6th Gate Gai vs V1 Ay

[LuckyMan]

Morning Peacock is doing literally nothing to Ay.

Ay tanked Heavenly Transfer with zero damage in base, like his father could. If Morning Peacock is used from a distance like he did to Kisame in their final fight, its just fire balls made from friction coming Ay's way, he evades or outright tanks them because that heat as nothing on the heat the friction of HT puts on the user from light speed movement.

If he uses it up close on Ay like he did to Kisame in their second fight then he tanks them with Raiton Armor with little difficulty, grabs him, and Liger Bomb. Game over.

 

[Unorthodox]

Didnt a fodder from the early shippuden days tank Morning peacock with no burns or any notable damage

 

[LuckyMan]

Didnt a fodder from the early shippuden days tank Morning peacock with no burns or any notable damage

That fodder had Kisames body when Gai used it on him so I think Kisame would have canonically died if it was the real him but Kisame is far less durable than Ay, so Ay tanks it nonetheless.

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

Not sure how Ay is tanking multiple close range Asakujaku without sustaining massive damage each time. Given Gai's mastery of the gates he can more or less spam 6G MP all day long if he chooses to.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Not sure how Ay is tanking multiple close range Asakujaku without sustaining massive damage each time. Given Gai's mastery of the gates he can more or less spam 6G MP all day long if he chooses to.

Because somehow Ay withstanding Heavenly Transfer with no damage is a miraculous feat, when all Tsunade sustained was minor cuts throughout her body. So at best, Ay is only a little more durable then Tsunade... Which doesn't say a whole lot, when Morning Peacock one shotted Kisame - a man whole took a weakened Hirudora and then a direct punch from 7G Gai without serious injury.

 

[KidGamer65]

-Tanking a piercing attack doesn't mean you can tank a stronger and wider attack (you)

-Being hurt by a piercing attack doesn't mean you can be hurt by a non piercing attack (me)

Both arguments are the same. That raikiri pierced Ay doesn't mean Aka kusaku can hurt him. It doesn't mean he can tank it either.


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If you're gonna quote, just answer this (tough you said you already answered, but you didn't)

1 single punch of evening elephant >>>>>>>> Zetsu's chakra concentrated hand

Asa kujaku >>>>>>>> Chidori

Madara tanked 1 punch of EE with little damage. His horn broke. While zetsu's weaker attack made a lot more damage to his body.

Now all you have to do is swich zetsu with sasuke's chidori and EE with asa kujaku. Ay being hurt by chidori doesn't mean he can't tank an attack which is a hell lot stronger.

Why? Because zetsu's attack was made for piercing. It didn't have raw power, aoe, reach, speed... but it had concentrated power. The same for sasuke's chidori, that's why he could pierce the raikage.

I answered your post.

2. Madara didn't tank Evening Elephant. It not piercing or mangling his body doesn't mean that he tanked it when he was shown coughing blood up after Gai hit him.

Madara didn't tank Evening Elephant. Did Zetsu puncture him easily? Yes. The first time he blocked with the Gudo Dama, the other times he took direct hits and was shown coughing up blood. It not putting a hole in him doesn't mean that he tanked it when it would cause more internal damage than external. Not to mention Madara has regeneration, which works inside and out, and his tanking feats have shown to be inconsistent as hell.

Ay failed to take Chidori completely. Not evidence he can take multiple rounds of Hirudora with little damage.

And no LuckyMan, Asa Kujaku is not just flame. It is Gai rapidly hitting the opponent. So it is flame and physical.

 

[LuckyMan]

And no LuckyMan, Asa Kujaku is not just flame. It is Gai rapidly hitting the opponent. So it is flame and physical.

I said when he uses it from a distance its only flames. He used it from afar to take out most of Kisames sharks and he used it the same way on the Obitos Jinchuriki Paths.

The flurry of punches still aren't taking Ay out if he uses it up close. Ay is already far more durable than Kisame without Raiton Armor which gives him high probability of surving it. Give him Raiton Armor and should be no doubt he tanks it.

Also, Ay isn't Kisame. He can certainly react to MP and counter attack.

 

[KidGamer65]

I said when he uses it from a distance its only flames. He used it from afar to take out most of Kisames sharks and he used it the same way on the Obitos Jinchuriki Paths.

The flurry of punches still aren't taking Ay out if he uses it up close. Ay is already far more durable than Kisame without Raiton Armor which gives him high probability of surving it. Give him Raiton Armor and should be no doubt he tanks it.

