Hidan vs Human Path

[Braiyan]

Rasengan took the paths out, a pierce through the heart will do the same

Not sure how this relates to my post considering Hidan doesn't go for the kill off the bat, especially against someone he has no knowledge of. Nevermind the fact that Nagato already knows how his jutsu works and is not likely to allow Hidan to get blood from Human Path, or draw up his blood circle, or get into the circle, before he gets pierced with a chakra rod.

And that's not taking into consideration the vast difference between a SM enhanced Rasengan destroying a Path's insides and chakra receivers (Asura Path) and simply being pierced in the heart.

 

[WreckRolled]

the ritual will not work on human path , without intel human path wins

 

[Zexion~]

Not sure how this relates to my post considering Hidan doesn't go for the kill off the bat, especially against someone he has no knowledge of. Nevermind the fact that Nagato already knows how his jutsu works and is not likely to allow Hidan to get blood from Human Path, or draw up his blood circle, or get into the circle, before he gets pierced with a chakra rod.

And that's not taking into consideration the vast difference between a SM enhanced Rasengan destroying a Path's insides and chakra receivers (Asura Path) and simply being pierced in the heart.

Knowing how it works doesn't change the fact that Hidan > Human path in CQC skills. Not to mention he has the larger weapon making it harder on him to block every strike completely. Don't really know what a chakra rod will do :lol he'd feel a bit of Nagato but I doubt that would slow him down.

He obtains blood and easily performs the ritual, human path really has no way to destroy the circle.

 

[Braiyan]

Knowing how it works doesn't change the fact that Hidan > Human path in CQC skills.

Based on what?

Not to mention he has the larger weapon making it harder on him to block every strike completely.

Yet an injured Kakashi did it with an even smaller kunai.

Don't really know what a chakra rod will do :lol he'd feel a bit of Nagato but I doubt that would slow him down.

That's exactly what it will do, seeing that it indirectly led to Deva Path dodging Kakashi's Raikiri point blank, and made both Jiraiya and Naruto unable to move properly or control their chakra until they were removed.

He obtains blood and easily performs the ritual, human path really has no way to destroy the circle.

How is he going to obtain blood when he failed to do so against Kakashi and Shikamaru, who like Nagato, have knowledge of his weapons/fighting style? How is he going to draw and complete his circle when Human Path is fast enough to pressure him into making this a close quarters fight?

 

[EZQ]

Based on what?

On feats. Hidan's agility and speed by feats are >> this path's in CQC skills.

Yet an injured Kakashi did it with an even smaller kunai.

lml Kakashi is one of the most skilled taijutsu and kunai user on the whole NV. He shits on Pain on that category, so this comparition is stupid.

Kakashi could hold Zabuza's giant ass sword with just a kunai too.

That's exactly what it will do, seeing that it indirectly led to Deva Path dodging Kakashi's Raikiri point blank, and made both Jiraiya and Naruto unable to move properly or control their chakra until they were removed.

Not sure how deva is managing to put this one inside Hidan

How is he going to obtain blood when he failed to do so against Kakashi and Shikamaru, who like Nagato, have knowledge of his weapons/fighting style? How is he going to draw and complete his circle when Human Path is fast enough to pressure him into making this a close quarters fight?

No proof of Nagato knowing about the ritual, but lets suppose he knows, he still can't be compared to Kakashi on this category, and Hidan was very close of killing Kakashi, this pain is lost here.

Shikamaru is really agile too, he dodged a point blank strike from Kakuzu that i'll ask zexion to post later.

Hidan is too much for Human path on CQC, and with Hidan's feats against Kakashi, we can argue that Hidan would have no problem at all against this folk.

 

[Braiyan]

On feats. Hidan's agility and speed by feats are >> this path's in CQC skills.

What feats make Hidan physically superior to Human Path?

lml Kakashi is one of the most skilled taijutsu and kunai user on the whole NV. He shits on Pain on that category, so this comparition is stupid.

Yet he was unable to overwhelm Deva Path with this supposed massive advantage in taijutsu and resorted to using jutsu first.

Not sure how deva is managing to put this one inside Hidan

I described one way how in my first post in this thread.

