[Discussion] Marineford power levels

[Uzumaki Macho]

who is the "another man" lol??

You said you think Shanks was stronger than Old WB, so I was referring to Shanks.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

You need lungs to breathe air.

Fish don't have lungs they only need gills.

 

[A v i]

That's why Ace died to the attack Jinbei lived through.

Two stabs killed Roger where as it took a lot of them to take down Whitebeard so I guess Whitebeard is far stronger than Roger? Ace got his internal organs burned by Akainu which was specifically stated in manga. I don't remember something like that being stated about Jimbe and I am positive about even Jimbe being unable to live if his organs were totally fried.

 

[loj]

You said you think Shanks was stronger than Old WB, so I was referring to Shanks.

For some reason what I'v seen...

Shanks>WB for me.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

For some reason what I'v seen...

Shanks>WB for me.

WB is the World's Strongest Man, that automatically puts him above Shanks.

 

[Ridoku X]

What was so amazing about Crocodile during the war? He survived one hit from Jozu, but Pre-TS Luffy was able to survive a hit from Sengoku, who is stronger than Jozu. He blocked Mihawk, so could Daz Bones. He landed a surprise hit on Akainu, and some fodder at Sabaody was able to shoot Kizaru. Doflamingo recruited Baby 5, Buffalo, and Dellinger when they were little kids/infants, so saying that Doflamingo asking Croc to join means that Croc is strong isn't true.

Well to me his feats were far too great for him to be given such a low power level. Plus I've told you, I believe that Crocodile is Oda's mess because he was introduced way to early. And Doflamingo wasn't a well established pirate then so he was recruiting for the sake of enlargening the crew. Why didn't he accept Bellamy then ?


Edit: Oh and you take the Whitebeard being the WSM way to literally. He was old and sick, can't expect him to hold title well in that condition.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Don't know why anyone would disagree with the author himself calling Old n' sick WB the Worlds Strongest Man.....many times at that....

Why did half of people put higher numbers for Croco than Luffy?

Luffy would own in...again.

They fought 3 times.
1st fight-Croc won duh. No need to explain
2nd fight- Even with water, Croc made short work of Luffy
3rd fight- Croc didn't use his sand powers. He fought Luffy mano e mano and relied on poison.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Well to me his feats were far too great for him to be given such a low power level. And Doflamingo wasn't a well established pirate then so he was recruiting for the sake of enlargening the crew. Why didn't he accept Bellamy then ?

What were these great feats?

 

[loj]

WB is the World's Strongest Man, that automatically puts him above Shanks.

Fair enough.

Don't know why anyone would disagree with the author himself calling Old n' sick WB the Worlds Strongest Man.....many times at that....



They fought 3 times.
1st fight-Croc won duh. No need to explain
2nd fight- Even with water, Croc made short work of Luffy
3rd fight- Croc didn't use his sand powers. He fought Luffy mano e mano and relied on poison.

But Luffy still won.Luffy didn't have gear 2 and 3 then.U are telling me Croco would win again? Well u are underrestimating Luffy here.

 

[Ridoku X]

What were these great feats?

Saving Ace
Attacking Mihawk
Attacking Akainu
Clashed with Doflamingo

Sure they might not sound that amazing but remember he came out mostly unscathed. Do you think that someone weaker than Luffy would do all these things and even be alive lol ? You can't compare some random fodder that shot Kizaru with simple bullets to Croc attacking an enraged Akainu who was willing to even kill someone like Coby, a marine.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Fish don't have lungs they only need gills.

Jinbei has both.

The fact that you think Fishmen are ordinary fish like irl is just...what's wrong with you?

Two stabs killed Roger where as it took a lot of them to take down Whitebeard so I guess Whitebeard is far stronger than Roger? Ace got his internal organs burned by Akainu which was specifically stated in manga. I don't remember something like that being stated about Jimbe and I am positive about even Jimbe being unable to live if his organs were totally fried.

It's possible. Whitebeard was regarded as the most powerful man of the world. Most of those probably missed his vitals, and if they did connect, he kept fighting till his death.

Roger had an illness, which could have probably weakened him greatly. We also don't know how he was executed. If he was stabbed, they could have skewered vital organs and just let the time pass it took him to die. He didn't have to die immediately. What if he was beheaded like Ace was going to be, or hanged?

Jinbei and Ace were struck in relatively the same spot. Jinbei didn't suffer his organs being burned up because he was strong enough to withstand it to that degree, Ace wasn't.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Jinbei has both.

