Why don't kishimoto's editors give him advice?

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Like I don't understand why none of his editors help him, they just let him continue to write garbage, like do they all just say "yes yes that's good", to everything he writes??, they should also look at the fanbases and see what there saying, I promise when I become a mangaka, I'm gonna get all the advice I can get and look at reviews/comments to improve the story, because it's really dumb when you just release random things and don't care what people want to actually see.
 

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I wouldn't want to read a series where the mangaka caters to its fanbase and worries about their complaints. He/She should have the freedom to write whatever they want. I'm not sure how much of an influence the editors had on the final moments of the Naruto manga but one suggestion I would of given to Kishi was to take a month hiatus before starting the fourth ninja war and think things through. It would of turned out a lot better IMO.
 

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Naruto vs Pain was due to an editor's suggestion if I recall correctly. It was originally supposed to be Tsunade vs Pain. But the editor suggested that it should be Naruto instead.
 

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Kishi doesn't care what his fans think. He loves trolling the shit out of them so that their jimmies are rustled. If he listened to a bunch of fans he would get influenced by others and it won't be his original work anymore. His own creativity, the ideas he generated for the story would be thrown in the garbage.
 

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I wouldn't want to read a series where the mangaka caters to its fanbase and worries about their complaints. He/She should have the freedom to write whatever they want. I'm not sure how much of an influence the editors had on the final moments of the Naruto manga but one suggestion I would of given to Kishi was to take a month hiatus before starting the fourth ninja war and think things through. It would of turned out a lot better IMO.
Not cater to every single thing, I'm just saying he could look at some suggestions from time to time
 

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You gonna become mangaka???? I would like to see your samples!! :)
 

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Look, while I agree that the story of Naruto started getting a little sloppy and missed the mark entirely of what made the series so great in the first place, you likewise missed the mark entirely of the process of making a manga. My intention here is not to come off as rude, but if you wish to become a mangaka like you claim then there are some fundamental principles you need to understand.

First off, Kishimoto did in fact have advisors when he started the manga. The character of Sasuke was not originally created until Kishimoto's advisory board suggested that he added a rival character to butt heads with the main hero. That proves that there used to be a system in place, as any starting mangaka should have. Heres where the system starts to fall apart, much akin to George Lucas with Star Wars. Once a creator achieves a certain level of success either A. that creator no longer believes they need a support system, B. the support system no longer deems it necessary as the success of the content speaks for itself, or C. the storyteller receives advise but has already developed the story in a certain direction and is set on that motion. The consumers will eat anything at that point, thus there is not a high demand for quality work, so much as there is product to be consumed. I would assume at this point Kishimoto no longer has advisors to steer the story a certain direction, as it has been over 10 long years of success. He has proven that he can handle the material, at least to his support system.

Second, the fan base. Fans and critics are crucial for progressing any work. Especially art. However, when telling a story things get a little different. Now, I will not go off explaining the fundamentals of storytelling as that is an entirely different ball park, but I will summarize it up with this: As a storyteller, to tell a strong story, the story must pull from an emotion or a theme that resonates with you. The core that the entire story is structured around must be powerful, or else no one else will care about it. It is up to you, the storyteller to carry out this theme and tell your own story. If Kishimoto had changed anything at all in Naruto just because his "fans" were complaining about it, then it would significantly diminish the value of the story, as from that moment on it is not his story. At that point, he is nothing more than a vehicle for the entire world to tell a story, and thus defeats the purpose of the storyteller. Fans are important, and speculation / debates amongst the fan base is equally important as it keeps the material relevant. However you must never give in to peer pressure. True fans will appreciate the material no matter what, and if your story's core is strong enough then you will never have doubts in where you take your story.
 
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Like I don't understand why none of his editors help him, they just let him continue to write garbage, like do they all just say "yes yes that's good", to everything he writes??, they should also look at the fanbases and see what there saying, I promise when I become a mangaka, I'm gonna get all the advice I can get and look at reviews/comments to improve the story, because it's really dumb when you just release random things and don't care what people want to actually see.

How would you react if I were to say that the results of the manga was because he listened to his editors
 

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Look, while I agree that the story of Naruto started getting a little sloppy and missed the mark entirely of what made the series so great in the first place, you likewise missed the mark entirely of the process of missing a manga. My intention here is not to come off as rude, but if you wish to become a mangaka like you claim then there are some fundamental principles you need to understand.

First off, Kishimoto did in fact have advisors when he started the manga. The character of Sasuke was not originally created until Kishimoto's advisory board suggested that he added a rival character to butt heads with the main hero. That proves that there used to be a system in place, as any starting mangaka should have. Heres where the system starts to fall apart, much akin to George Lucas with Star Wars. Once a creator achieves a certain level of success either A. that creator no longer believes they need a support system, B. the support system no longer deems it necessary as the success of the content speaks for itself, or C. the storyteller receives advise but has already developed the story in a certain direction and is set on that motion. The consumers will eat anything at that point, thus there is not a high demand for quality work, so much as there is product to be consumed. I would assume at this point Kishimoto no longer has advisors to steer the story a certain direction, as it has been over 10 long years of success. He has proven that he can handle the material, at least to his support system.

