6th Gate Gai vs V1 Ay

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Distance: 25 meters
Restrictions: 7th and 8th Gate, V2 mode

 

[KidGamer65]

Gai mid diff. Ay is probably faster, but not so fast that Gai can't react. Gai would dominate in close quarters and Asa Kujaku would probably one shot.

 

[Lariatoo]

Does Ay have any good tanking feats?

 

[EZQ]

Does Ay have any good tanking feats?

He tanked a straight raikiri to the chest.

I'd give it to Ay high diff. In V1 he was able to completely destroy Juugo's v2 body, which is more durable than Gai's. On the 6th gate Gai should be able to react to ay's blows, but he wouldn't dodge them completely. If Ay manages to grab him, ligher bomb ends it easely, and if Ay uses his arm to defend himself he gets broken as it happened to Juugo.

I doubt Akasukujaku ends this, lightining armour should be enough to take the most part of it.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Depends if Gai's output of damage can overcome V1 Ay's durability, because I don't see Ay contesting Gai in CQC at all. His eyes are specially trained in tracing extremely fast movement, and are comparable to the sharingan in that regard. V1 Ay's speed isn't fast enough to escape his sight. Second, his attacking speed and taijutsu skill aren't contesting Gai's at all, so I still Gai dominating in CQC. Morning Peacock was strong enough to one-shot someone as durable as Kisame, but then again Ay was eating Bee's lariats like they were nothing... Probably Ay extremely high-diff due to his durability and stamina.

 

[DrProof]

They're on the same level.

 

[Lariatoo]

He tanked a straight raikiri to the chest.

I'd give it to Ay high diff. In V1 he was able to completely destroy Juugo's v2 body, which is more durable than Gai's. On the 6th gate Gai should be able to react to ay's blows, but he wouldn't dodge them completely. If Ay manages to grab him, ligher bomb ends it easely, and if Ay uses his arm to defend himself he gets broken as it happened to Juugo.

I doubt Akasukujaku ends this, lightining armour should be enough to take the most part of it.

Oh yeah... Forgot about that...
Plus Juugo's laser beans...
Gotta give it to Ay mid high diff then...

 

[LuckyMan]

Ay beats the fuck out of him. Mid difficulty.

When Gai is grabbed, its game over.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Ay wins. Lol at gai having eyes comparable to the sharingan.

Ay tanked Mabuis teleportation in base, without receiving damage or needing to be healed. A chidori blade repelled off his v1. He beats gai.

 

[KidGamer65]

Oh yeah... Forgot about that...
Plus Juugo's laser beans...
Gotta give it to Ay mid high diff then...

He dodged those. He didn't tank them, nor can he tank them considering his feats against Chidori. "Tanking" Chidori is his best feat, and even then Chidori breached his armor and wounded him. Unless people think that Chidori>>The Asa Kujaku that one shotted Shoten Kisame (who should be as durable as the original I believe) or even worse, the Asa Kujaku that Gai used on the real Kisame, then it's pretty clear that he wins this.

 

[EZQ]

He dodged those. He didn't tank them, nor can he tank them considering his feats against Chidori. "Tanking" Chidori is his best feat, and even then Chidori breached his armor and wounded him. Unless people think that Chidori>>The Asa Kujaku that one shotted Shoten Kisame (who should be as durable as the original I believe) or even worse, the Asa Kujaku that Gai used on the real Kisame, then it's pretty clear that he wins this.

Piercing power >>>> Explosive power when it comes to hurt a hard body.

Madara tanked EE but zetsu pierced him. Sasuke also sliced him with raikiri sword.

Kaguya tanked 9 Bijuu FRS but Kakashi's raikiri pierced her.

The bold is an assumption, 30% Kisame should be one third as durable as Kisame, or, as durable as the body used for the sacrifice of that jutsu.

Edit: The asa kujaku Gai used on the real Kisame was used against the 1000 feeding sharks made of water, not against kisame. It was the same he used the first time, maybe bigger, but it didn't get any more powerful.