Also, Ay isn't Kisame. He can certainly react to MP and counter attack.

Oh, then yeah. You are right, but lol @ the bold. Kisame survived a weakened Hirudora and a punch from Gai and was still in a good enough condition to break Yamato's Mokuton bindings despite his chakra also being suppressed. As FT has already stated, how is he more durable than someone like that when he's only a little more durable than Base Tsunade since she survived that same transfer jutsu with minor cuts? Makes no sense.

Counter attack with what? Sure, he'll react, but if he tries to punch, he'll easily get overpowered by Asa Kujaku. Not to mention his strike speed is far far far inferior to Gai's so Gai might just hit him first anyway.

 

[EZQ]

I answered your post.



Madara didn't tank Evening Elephant. Did Zetsu puncture him easily? Yes. The first time he blocked with the Gudo Dama, the other times he took direct hits and was shown coughing up blood. It not putting a hole in him doesn't mean that he tanked it when it would cause more internal damage than external. Not to mention Madara has regeneration, which works inside and out, and his tanking feats have shown to be inconsistent as hell.

Ay failed to take Chidori completely. Not evidence he can take multiple rounds of Hirudora with little damage.

And no LuckyMan, Asa Kujaku is not just flame. It is Gai rapidly hitting the opponent. So it is flame and physical.

I'm not talking about the full EE strike Gai used for the second time. You keep ignoring what i said. The first time Gai used EE, Madara got it directly without using TBB to protect himself (you just made that up) and he just came out with superficial damage.

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The first time Gai used it on Madara he only managed to make 1 of them, and Madara tanked it with superficial damage.
Don't ignore the fact that Zetsu's hand made a lot more damage than Gai's first strike of EE which only made him lose his horn.

All i see in the bold are assumptions. After the first blow Madara did not cough blood, or even showed signals of pain, or anything, so there's no evidence he got injuried from inside, not at all.



Madara tanks 1 full straight punch of EE but gets easely pierced by a hand.

Piercing attack >>>> Force when it comes to piercing. So you using Ay's feat against chidori to make your assumption about Asa kujaku is stupid.

 

[EZQ]

I answered your post.



Madara didn't tank Evening Elephant. Did Zetsu puncture him easily? Yes. The first time he blocked with the Gudo Dama, the other times he took direct hits and was shown coughing up blood. It not putting a hole in him doesn't mean that he tanked it when it would cause more internal damage than external. Not to mention Madara has regeneration, which works inside and out, and his tanking feats have shown to be inconsistent as hell.

Ay failed to take Chidori completely. Not evidence he can take multiple rounds of Hirudora with little damage.

And no LuckyMan, Asa Kujaku is not just flame. It is Gai rapidly hitting the opponent. So it is flame and physical.

I'm not talking about the full EE strike Gai used for the second time. You keep ignoring what i said. The first time Gai used EE, Madara got it directly without using TBB to protect himself (you just made that up) and he just came out with superficial damage.

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The first time Gai used it on Madara he only managed to make 1 of them, and Madara tanked it with superficial damage.
Don't ignore the fact that Zetsu's hand made a lot more damage than Gai's first strike of EE which only made him lose his horn.

All i see in the bold are assumptions. After the first blow Madara did not cough blood, or even showed signals of pain, or anything, so there's no evidence he got injuried from inside, not at all.



Madara tanks 1 full straight punch of EE but gets easely pierced by a hand.

Piercing attack >>>> Force when it comes to piercing. So you using Ay's feat against chidori to make your assumption about Asa kujaku is stupid.

 

[ToshiZO]

1. Addressed to.
2. He survived Hirudora. That makes him durable. More durable than Ay? No.

Not sure how many times you guys will repeat "piercing attacks are better for breaching" when it doesn't mean that he can tank any other type of attack just because it doesn't pierce.

Wah? Thats not how it works. He got cut by Asuma's attack just like any one else would. Hirudora's only feat on a living body is Kisame.

Tanking Hirudora doesn't negate him getting easily cut by Asuma's hien. The limit of his durability was already shown against Asuma it simply means Hirudora isn't the type of attack you want it to be.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Gai mid diff. Ay is probably faster, but not so fast that Gai can't react. Gai would dominate in close quarters and Asa Kujaku would probably one shot.

Asa Kujaku is one shotting Ei?​

 

[EZQ]

Asa Kujaku is one shotting Ei?​

No way. He's making this statement just because Ay couldn't tank chidori properly, and Asa Kujaku > Chidori. But read the arguments of the thread and you'll realize he's not using a good logic.