Edo Madara vs Juubi Jin Obito

[Nagato The Sage]

Madara is Edo

Obito is a Juubi Jin before he gained control. (No onmyton)

Full Intel. Discuss, Madara takes it imo.

 

[Blunt]

V1 Juubito? Juubito gets smashed. V2 Juubito on the other hand would win.

 

[KidGamer65]

-Can't scratch PS.
-Can't tank it's attacks.
-Can't outlast an Edo.

PS obliterates him. Not debatable.

 

[Nagato The Sage]

V1 Juubito? Juubito gets smashed. V2 Juubito on the other hand would win.

V1 is what it is

 

[Blunt]

-Can't scratch PS.
-Can't tank it's attacks.
-Can't outlast an Edo.

PS obliterates him. Not debatable.

How about v2 Juubito? It's almost the same here, except Obito has superior speed, durability (which is negligible) Omyouton and his intelligence. Though he's still not immune to PS slashes as they are physical damage, Juubi tree gets diced and his Goudama aren't tanking shockwaves.

I just choose Juubito due to popular consensus, but logically speaking he doesn't have anything on PS without Quad TBB, but as I have already stated that can be stopped.

 

[KidGamer65]

How about v2 Juubito? It's almost the same here, except Obito has superior speed, Omyouton and his intelligence. Though he's still not immune to PS slashes as they are physical damage, tree gets diced to pieces and his Goudama are pretty irrelevant here.

I just choose Juubito due to popular consensus, buy logically speaking he doesn't have anything on PS without Quad TBB, but as I have already stated that can be stopped.

Tbh I was literally having the same exact thoughts as you. I even asked a question to some people a while back, "Juubito vs. PS" and I got no good arguments for Juubito's side. Though Shinju used in combination with the BD would obliterate him. But w/o Quad Bijuu Dama and Shinju he gets taken down, but Madara has to have Senjutsu. PS slash is chakra thus it gets negated.

 

[Blunt]

Tbh I was literally having the same exact thoughts as you. I even asked a question to some people a while back, "Juubito vs. PS" and I got no good arguments for Juubito's side. Though Shinju used in combination with the BD would obliterate him. But w/o Quad Bijuu Dama and Shinju he gets taken down, but Madara has to have Senjutsu. PS slash is chakra thus it gets negated.

The tree here?

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. Because the branch canonically shown charging TBB would get decimated. Also, how do you mean the PS slashes are chakra? The blade itself, if it literally connected would probably be negated due to this, but a shockwave (the extension of it's power) is purely physical damage am I wrong?


Edit: Misread what you said, Shinju can cause problems long enough for TBB to be set off. Thought you were referring to Shinju using the TBB, which hadn't made sense.

 

[Kagustuchi]

Tbh I was literally having the same exact thoughts as you. I even asked a question to some people a while back, "Juubito vs. PS" and I got no good arguments for Juubito's side. Though Shinju used in combination with the BD would obliterate him. But w/o Quad Bijuu Dama and Shinju he gets taken down, but Madara has to have Senjutsu. PS slash is chakra thus it gets negated.

Juubito was wrecking BSM Naruto and Sasuke with a Senjutsu PS level Susano'O, and his Onmyoton was tanking Senjutsu Bijudama. I think Juubito could beat Edo Madara's PS as well as EMS Madara's superior PS.

Still not sure how powerful I think DRG Mortal Madara would be, but for now I think Juubito beats him as well.

 

[Omar19992010]

Madara doesn't have Senjutsu so he can't hurt Juubito.

 

[KidGamer65]

Juubito was wrecking BSM Naruto and Sasuke with a Senjutsu PS level Susano'O, and his Onmyoton was tanking Senjutsu Bijudama. I think Juubito could beat Edo Madara's PS as well as EMS Madara's superior PS.

His Gudo Dama took a small Senjutsu BD and got a hole put in it. If Madara strikes with something that has the power to cut multiple Mountains (with an indirect hit no less) and is focused into a blade at that, Obito's Gudo Dama either takes damage or he gets cut through. If not in one strike, then definitely in the second strike.

The only reason Juubito beat Naruto and Sasuke there is because Naruto's larger attacks have to be charged, and his drop slam was strong enough to break their Avatars. His Gudo Dama aren't even large enough to grasp Madara's PS, and even if he could. His drop slam caps out at destroying Sasuke's Senjutsu PS level Susanoo and leaving him relatively unharmed. Madara would tank.

He only beats PS w/ Shinju and/or Bijuu Dama.

The Shinju itself busting TBB or the tree here?

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. Because the branch canonically shown charging TBB would get decimated. Also, how do you mean the PS slashes are chakra? The blade itself, if it literally connected would probably be negated due to this, but a shockwave (the extension of it's power) is purely physical damage am I wrong?

Though if I'm incorrect on that point than yeah, Senjutsu is needed, though an Alive DRG Madara would casually take this.

I was talking about the actual tree. Using it and Bijuu Dama together means Madara dies a terrible death. Shinju's roots would absorb Madara's PS in a heartbeat, and BD would atomize him. Tbh, he can't even handle all of the Shinju's roots coming at him at once, so he'd lose with that alone. While he's busy taking the Shinju on, Obito releases BD and kills him.

But you have a point with the shockwave.

 

[Kagustuchi]

His Gudo Dama took a small Senjutsu BD and got a hole put in it. If Madara strikes with something that has the power to cut multiple Mountains and is focused into a blade at that, Obito's Gudo Dama either takes damage or he gets cut through. If not in one strike, then definitely in the second strike.