 

[KidGamer65]

Piercing power >>>> Explosive power when it comes to hurt a hard body.

Madara tanked EE but zetsu pierced him. Sasuke also sliced him with raikiri sword.

Kaguya tanked 9 Bijuu FRS but Kakashi's raikiri pierced her.

The bold is an assumption, 30% Kisame should be one third as durable as Kisame, or, as durable as the body used for the sacrifice of that jutsu.

Failing to completely tank Chidori isn't evidence he can take something far stronger. It not being a piercing attack isn't evidence that he can tank it either.

1. Not sure how Kaguya "tanked" those attacks, but it probably had something to do with chakra absorption since the Bijuu Chakra from Naruto's attack messed with her internal chakra, which would only be possible if his chakra made contact with her internal chakra somehow. Then there's the fact that we can apply a bit of common sense here.

-Difference between Bijuu FRS and Raikiri is massive.
-The difference between Rikudo Sasuke's Chidori and Bijuu FRS should be a bit smaller or the same.
-Naruto tanked Chidori, does that mean he can tank Bijuu FRS because "it's explosion"? I hope you don't say yes.

2. Madara didn't tank Evening Elephant. It not piercing or mangling his body doesn't mean that he tanked it when he was shown coughing blood up after Gai hit him.

Wrong. 30% Chakra. Not a clone of Kisame w/ all his stats dropped to 30%. Implying anything else without evidence is an assumption.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

The bold is an assumption, 30% Kisame should be one third as durable as Kisame, or, as durable as the body used for the sacrifice of that jutsu.

It produced the same bodies as the original [

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[EZQ]

Failing to completely tank Chidori isn't evidence he can take something far stronger. It not being a piercing attack isn't evidence that he can tank it either.

1. Not sure how Kaguya "tanked" those attacks, but it probably had something to do with chakra absorption since the Bijuu Chakra from Naruto's attack messed with her internal chakra, which would only be possible if his chakra made contact with her internal chakra somehow. Then there's the fact that we can apply a bit of common sense here.

-Difference between Bijuu FRS and Raikiri is massive.
-The difference between Rikudo Sasuke's Chidori and Bijuu FRS should be a bit smaller or the same.
-Naruto tanked Chidori, does that mean he can tank Bijuu FRS because "it's explosion"? I hope you don't say yes.

2. Madara didn't tank Evening Elephant. It not piercing or mangling his body doesn't mean that he tanked it when he was shown coughing blood up after Gai hit him.

Wrong. 30% Chakra. Not a clone of Kisame w/ all his stats dropped to 30%. Implying anything else without evidence is an assumption.

1- Agreed on the kaguya thing. Probably absorbed the attack.

2- One punch of EE > Zetsu's (probably chakra concentrated) hand. Madara was only hurt after getting a whole serie of 5 EE punches, the first one was tanked with only external damage (his horn broke), while zetsu destroyed his chest.

Can weaker attack pierce some things that wider=bigger=more powerful atacks cant? Yes, if they're made for piercing.

Aka kujsaku has better range, is more destructive and is wider than chidori, but that doesn't mean it would hurt Ay, since Ay was pierced by an attack that is made for piercing, nothing more. Chidori lacks a lot of things Aka kujusaku has, but it gains the abilitie to actually pierce the opponent if it gets him.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Third raikage tanks rasenshuriken. Gets defeated by a piercing tech :|

 

[ToshiZO]

He dodged those. He didn't tank them, nor can he tank them considering his feats against Chidori. "Tanking" Chidori is his best feat, and even then Chidori breached his armor and wounded him. Unless people think that Chidori>>The Asa Kujaku that one shotted Shoten Kisame (who should be as durable as the original I believe) or even worse, the Asa Kujaku that Gai used on the real Kisame, then it's pretty clear that he wins this.

1.Chidori is a piercing attack. (huge amount of chakra focused on one point)
2.Kisame isn't even that durable

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managed to cut him. Piercing attacks are better for breaching anyways.

