can use kamui in kamui world:

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I think I'm going to uphold my promise on making a fun-fact naruto page.
For some reason he seems more interesting than he did before. So naruto fans can look forward to that... Eventually

 

[Bolt Da Big Fat Phony]

He obviously was touching him, but it wasn't shown :| what the ****?

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

His whole body was out of the floor when he took that yamanaka (can't remember his name lol)

And the scene with madara transitions to a close up on him when he appears.

He has always had to touch them to get them to enter the kamui.

Its why he lost his arm to damn what the hell was that aburma characters name ? lol

 

[Xlad]

How did you know he wasn't touching Sakura? What basis do you have that presuppose this kind of ability can be used? Plus, where did the idea of Obito not being able to cancel out Kamui come from?

 

[TenseiganFTW]

Well you have a point.
Just like when Hiruzen used elements vs GuruGuru.
I think Obito with the right eye can use middle ranged Kamui.

 

[VongolaX]

How did you know he wasn't touching Sakura? What basis do you have that presuppose this kind of ability can be used? Plus, where did the idea of Obito not being able to cancel out Kamui come from?

Considering the fact that he couldn't raise his hand to destroy the rinnegan and he asked Sakura for help.
The fact that black zetsu was literally holding Obito down...

Do you even read the manga?

Well you have a point.
Just like when Hiruzen used elements vs GuruGuru.
I think Obito with the right eye can use middle ranged Kamui.

Exactly.

Canceling kamui is absurd as itachi canceling Sasuke's Amatersu.

 

[Xlad]

Considering the fact that he couldn't raise his hand to destroy the rinnegan and he asked Sakura for help.
The fact that black zetsu was literally holding Obito down...

Do you even read the manga?

So you really are the hostile type.

 

[Angelic.]

kamui is very confusing

im sure he can warp people and things out without touching them bc its his space and he rules

 

[VongolaX]

So you really are the hostile type.

What? :|

 

[Rikudo SenninKun Namikaze]

With that being said, Obito did not cancel kamui. In fact he can't, so his best bet is to stop it mid range like he did here:

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if that's not what happened there when kakashi tried to kamui the 10-tail's head off; then what do you think happened? besides obito negating the kamui kakashi sent to the head... keep in mind this is pre-knowing-it's-obito and obito with a rinnegan also. completely different from a obito with just one MS.

p.s. and no. don't try to say, oh he moved the shell of 10-tails... cuz that circle you put on there does not show the shell being moved. it's showing kakashi being actually facing it just like it was before he tried to kamui it.

 

[VongolaX]

if that's not what happened there when kakashi tried to kamui the 10-tail's head off; then what do you think happened? besides obito negating the kamui kakashi sent to the head... keep in mind this is pre-knowing-it's-obito and obito with a rinnegan also. completely different from a obito with just one MS.

Did you bother to read the post?

I seriously posted a scan of Obito using mid range kamui to stop kakashi's long range kamui.
He literally had to run away from naruto's chakra arm because his body was left vulnerable.

Read TenseiganFTW's post, he seems to be the only one that gets it.

What does the rinnegan have to do with sharingan?
Two different doujustus entirely that had no effect on the other. The rinnegan was making Obito lose control, not helping him.
So that rinnegan comment is pointless.

 

[Xlad]

What? :|

Okay, I'll be serious. What Obito did to Sakura is exactly the same as did with these:

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That's because she like those shurikens were in the Kamui dimension. It's not the same as warping objects from the real world into his dimension. Otherwise, he would never have to get close to Fu and Torune.

Not only this, but where is the prove that Obito can't cancel Kamui? I'm actually serious on that one.

 

[VongolaX]

Okay, I'll be serious. What Obito did to Sakura is exactly the same as did with these:

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Obito had to focus his kamui on Sakura in order to warp her. The ninja tools that was ejected by Obito was not spotted in kamui, touched, or focused on. So we can't use that, especially when nobody knows how he used it.

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That's because she like those shurikens were in the Kamui dimension. It's not the same as warping objects from the real world into his dimension. Otherwise, he would never have to get close to Fu and Torune.

Obito focused his kamui on Sakura, not the ninja tools
I'm yet to see the manga state transfer kamui is different from inside dimensions than outside in the real world.
His close-mid range kamui requires him to get close, just like he did with Gedo mazou.