The fact that you think Fishmen are ordinary fish like irl is just...what's wrong with you?

It's possible. Whitebeard was regarded as the most powerful man of the world. Most of those probably missed his vitals, and if they did connect, he kept fighting till his death.

Roger had an illness, which could have probably weakened him greatly. We also don't know how he was executed. If he was stabbed, they could have skewered vital organs and just let the time pass it took him to die. He didn't have to die immediately. What if he was beheaded like Ace was going to be, or hanged?

Jinbei and Ace were struck in relatively the same spot. Jinbei didn't suffer his organs being burned up because he was strong enough to withstand it to that degree, Ace wasn't.

How do you know if Jinbe's respitory system is more similar to a fish's or a human's? I don't rememberi t being stated anywhere that he had lungs as well. Just because I think he has a respitory system similar to that of fishes doesn't mean that I think that fishman are the exact same as fish.

 

[CrimsonReaper]

You said you think Shanks was stronger than Old WB, so I was referring to Shanks.

yes he is stronger he made the war stop by just clashing with akainu people where shocked and scared when he entered, his powers are still unkown and for all we know wb couldn't eve dodge an attack from a fodder pirate and he is sick, prime wb is a different story.

 

[jiraiya lives]

Whitebeard=100
Shanks= 98.5
Benn Bekcman= 94
Akainu= 97
Aokiji= 96.5
Kizaru= 96
Sengoku= 96.5
Garp= 98
Marco= 90
Jozu= 85
Vista= 83
Mihawk= 98.5
Doflamingo= 86
Jinbe= 80
Kuma= 85 (90+ with brain)
Ivankov= 77
Boa Hancock= (the way her powers work makes it too confusing for me to rank her)
Moriah= 60
Crocodile= 65
Blackbeard= 87
Luffy= 65
Smoker= ehhh
Ace= ehhh

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Saving Ace
Attacking Mihawk
Attacking Akainu
Clashed with Doflamingo

Sure they might not sound that amazing but remember he came out mostly unscathed. Do you think that someone weaker than Luffy would do all these things and even be alive lol ? You can't compare some random fodder that shot Kizaru with simple bullets to Croc attacking an enraged Akainu who was willing to even kill someone like Coby, a marine.

Luffy also saved Ace. All he did against Mihawk was attack him and Mihawk blocked him, so amazing. He landed a surprise hit on Akainu, and some WB Pirate fodders did the same thing.All he did against Doflamingo was attack him with his hook and Doflamingo casually blocked it with his foot.

 

[loj]

How do you know if Jinbe's respitory system is more similar to a fish's or a human's? I don't rememberi t being stated anywhere that he had lungs as well. Just because I think he has a respitory system similar to that of fishes doesn't mean that I think that fishman are the exact same as fish.

Im not good with animals and I might end up as an idiot saying this but..

How could u breathe on land without lungs?

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Im not good with animals and I might end up as an idiot saying this but..

How could u breathe on land without lungs?

Oh yea I guess he does have both then. My bad I overlooked that.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Fair enough.



But Luffy still won.Luffy didn't have gear 2 and 3 then.U are telling me Croco would win again? Well u are underrestimating Luffy here.

Luffy won the 3rd fight when Croc wasn't using his sand powers. In the 2nd fight, Luffy using water caught Croc off guard and we quickly "killed" Luffy when he realized what was happening. It was pretty one sided. Croc was watching Luffy use G2 in Impel Dwon and made no comment or showed any concern regarding his speed. Croc>PTS Luffy. Croc<TS Luffy without G4.

 

[Punk Hazard]

How do you know if Jinbe's respitory system is more similar to a fish's or a human's? I don't rememberi t being stated anywhere that he had lungs as well. Just because I think he has a respitory system similar to that of fishes doesn't mean that I think that fishman are the exact same as fish.

HJSKSMMKD DO YOU THINK HUMANS ARE THE ONLY CREATURES WITH LUNGS???

In order to breathe air, you need lungs, unless you think every Fishman just stores oxygen.

 

[loj]

Luffy won the 3rd fight when Croc wasn't using his sand powers. In the 2nd fight, Luffy using water caught Croc off guard and we quickly "killed" Luffy when he realized what was happening. It was pretty one sided. Croc was watching Luffy use G2 in Impel Dwon and made no comment or showed any concern regarding his speed. Croc>PTS Luffy. Croc<TS Luffy without G4.

But that's without gears bruh.

Still I do think PTS Luffy would win against Croco.

But whatever.