No proof of Nagato knowing about the ritual,

Why would he not know? He's the leader of Akatsuki, often sends Zetsu out to record battles (and dispose of fallen members), and would have had a say in Hidan even joining the group. Him not knowing the abilities of his own members is silly.

but lets suppose he knows, he still can't be compared to Kakashi on this category, and Hidan was very close of killing Kakashi, this pain is lost here.

Hidan and Kakashi clashed in close quarters once right when Hidan tried to get Kakashi from behind after he took a hit from Kakuzu's Fuuton. Kakashi showed no hint of almost dying during that clash. In fact, Hidan complimented him on being able to hold his own so well.

Shikamaru is really agile too, he dodged a point blank strike from Kakuzu that i'll ask zexion to post later.

If Shikamaru can react to Hidan, so can Human Path.

Hidan is too much for Human path on CQC, and with Hidan's feats against Kakashi, we can argue that Hidan would have no problem at all against this folk.

Hidan failed to draw blood from Kakashi even when he was injured, tired from using 4 Raikiris, and attacked from behind. I don't see how that feat makes him so superior to Human Path when even Shikamaru could dodge his strikes and pressure him.

 

[FemmeFatale]

Hidan should win, but then again, this isn't really killing his body, it's taking his soul

 

[EZQ]

What feats make Hidan physically superior to Human Path?

His feats displayed against Kakashi, who is physically superior to pain.

Yet he was unable to overwhelm Deva Path with this supposed massive advantage in taijutsu and resorted to using jutsu first.

Lmao, what is this? Kakashi used jutsu because he wanted to kill pain. Why would he choose Taijutsu against Pain? If Pain went to him and said: Hey, atack me with just taijutsu, don't worry, i won't be using ninjutsu to send your ass flying, then this would make sense.

Kakashi showed to be faster than pain and couldn't destroy him with raikiri due only to shared vision. He chose to use jutsu because Taijutsu wouldn't have worked, since Pain wouldn't be using just taijutsu.

Terrible logic.

I described one way how in my first post in this thread.

Would you write it again please?

Why would he not know? He's the leader of Akatsuki, often sends Zetsu out to record battles (and dispose of fallen members), and would have had a say in Hidan even joining the group. Him not knowing the abilities of his own members is silly.

I still don't see the proof. He could have barely known that Hidan is an immortal ninja that was powerful. They needed an immortal partner so Kakuzu wouldn't kill him, since Kakuzu was killing all his partners.

Even with knowledge displayed, it still doesn't make a lot of difference. Human path fights at short range, meaning he has no way to avoid getting close to Hidan, even with knowledge, this doesn't change.

Hidan and Kakashi clashed in close quarters once right when Hidan tried to get Kakashi from behind after he took a hit from Kakuzu's Fuuton. Kakashi showed no hint of almost dying during that clash. In fact, Hidan complimented him on being able to hold his own so well.

And yes, after they clashed, it became a CQC fight in which they stalemated. Hidan stalemated Kakashi of the sharingan on speed and striking speed. Just with that feat you can say Hidan > Pain in CQC.

If Shikamaru can react to Hidan, so can Human Path.

1- Shikamaru's reaction speed is above average. He reacted to a point blank atack from Kakuzu, who even gave Kakashi a lot of trouble on the speed area.

2- Being able to react =/= being able to dodge. If pain reacts to Hidan but is not able to dodge/cover his skin from Hidan's atacks he's done. Hidan only needs 1 drop of blood.

Pain doesn't have enough speed feats and CQC feats to say he can keep up with Hidan and react to all his movements on CQC without losing a drop of blood.

Hidan failed to draw blood from Kakashi even when he was injured, tired from using 4 Raikiris, and attacked from behind. I don't see how that feat makes him so superior to Human Path when even Shikamaru could dodge his strikes and pressure him.

Again, Kakashi >>> Pain in speed and CQC, and he had showed no signs of injury or exhaustion what so ever in that fight. So this argument doesn't help here.

The fact that Hidan stalemates Kakashi on overall speed and CQC speeds finishes this stupid argument, and as i already mentioned, don't underrate shikamaru's reaction speed. Hidan was not pressured by shikamaru in taijutsu, he was pressured by him because Shikamaru has control over his shadows and it moves pretty fast, if it was just a taijutsu fight then Hidan would've obvliverated him. And shikamaru only got him because he outsmarted him, not because he outspeeded him.

 

[Braiyan]

His feats displayed against Kakashi, who is physically superior to pain.

