MS Obito vs MS Kakashi

[KidGamer65]

I see no reason to believe obito's giant katon is faster than his reg katon.

Good, because it's larger, and that's the point. How in the world does dodging something smaller=dodging the same thing but much larger? By side stepping no less?

 

[KidGamer65]

No feats of obito being able to do this while moving. If he stays still to perform this jutsu he leaves a huge opening considering Kakashi's striking speed.

Has nothing to do with him moving or not, why would he even have to move? :lol. Not to mention unless you don't think Obito can use Kamui while moving, you don't have a point here, and unless Kakashi's striking speed somehow became faster than Obito's Kamui, it's also irrelevant here.

Obito doesn't know where Kakashi is coming from, since he can't see trough the floor. And Kakashi could just send a clone upstairs like he did to Itachi, clone feinting Obito like a clown and while he's distracted he respawns from another location and atacks.
Not to mention, he can counter the barrier using kamui on himself to scape.

Agreed with the final statement, the rest is wrong.

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Sharingan sees chakra through solid rock. Doton changes the rock around him to sand by channeling chakra through it. Obito would easily see him coming. If he sends a clone, then Obito obliterates it and then if Kakashi comes for the counter attack once the clone poofs, Obito uses Kamui and warps behind him to attack.

He lacks the feats. He know nothing about his abilitiy without kamui. And the only time it was shown, he lost.

We know plenty. The only time he was shown fighting without Kamui is when he was tired and couldn't use anything Kamui related at all. Not to mention he has access to everything bar intangibility, and in reality that is still available as long as he doesn't go intangible at the same spot Kakashi warped his clone.

Kakashi gets obliterated. Stop using Obito w/o any kind of Kamui and tired as an argument.

 

[EZQ]

Has nothing to do with him moving or not, why would he even have to move? :lol. Not to mention unless you don't think Obito can use Kamui while moving, you don't have a point here, and unless Kakashi's striking speed somehow became faster than Obito's Kamui, it's also irrelevant here.




Agreed with the final statement, the rest is wrong.

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Sharingan sees chakra through solid rock. Doton changes the rock around him to sand by channeling chakra through it. Obito would easily see him coming. If he sends a clone, then Obito obliterates it and then if Kakashi comes for the counter attack once the clone poofs, Obito uses Kamui and warps behind him to attack.



We know plenty. The only time he was shown fighting without Kamui is when he was tired and couldn't use anything Kamui related at all. Not to mention he has access to everything bar intangibility, and in reality that is still available as long as he doesn't go intangible at the same spot Kakashi warped his clone.

Kakashi gets obliterated. Stop using Obito w/o any kind of Kamui and tired as an argument.

1- You said he engages him on CQC and then performs it. If he stays still to perform it being close to Kakashi (since he would be the one that aproached to him to close the distance to engage CQC) he dies. If he does it from far away kakashi blocks it.

Obito has shown to be able to throw projectiles out of his eye just being still, never moving. He being able to use different types of kamui usage while moving doesn't mean he can use that particular one in movement.

2- Layers of ground >>> A stick of solid rock. If sharingan could see trough this jutsu, itachi wouldn't have gotten feinted. If kakashi goes deep enough Obito wont be able to see him.

Why would Kakashi wait until the clone gets obliverated? He can just use it to distract Obito so he doesn't notice where the real one is coming from.

If Obito uses kamui and warps behind him to atack, the clone on the other dimension would be just waiting for him and stab him. Kakashi knows where Obito is from the pocket dimension, he would just be waiting to stab him.

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3- @bold: The clone knows where Obito is, so he'd just be following him from the other dimension. Obito can't use intangibility or he dies.
And without kamui he has nothing. You say he has acces to everything bar kamui. But, what's that everything? Fire which is countered, projectiles which are countered, and shinobi skills which have not shown to be good without kamui.

And i don't know why i didn't mention this before but, why would Kakashi let Obito know about he has a clone on the pocket dimension?

We've already seen Kakashi warping human sized object so fast that Obito didn't even notice it, so Kakashi could coordinate an atack with his clone but instead of warping BM Naruto he'd be warping his own clone, Obito wouldn't see it and the fight is won. (This would be really hard to do, but Kakashi could just send the clone to the other dimension while he's underground, so Obito won't see the warping or even Kakashi making the clone).

If Kakashi manages to do this, Obito won't know he should not go ghost mode, and would choose it as the easiest option, and he'd get surprise-stabbed by Kakashi on the other dimension.

EDIT: Oh, and now Kakashi gets obvliverated? lmao. I could understand some high diff argument, but Obito without kamui obliverating kakashi? lmao.

 

[EZQ]

With knowledge on Izanagi Kakashi is the winner.

 

[EZQ]

@Heavenly, would you be so kind to tell me why do you disagree on my points? Or quote them and make a counter.

 

[Unorthodox]

Obito molly wops lol at Kakashi side stepping a juubi size Katon when he needed a cloak to protect him from it

 

[EZQ]

Obito molly wops lol at Kakashi side stepping a juubi size Katon when he needed a cloak to protect him from it

Kakashi has 2 counters for giant katon. He can go underground or kamui himself.

And obito doesn't molly wop. Kakashi has the edge on base skills and intangibility can't be used.

 

[Curse Mark]

Kakashi mid-high diff