Not only this, but where is the prove that Obito can't cancel Kamui? I'm actually serious on that one.

The proof that kamui can't cancel kamui isn't the fight he had with Kakashi after the mask broke.
He sent Kakashi into dimensions, but he never cancelled it to prevent his return.
I've never heard a ms technique cancel another.
Itachi can't cancel his brother's Amatersu.

 

[LordGamatatsu]

Obito focused his kamui on Sakura, not the ninja tools
I'm yet to see the manga state transfer kamui is different from inside dimensions than outside in the real world.

Not everything has to be stated clearly in the manga.
Obito always ejected things out of the kamui dimension (weapons, sasuke, Karin, etc) without any physical contact, so it's safe to assume he can eject anything that is inside the kamui dimension.

 

[Xlad]

Obito had to focus his kamui on Sakura in order to warp her. The ninja tools that was ejected by Obito was not spotted in kamui, touched, or focused on. So we can't use that, especially when nobody knows how he used it.

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And that's relevant because? So you're basically saying Obito somehow create a portal

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? I have yet to see a scan where such an ability exists.

Obito focused his kamui on Sakura, not the ninja tools
I'm yet to see the manga state transfer kamui is different from inside dimensions than outside in the real world.

Again, why is this relevant? It doesn't matter what person or object he focuses on. What? I only said that sending objects out of the dimension is different than sending them into his dimension. Where did I say that?

The proof that kamui can't cancel kamui isn't the fight he had with Kakashi after the mask broke.
He sent Kakashi into dimensions, but he never cancelled it to prevent his return.
I've never heard a ms technique cancel another.
Itachi can't cancel his brother's Amatersu.

Where did this come from? Last time I check, he sent Kakashi into his dimension so they can fight man to man. Bold: That's a piss poor example since Kakashi is using one of Obito's eye. Itachi and Sasuke awaken Amaterasu individually.

 

[VongolaX]

Not everything has to be stated clearly in the manga.
Obito always ejected things out of the kamui dimension (weapons, sasuke, Karin, etc) without any physical contact, so it's safe to assume he can eject anything that is inside the kamui dimension.

He did make physical contact

 

[VongolaX]

And that's relevant because? So you're basically saying Obito somehow create a portal

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? I have yet to see a scan where such an ability exists.

As of I, because I have no on what you are speculating here.
Because I never stated such thing.
Just like Kakashi, Obito has to focus his kamui on somebody before warping to and from dimensions.
The difference here is that Obito is short-mid range and Kakashi is long range.

Again, why is this relevant? It doesn't matter what person or object he focuses on. What? I only said that sending objects out of the dimension is different than sending them into his dimension. Where did I say that?

Bold: Are you serious?

The whole point to kamui is to focus on the object/person.
He warped Sakura out of kamui dimensions by focusing his right eye on her. The scan I posted prove this.

Where did this come from? Last time I check, he sent Kakashi into his dimension so they can fight man to man. Bold: That's a piss poor example since Kakashi is using one of Obito's eye. Itachi and Sasuke awaken Amaterasu individually.

1st Bold: Okay, so it's clear that you are not reading.
He never cancelled kakashi's kamui here:

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No kamui cancel and he made his way back to naruto.

2. So EMS Sasuke doesn't have itachi's eyes huh?
Itachi met ms Sasuke before or is that a piss poor excuse?

Ms can't cancel another persons ms:

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Otherwise itachi would of done it from the start of his meeting with Sasuke.

 

[Xlad]

As of I, because I have no on what you are speculating here.
Because I never stated such thing.
Just like Kakashi, Obito has to focus his kamui on somebody before warping to and from dimensions.
The difference here is that Obito is short-mid range and Kakashi is long range.

No, you didn't say that. But what else could you be asserting then? Not everything has to be focused in order for us to know what is happening.

That is something I pretty much already know. Not even sure what is the deal behind that statement.

Bold: Are you serious?

The whole point to kamui is to focus on the object/person.
He warped Sakura out of kamui dimensions by focusing his right eye on her. The scan I posted prove this.