Kakashi showed to be faster than pain and couldn't destroy him with raikiri due only to shared vision.

That is not true. Deva

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and dodged Raikiri all by himself during their brief taijutsu clash. If his speed and reflexes were so superior to Pain's, either Kakashi would not have gotten touched at all, or Deva would not have been fast enough to get a hit in. Then we also have Kakashi

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to ambush Deva with a kunai, which again, should have succeeded if Deva was so inferior to Kakashi's speed.

Would you write it again please?

Lack of knowledge seriously hampers Hidan here as he will more likely try to make Human Path suffer first if he gets any of his blood before going in for the kill. This doesn't mean anything to Human Path seeing that it doesn't feel pain. Thus Human Path could take advantage (of Hidan's surprise at Human Path's lack of reaction to being stabbed in the legs) with a smoke bomb + chakra rod stab, then rip out his soul once he forces Hidan out of the circle.

I still don't see the proof. He could have barely known that Hidan is an immortal ninja that was powerful. They needed an immortal partner so Kakuzu wouldn't kill him, since Kakuzu was killing all his partners.

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and reports everything back to Pain and Obito. Again, it's silly to assume that the leader of the Akatsuki would not know the abilities of his own members.

Even with knowledge displayed, it still doesn't make a lot of difference. Human path fights at short range, meaning he has no way to avoid getting close to Hidan, even with knowledge, this doesn't change.

I was never arguing that Human Path would not engage in close range. In fact, most of my arguments are in favour of Human Path forcing Hidan to engage in close quarters combat.

And yes, after they clashed, it became a CQC fight in which they stalemated. Hidan stalemated Kakashi of the sharingan on speed and striking speed. Just with that feat you can say Hidan > Pain in CQC.

Hidan stalemated an injured, tired Kakashi who he blindsided while he was dodging another attack.

Deva Path tagged a Kakashi in better condition then dodged his second fastest attack without shared vision. That alone contradicts the idea of Hidan being > Pain in CQC. But then we also have Deva dodging Rasenshuriken twice, reacting to 6 Tailed Naruto, and even outspeeding him. We also have Shikamaru of all people dodging Hidan's strikes.

1- Shikamaru's reaction speed is above average. He reacted to a point blank atack from Kakuzu, who even gave Kakashi a lot of trouble on the speed area.

Unless you're willing to argue that Shikamaru is more reflexive than Human Path, then I don't see how he is going to be able to dodge/parry Hidan's strikes but Human Path can't.

2- Being able to react =/= being able to dodge. If pain reacts to Hidan but is not able to dodge/cover his skin from Hidan's atacks he's done.

Luckily Human Path has chakra rods to parry Hidan's scythe.

Hidan only needs 1 drop of blood.

And Human Path only needs to stab Hidan once.

Pain doesn't have enough speed feats and CQC feats to say he can keep up with Hidan and react to all his movements on CQC without losing a drop of blood.

Luckily my argument accounted for that. If Human Path does not stop Hidan from getting blood, then he keeps him so busy that he can't draw his circle. If he can't stop him from drawing his circle, then he forces him out of the circle. Hidan does not have enough feats to say he can react to Human Path's attacks without being stabbed even once.

and he had showed no signs of injury

Hidan attacked him after Kakashi got hit by Kakuzu's Fuuton. That's why his jacket and headband are gone.

or exhaustion what so ever in that fight. So this argument doesn't help here.

Literally right after that clash Kakashi comments on his need to finish the fight quickly

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The fact that Hidan stalemates Kakashi on overall speed and CQC speeds finishes this stupid argument, and as i already mentioned, don't underrate shikamaru's reaction speed.

The fact that Hidan stalemates an injured tired Kakashi after blindsiding him pretty much guarantees that he will be stabbed at least once in this fight, in which case Nagato is free to restrain/slow down Hidan with his chakra, and give Human Path the opening to Soul Rip.

And shikamaru only got him because he outsmarted him, not because he outspeeded him.

"Smarts" does not account for Shikamaru being able to avoid Hidan's scythe. "Smarts" does not account for him being able

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. Shikamaru got Hidan because he had the reflexes to dodge Hidan's attack and fool him.

 

[Zexion~]

Based on what?

Feats .-.

Yet an injured Kakashi did it with an even smaller kunai.