Durability of the wall changes with the amount of Gudo used in the shield, not sure but I think he only used one orb that time. Using all of the orbs allowed him to withstand the Juubi's BD.

The only reason Juubito beat Naruto and Sasuke there is because Naruto's larger attacks have to be charged, and his drop slam was strong enough to break their Avatars. His Gudo Dama aren't even large enough to grasp Madara's PS, and even if he could. His drop slam caps out at destroying Sasuke's Senjutsu PS level Susanoo and leaving him relatively unharmed. Madara would tank.

He only beats PS w/ Shinju and/or Bijuu Dama.

You do realize that any PS Made by Madara that isn't DRG SM Madara is casually busted by any attack from Obito's Onmyton right? He can attack because it's technically a pysical attack, but durability is negated because he doesn't have Senjutsu.

 

[Blunt]

I was talking about the actual tree. Using it and Bijuu Dama together means Madara dies a terrible death. Shinju's roots would absorb Madara's PS in a heartbeat, and BD would atomize him. Tbh, he can't even handle all of the Shinju's roots coming at him at once, so he'd lose with that alone. While he's busy taking the Shinju on, Obito releases BD and kills him.

But you have a point with the shockwave.

I agree here, didn't think about the Shinju w/ the absorption ability.

 

[KidGamer65]

Durability of the wall changes with the amount of Gudo used in the shield, not sure but I think he only used one orb that time. Using all of the orbs allowed him to withstand the Juubi's BD.



You do realize that any PS Made by Madara that isn't DRG SM Madara is casually busted by any attack from Obito's Onmyton right? He can attack because it's technically a pysical attack, but durability is negated because he doesn't have Senjutsu.

He used all of the orbs for that instance and it still got a hole blown in it. He negated the Juubi's Bijuu Dama.

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Well yeah, if we are arguing an Edo/EMS Madara PS vs. Juubito Onymoton obliterates. But if Madara has the ability to get around that, then Obito can't overpower it w/o Shinju and BD and that's me and Blunt's whole point.

 

[Kagustuchi]

He used all of the orbs for that instance and it still got a hole blown in it. He negated the Juubi's Bijuu Dama.

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Well we know he used four, he still didn't use the one for the staff and the last one isn't in frame. Though this is all after continuous battling too, after his shields had already received loads of attacks.

I think Obito's attacks were Senjutsu infused now. Mainly because he did get onmyoton, which is refered to as the Rikudo's Senjutsu. The Juubi's chakra is also the equivalent of Hagromo's (although its potency is reduced drastically here), so it should be Senjutsu. Also, negating attacks without Senjutsu when you yourself don't have it doesn't make as much sense as if you did.

Well yeah, if we are arguing an Edo/EMS Madara PS vs. Juubito Onymoton obliterates. But if Madara has the ability to get around that, then Obito can't overpower it w/o Shinju and BD and that's me and Blunt's whole point.

Meh, I don't like those types of conditions. It equates to a BM Naruto w/BD restricted vs EMS Sasuke type of thread.

 

[TRE MERCER]

It's very possible that Susanoo can be bypassed by Juubito physical strength i mean he did neg the Hotei gates which were strong enough to restrict the Juubi.

Madara wins even though i fail to see how he puts down v1 Juubito for good.​

 

[Beans2]

Madara takes control of him with the seal on his heart and makes him his bitch

 

[KidGamer65]

Well we know he used four, he still didn't use the one for the staff and the last one isn't in frame. Though this is all after continuous battling too, after his shields had already received loads of attacks.

I think Obito's attacks were Senjutsu infused now. Mainly because he did get onmyoton, which is refered to as the Rikudo's Senjutsu. The Juubi's chakra is also the equivalent of Hagromo's (although its potency is reduced drastically here), so it should be Senjutsu. Also, negating attacks without Senjutsu when you yourself don't have it doesn't make as much sense as if you did.



Meh, I don't like those types of conditions. It equates to a BM Naruto w/BD restricted vs EMS Sasuke type of thread.

His shields took no damage from those attacks, so it wouldn't pile onto other attacks that are actually capable of breaking through his shield.

Ok, he had 8 around the time he fought Naruto and Sasuke head on, so we'll say he used 8 to tank the Juubi's Bijuu Dama with zero damage. He used 4 visible ones to block Naruto and Sasuke's attack and still took damage. All his Gudo Dama are exactly the same. Unless the other 4 balls can provide a jump in defensive power that'd allow him to go from getting a hole blown in 4 from Naruto's BD and Sasuke's arrow, to tanking Quad Juubi BD w/ all 8 with zero damage, there's no way that his Bijuu Dama had Senjutsu in it that instance. Otherwise we would be saying that BSM standard BD is near Quad Juubi Dama's level.

Agreed.

 

[TheSages456]

Obito cant do anything to PS. He loses.

 

[KidGamer65]

It's very possible that Susanoo can be bypassed by Juubito physical strength i mean he did neg the Hotei gates which were strong enough to restrict the Juubi.

Madara wins even though i fail to see how he puts down v1 Juubito for good.​

........Juubito's drop slam is his strongest physical attack and it capped out on destroying weaker Avatars while leaving the user unharmed. Madara takes all of Obito's physical attacks with ease.

 

[HiddenSound]

So Obito's primary weapon is restricted? lol
Anyway, correct me if I'm wrong, but only Senjutsu and its variations can provide the means to harm a Juubi Jin. Senjutsu, which Madara doesn't have at the time...

Madara takes control of him with the seal on his heart and makes him his bitch

The seal on his heart that was already removed? :l
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