Second, the fan base. Fans and critics are crucial for progressing any work. Especially art. However, when telling a story things get a little different. Now, I will not go off explaining the fundamentals of storytelling as that is an entirely different ball park, but I will summarize it up with this: As a storyteller, to tell a strong story, the story must pull from an emotion or a theme that resonates with you. The core that the entire story is structured around must be powerful, or else no one else will care about it. It is up to you, the storyteller to carry out this theme and tell your own story. If Kishimoto had changed anything at all in Naruto just because his "fans" were complaining about it, then it would significantly diminish the value of the story, as from that moment on it is not his story. At that point, he is nothing more than a vehicle for the entire world to tell a story, and thus defeats the purpose of the storyteller. Fans are important, and speculation / debates amongst the fan base is equally important as it keeps the material relevant. However you must never give in to peer pressure. True fans will appreciate the material no matter what, and if your story's core is strong enough then you will never have doubts in where you take your story.

Coincidentally, last time there was mention of Kishi listening to his advisors was actually the Pein arc when his advisors told him to have Naruto defeat Pein instead of Tsunade. Nobody knows if the advisors were there for the rest of the story personally, I would've preferred Tsunade defeating Pein, would've given her more feats
 

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The last time the editors gave Kishi advice we got Sakura.... So yeah even I would never ask again
 

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Naruto vs Pain was due to an editor's suggestion if I recall correctly. It was originally supposed to be Tsunade vs Pain. But the editor suggested that it should be Naruto instead.
I don't believe anything Kishimoto says honestly, he once said choji was his favorite character, yet he barely shows him
 

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The manga is only as good as it is because of the advice his advisors gave him. If he didn't have any help, you'd see a much weaker manga.
 

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as mangaka you take in what you read an why you were inspire to become an mangaka, it pretty much take in to account the current mangaka an there work an how they convert there story telling an meaning of understanding it not what the people want.. it how you could do the same using your own life experiences an adept element form other works into your own work.

the editors are there to keep you in line of what is needed, as you start out an climb the ladder of being an professional mangaka you have to take in a lot .. critic an rejection..

Masashi kishimoto does care..taking in what is current, like trends an getting feedback from this editors an assistant.. on suggestion an idea on what planned there are more then one pathway..

manga is more suited for japanese an asian region then the western world as it tell somewhat different story an doesn't alway be liked..due to how it portrayed as it have multi meaning through the pages an story arc.. that can be miss as people just look at the action an what cool stuff the character can do an want more..


tsunade facing pain would lead to pain killing her by pulling out her soul..
 

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The manga is only as good as it is because of the advice his advisors gave him. If he didn't have any help, you'd see a much weaker manga.

Editor's is why Sakura and Sasuke exist. They've done enough damage to the series
 

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Editor's is why Sakura and Sasuke exist. They've done enough damage to the series

If you are so butthurt over a pairing than you didn't give the manga the proper respect it deserved in the first place. Pairings should be the last thing on a person's mind in a manga that is strictly concentrated on story, mystery and discovery.
 

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Editor's is why Sakura and Sasuke exist. They've done enough damage to the series

Without Sasuke the manga would have never became as big as it did. Naruto needed a rival.
 

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Naruto vs Pain was due to an editor's suggestion if I recall correctly. It was originally supposed to be Tsunade vs Pain. But the editor suggested that it should be Naruto instead.

Coincidentally, last time there was mention of Kishi listening to his advisors was actually the Pein arc when his advisors told him to have Naruto defeat Pein instead of Tsunade. Nobody knows if the advisors were there for the rest of the story personally, I would've preferred Tsunade defeating Pein, would've given her more feats

Tsunade was only going to beat Asura Path/Puppet Pein. Naruto was going to fight the other 5 himself, since that's what the arc was building to. It's why Naruto essentially oneshots Asura path and Tsunade collapses.

Think about it though, the 6 Paths gave Sage Jiraiya and Naruto a tough fight. What would an exhausted, no Byakugou seal Tsunade be able to do against them?
 

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Tsunade was only going to beat Asura Path/Puppet Pein. Naruto was going to fight the other 5 himself, since that's what the arc was building to. It's why Naruto essentially oneshots Asura path and Tsunade collapses.

Think about it though, the 6 Paths gave Sage Jiraiya and Naruto a tough fight. What would an exhausted, no Byakugou seal Tsunade be able to do against them?
I see. Well, nothing given the feat comparisons between her and him.
 

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Tsunade was only going to beat Asura Path/Puppet Pein. Naruto was going to fight the other 5 himself, since that's what the arc was building to. It's why Naruto essentially oneshots Asura path and Tsunade collapses.

Think about it though, the 6 Paths gave Sage Jiraiya and Naruto a tough fight. What would an exhausted, no Byakugou seal Tsunade be able to do against them?

No Byakugo Seal? And that's the point, to give her feats instead of having people like you (no offense, it's just you helped my case with that post) around and doubting that she could do it... It could've been used to expand on her, to actually give her something
 
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