Thanks to Pre-Cog, and he still just barely was able to :lol

That's exactly what it will do, seeing that it indirectly led to Deva Path dodging Kakashi's Raikiri point blank, and made both Jiraiya and Naruto unable to move properly or control their chakra until they were removed.

Okay :lol.....Hidan doesn't really need to control chakra and he'd remove it fine.

How is he going to obtain blood when he failed to do so against Kakashi and Shikamaru, who like Nagato, have knowledge of his weapons/fighting style? How is he going to draw and complete his circle when Human Path is fast enough to pressure him into making this a close quarters fight?

Shikamaru trolled him, Kakashi has pre-cog and better feats than human path. Human path is fast but pressuring him into a CQC fight is futile, seeing as

A)He needs to use his hand to end this match anyways which makes it that much easier to obtain blood
B) Hidan has the larger weapon,faster striking speed and longer range.

He takes this.

 

[NSUNSR]

Based on feats Human path has far better reaction and foot speed.

 

[Braiyan]

Feats .-.

Funny, because based on the feats I've seen, Human Path is superior.

Thanks to Pre-Cog, and he still just barely was able to :lol

At the bold: You say he was barely able to, yet Hidan couldn't get one drop of blood from him. Even while attacking him in the air from behind as he was dodging another attack.

Kakashi had pre-cog, was fresh, and was possibly stronger when he engaged Deva Path. Yet he still got tagged with a chakra rod that he knew full well was coming.

Okay :lol.....Hidan doesn't really need to control chakra and he'd remove it fine.

Right, because Hidan is going to ignore the fact that the rod will restrain his movements and just pull it out like nothing happened. Human Path is also just going to stand there and not take advantage of the opening that he just made.

Shikamaru trolled him,

And Human Path has superior CQC feats, meaning he can do the same.

Human path is fast but pressuring him into a CQC fight is futile, seeing as

A)He needs to use his hand to end this match anyways which makes it that much easier to obtain blood
B) Hidan has the larger weapon,faster striking speed and longer range.

This would be a problem if Human Path didn't have

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. As well as smoke bombs.

He takes this.

I disagree. His CQC skills don't surpass Human Path's, he has no knowledge of Human Path's weapons or his lack of reaction to pain. And his personality suggests that he will underestimate the danger of being stabbed by a rod, as well as make it less likely that he will try to finish things quickly. Thus he will get stabbed at some point then Soul Ripped. It doesn't matter whether the smoke bombs provide that opportunity, Human Path's lack of reaction to pain, the rods extending by surprise, Human Path's own speed and skill or a combination of the above.

 

[Zexion~]

Funny, because based on the feats I've seen, Human Path is superior.

Not at all.

At the bold: You say he was barely able to, yet Hidan couldn't get one drop of blood from him. Even while attacking him in the air from behind as he was dodging another attack.

You can see the Kunai hit the precise spot it needed to hit, and Kakashi couldn't avoid the blitz he needed to block it.

Kakashi had pre-cog, was fresh, and was possibly stronger when he engaged Deva Path. Yet he still got tagged with a chakra rod that he knew full well was coming.

Deva =/= Human Path, and it was from what, less than a meter away.

Right, because Hidan is going to ignore the fact that the rod will restrain his movements and just pull it out like nothing happened. Human Path is also just going to stand there and not take advantage of the opening that he just made.

It doesn't restrain movements :lol, it might slow Hidan down once.

And Human Path has superior CQC feats, meaning he can do the same.

CQC Feats? Like what, requiring a smoke bomb to blitz a trio of fodders.

This would be a problem if Human Path didn't have

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. As well as smoke bombs.

The chakra rods are useless bro.

I disagree. His CQC skills don't surpass Human Path's, he has no knowledge of Human Path's weapons or his lack of reaction to pain. And his personality suggests that he will underestimate the danger of being stabbed by a rod, as well as make it less likely that he will try to finish things quickly. Thus he will get stabbed at some point then Soul Ripped. It doesn't matter whether the smoke bombs provide that opportunity, Human Path's lack of reaction to pain, the rods extending by surprise, Human Path's own speed and skill or a combination of the above.

He doesn't need knowledge, the rods aren't stunning Hidan for more than a second so you saying its going to lead to a soul rip is ridiculous.