You're trying to presuppose that Sakura was somehow a different case than when he was using the ninja tools. Which was exactly the same way as he did with his Shurikens. Why does this prove your claims when you ignore the fact that Obito had to touch Minato in order to warp him? Did you forget about the entire fight?

1st Bold: Okay, so it's clear that you are not reading.
He never cancelled kakashi's kamui here:

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No kamui cancel

Wait, that one?

First, please paste the actual image links and not Google search ones. Second, the first image showed Obito warping Kakashi into his dimesion. Obito didn't expect that Kakashi would escape the same way with his eye. That is why he said it was due to his left eye and said it was expected of Kakashi to figure out a way. Then there's the fact that Obito sent him into his dimension, which wouldn't have happened had he known.

2. So EMS Sasuke doesn't have itachi's eyes huh?
Itachi met ms Sasuke before or is that a piss poor excuse?

Sasuke and Itachi awaken Amaterasu individually before EMS happened. You would have a point if this happened afterwards, which isn't the case. Sasuke awakened it on his own, so whether he now use Itachi's eyes is completely irrelevant.

 

[Diabound]

So you got my first post deleted huh? I'll just post it again without my blunt opinion on this thread.

It was very discrete that the right eye kamui needed to touch the object in order to warp somebody into dimensions.
That's not the case here, as the right eye can still warp other people/objects without contact at short to mid range.
Here's Obito warping somebody at close range:

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Here is him warping danzo's subordinate without any contact.
And he can't make any physical contact because his hands are in the pillar.

There was obviously contact, it wasn't shown, you can't see Obito's hand in that scan.

But then again according to your logic, if it's not shown, it never happened.

Example: You think edos can spawn wherever they choose because Hiruzen randomly appeared out of nowhere to rescue Naruto from the God Tree despite the fact he was taken down 6 chapters prior. Every logical person knows he regenerated and moved to Naruto's location off panel.

Now here's him using it again

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He can eject objects inside Kamui with no contact.

-Ejected Shuriken
-Ejected Sasuke and Karin during the Danzo fight

Doesn't prove he can warp people into Kamui without contact. Never shown or implied. And why risk touching Minato when he can warp him from mid-range then?

Also....

Obito can use kamui in kamui world:

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Which no one denies, he just can't phase inside Kamui.

 

[VongolaX]

No, you didn't say that. But what else could you be asserting then? Not everything has to be focused in order for us to know what is happening.

Yes it does

That is something I pretty much already know. Not even sure what is the deal behind that statement.

You're trying to presuppose that Sakura was somehow a different case than when he was using the ninja tools. Which was exactly the same way as he did with his Shurikens. Why does this prove your claims when you ignore the fact that Obito had to touch Minato in order to warp him? Did you forget about the entire fight?

Well obviously. Considering the fact that the ninja tools was not touched or focused on like all the other normal kamui attacks.
What Obito used was exactly the same kamui as he used on Kaguya's ash bone.
When Obito ejects objects from dimensions, his body needs to be in the real world and he doesn't need to focus/eye contact to shoot out. It is so obvious that both of these kamui's are different.
Obito said that touching minato and warping is faster than his other kamui, even Kakashi wouldn't use range kamui on minato face to face.

Wait, that one?

First, please paste the actual image links and not Google search ones. Second, the first image showed Obito warping Kakashi into his dimesion. Obito didn't expect that Kakashi would escape the same way with his eye. That is why he said it was due to his left eye and said it was expected of Kakashi to figure out a way. Then there's the fact that Obito sent him into his dimension, which wouldn't have happened had he known.

Whatever URL decides to work with my phone is what you get.
In the mean time bare with it.

He wasn't surprised at all, he just confirmed that those are his left eyes. The fact that he waited for his return, completely negated what you just assumed.

Sasuke and Itachi awaken Amaterasu individually before EMS happened. You would have a point if this happened afterwards, which isn't the case. Sasuke awakened it on his own, so whether he now use Itachi's eyes is completely irrelevant.

Kakashi awakened Obito's sharingan too. And the fact that Sasuke is literally using itachi's eyes proves that MS can't cancel another person's MS.
It's a fanfiction that was never stated in the manga. Otherwise, Kakashi sending naruto into dimensions wouldn't of happened. Why didn't Obito "cancel," kakashi's during that whole fight?