 

[KidGamer65]

1- Agreed on the kaguya thing. Probably absorbed the attack.

2- One punch of EE > Zetsu's (probably chakra concentrated) hand. Madara was only hurt after getting a whole serie of 5 EE punches, the first one was tanked with only external damage (his horn broke), while zetsu destroyed his chest.

Can weaker attack pierce some things that wider=bigger=more powerful atacks cant? Yes, if they're made for piercing.

Aka kujsaku has better range, is more destructive and is wider than chidori, but that doesn't mean it would hurt Ay, since Ay was pierced by an attack that is made for piercing, nothing more. Chidori lacks a lot of things Aka kujusaku has, but it gains the abilitie to actually pierce the opponent if it gets him.

2. Already know this and I've already replied to it. So why repeat it?

Yes, weaker attacks can pierce things that a stronger attack can't damage as long as the weaker tech affects a smaller unit per area than the explosive or larger attack.

Asa Kujaku is far more powerful than Chidori, which already pierced through his armor. What reason is there to believe he'd tank a single round of Asa Kujaku let alone 2 rounds when his best feat is tanking a massively inferior technique, despite the affected surface area being much smaller? Little.

Third raikage tanks rasenshuriken. Gets defeated by a piercing tech :|

Your point? A piercing tech still has to have sufficient energy to penetrate the target, just nowhere near as much as the energy required for an explosion to do damage.

1.Chidori is a piercing attack. (huge amount of chakra focused on one point)
2.Kisame isn't even that durable

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managed to cut him. Piercing attacks are better for breaching anyways.

1. Addressed to.
2. He survived Hirudora. That makes him durable. More durable than Ay? No.

Not sure how many times you guys will repeat "piercing attacks are better for breaching" when it doesn't mean that he can tank any other type of attack just because it doesn't pierce.

 

[Selan]

Gai wins easily, come on.

 

[Haizaki]

Depends on if Asakujaku is capable of killing the man who survived the Heavenly transfer technique with no damage. I'll say Ay because I believe he's definitely above Kisame in durability....His durability is a big factor.

 

[EZQ]

2. Already know this and I've already replied to it. So why repeat it?

Yes, weaker attacks can pierce things that a stronger attack can't damage as long as the weaker tech affects a smaller unit per area than the explosive or larger attack.

Asa Kujaku is far more powerful than Chidori, which already pierced through his armor. What reason is there to believe he'd tank a single round of Asa Kujaku let alone 2 rounds when his best feat is tanking a massively inferior technique, despite the affected surface area being much smaller? Little.



Your point? A piercing tech still has to have sufficient energy to penetrate the target, just nowhere near as much as the energy required for an explosion to do damage.



1. Addressed to.
2. He survived Hirudora. That makes him durable. More durable than Ay? No.

Not sure how many times you guys will repeat "piercing attacks are better for breaching" when it doesn't mean that he can tank any other type of attack just because it doesn't pierce.

-Tanking a piercing attack doesn't mean you can tank a stronger and wider attack (you)

-Being hurt by a piercing attack doesn't mean you can be hurt by a non piercing attack (me)

Both arguments are the same. That raikiri pierced Ay doesn't mean Aka kusaku can hurt him. It doesn't mean he can tank it either.


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If you're gonna quote, just answer this (tough you said you already answered, but you didn't)

1 single punch of evening elephant >>>>>>>> Zetsu's chakra concentrated hand

Asa kujaku >>>>>>>> Chidori

Madara tanked 1 punch of EE with little damage. His horn broke. While zetsu's weaker attack made a lot more damage to his body.

Now all you have to do is swich zetsu with sasuke's chidori and EE with asa kujaku. Ay being hurt by chidori doesn't mean he can't tank an attack which is a hell lot stronger.

Why? Because zetsu's attack was made for piercing. It didn't have raw power, aoe, reach, speed... but it had concentrated power. The same for sasuke's chidori, that's why he could pierce the raikage.