 

[Manda II]

First of all, the Jashin ritual wouldn’t work on a dead body. Nagato remotely controls the path via his chakra. If somehow Hidan gets a hold on HP’s blood, it wouldn’t affect Nagato at all, since the blood belongs to the Takigakure shinobi Pein uses.

HP took a direct hit from SM Jiraiya and still managed to get up in fighting condition.[

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He was fast enough to shunshin behind Jiraiya's blind spot even though it was a couple of meters behind Preta path, who needed Shima to alert him. [

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] Even though Animal path increased his field of view via the shared vision, HP was strong enough to tank and respond to SM Jiraiya's movements.[

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] And we've seen in Part 1 that seeing isn't reacting because even if you can see your opponents movements, if your body isn't fast enough all is pointless. [

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] Besides his only jutsu, HP can also use Rinnegan rods to parry Hidan's scythe attacks or immobilise him depending how the fight goes.

Human's path reactions, durability and the fact that he's a living corpse make me side with HP on this one.

 

[Braiyan]

You can see the Kunai hit the precise spot it needed to hit, and Kakashi couldn't avoid the blitz he needed to block it.

How is it a blitz if Kakashi blocked every hit? What does this have to do with the fact that Hidan couldn't get any blood at all from Kakashi even with the advantage of attacking him from behind in the air?

Deva =/= Human Path, and it was from what, less than a meter away.

In other words, around the range Human Path is going to be in when engaging Hidan in CQC. Which can be extended by extending the rod.

And the point here is that he doesn't have to be, because it's still going to be Nagato's ability to react in play, and the fact that you don't have to be Kakashi (who was injured, not fresh and attacked from behind anyways) to engage Hidan in CQC. As was shown with Shikamaru.

CQC Feats? Like what, requiring a smoke bomb to blitz a trio of fodders.

1.

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2. Human Path blitzed two sensors (one of which was a jounin) and another jounin. Hardly "fodder" when you consider Ino was holding her own against Edo Asuma (both in Choji's body and when she took control of two Zetsu clones).

As for other feats of speed, there's also reacting to Rasenshuriken (which went across the Chibaku Tensei crater in a second) and catching a punch from SM Jiraiya.

It doesn't restrain movements :lol, it might slow Hidan down once.

The chakra rods are useless bro.

- Sees a scan of Nagato stating that he can control persons with his chakra through the rod, claims the rods are useless.

He doesn't need knowledge, the rods aren't stunning Hidan for more than a second so you saying its going to lead to a soul rip is ridiculous.

At the bolded: Proof? Because Naruto was on the ground for more than just "a second".
Are you saying in a scenario where the two are engaged in close quarters combat and Hidan gets stabbed, that it's going to take more than a second for Human Path to put a hand on Hidan? Especially when Hidan would not know the danger involved in letting Human Path touch him?

 

[BlacLord™]

Asura Path mid high diffs. Against Human Path Hidan high diffs

How? The paths are just old corpses.

Hidan isn't going to be able to kill something that's already dead, especially considering there's no blood anyway. Human Path just yanks his soul and its GG Hidan.

 

[Lariatoo]

How? The paths are just old corpses.

Hidan isn't going to be able to kill something that's already dead, especially considering there's no blood anyway. Human Path just yanks his soul and its GG Hidan.

It actually have blood (Deva Path and Naraka Path spiat blood when Naruto Rasengan's them.) And its not necessário kill as much as "destroy" per versus matches rules.

 

[Apêx1]

@Beans, Human Paths had plenty of time to react to the attack seeing as Jiraiya was busy trying to get behind the paths whilst the paths could see him the entire time due to shared vision. He didn't react to his attack in a straight-up continuous confrontation. Then there's the fact that reaction speed is completely irrelevant here, because Hidan's Kenjutsu mastery allows him to shit all over Human Paths. Human Paths being a beast at wielding chakra rods is nothing but speculation, Hidan's skills with his Scythe are apparent. Hidan's speed allows him to pressure Kakashi from this far

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and reach close range instantly even though the Sharingan is in use

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Let's not forget the range difference, where Hidan can shit on Jounin's like Asuma from this far

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WHILE he was dodging shadow possession. Let's please not try to compare Human Paths to the person who raped Asuma, same Asuma who could dodge several attacks from Kisame and then land an attack with the range enhancement of his chakra blade

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I hope you don't try to argue Human Paths standing a chance again, it's ridiculous.

 

[KidGamer65]

Hidan wins.