[Suggestion] RP - Custom MS

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I'd like to suggest changes to be made in the conditions for Custom Mangekyo Sharingan Jutsus. Rules Listed Here [ ]

Before I go on, I'd like to state that my reasonings for making this suggestion.
1) It is one of my personal goals of the RP to attain a Custom Mangekyo Sharingan
2) I would like to make the RP as close to the series it is based on​

Currently, the rules state that when submitting Custom Mangekyo Sharingan Jutsus, they must consist of:
— A Genjutsu-Based Techniue
— A Physical Attack-Based Ninjutsu
— A Spiritual Ethereal Warrior-Based Ninjutsu​

Now these rules were made awhile ago, and lasted edited nearly 2 years ago. I can see why these were the conditions that were set, considering the only set of MS techniques that could be used as a basis were Itachi's. So it made sense that a Genjutsu, Ninjutsu, and Ethereal Being were the criteria. I'd like to argue that these criteria be changed.

Canon Mangekyo Sharingan Users & Abilites

Itachi
— Tsukuyomi
— Amaterasu
— Susanoo
Sasuke
— Amaterasu Casting
— Amaterasu Manipulation/Blaze Release
— Susanoo
Obito
— Kamui (Short-Range)
— Kamui (Long-Range)
— Susanoo
Kakashi
— Kamui (Short-Range)
— Kamui (Long-Range)
— Susanoo
Shisui
— Kotamatsukami
— Susanoo (Game Only)
Madara
— Susanoo
Shin
— Telekinetic Weapon Control
If you notice, Itachi is the only one with a Genjutsu-Based MS technique. Sasuke himself has never even used Tsukuyomi, and I can bring a strong argument in the case that he never had it. However, Sasuke did have 2 closely related Ninjutsu-Based MS techniques. He had one eye to cast Amaterasu, and another to control it. Similarly, Obito (and Kakashi) does not have a Genjutsu-Based MS technique. Together, their set of eyes offer two closely related Ninjutsu-Based MS techniques; one eye for a Short-Range Version of Kamui, and another eye for a Long-Range Version.

An additional thing to note is simply that Susanoo was granted to Obito's eye (but on Kakashi) after both eye techniques were unlocked. (The reason Susanoo didn't appear before, is because he did not have both eyes unlocked at the same time in his own body.)

There is nothing to base on Madara's case, except for the fact that he had Susanoo. Regarding Shin, we were only able to see a single Ninjutsu-Based MS technique, so we cannot infer from him.



Using this information as a basis, I'd like to argue that despite MS being unique to each Uchiha, they are connected by Susanoo. It seems that once both eye techniques are unlocked, each Uchiha with an MS has the potential to obtain Susanoo. Additionally, Sasuke and Obito/Kakashi, are clear cases that a Genjutsu-Based MS technique is not necessarily going to be bestowed upon the user. What it did show is that two Ninjutsu-Based MS techniques may be bestowed, so long as they are closely related. I don't believe Custom MS users should even be allowed to submit a Non-Susanoo Susanoo. I feel as though all the users, custom or not, should be given the right to use the canon Susanoo Jutsu, and it's several variants.

So, I'd like to consider new criteria be made for the Custom Mangekyo Sharingan Jutsu Submission to be as followed

Code:
1. A Genjutsu-Based Techniue

2. A Ninjutsu-Based Technique

3. Susanoo

[CENTER][SIZE=4][B]OR[/B][/SIZE][/CENTER]


1. Two [B]CLOSELY RELATED[/B] Ninjutsu-Based Technique

3. Susanoo

TL;DR: I suggest allowing the option to submit two Ninjutsus as opposed to a Genjutsu and Ninjutsu for Mangekyo Sharingans, as well as making the third Ethereal Being be changed to the Canon Susanoo Jutsu.

Lemme know what you think =D
(Remember to be respectful U_U)
 
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I distinctly remember Madara classifying Sasuke's EMS as a "comma" type. If only Kishi had expanded on subsets of the MS, with each one having certain properties and whatnot. Perhaps the unlocking of the three eye powers (T, A, S) was exclusive to Itachi? Maybe it was retconned? The world may never know...

But you're saying more flexibility in Custom MS submissions? I can endorse this suggestion :D
 

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Sasuke can use Tsukiyomi o.o
Also, it was said you need to be able to use both Tsukiyomi and Amaterasu in order to unlock Susano'o.
Sasuke has never actually been seen using it. I have not found a single scan. Also, if you need both Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu, then Kakashi should not have been able to utilize Susanoo.

I distinctly remember Madara classifying Sasuke's EMS as a "comma" type. If only Kishi had expanded on subsets of the MS, with each one having certain properties and whatnot. Perhaps the unlocking of the three eye powers (T, A, S) was exclusive to Itachi? Maybe it was retconned? The world may never know...

But you're saying more flexibility in Custom MS submissions? I can endorse this suggestion :D
I remember that. If I recall correctly, he more specifically stated it to be a "straight comma". I simply assumed this to mean that instead of a normal comma or Tomoe Sharingan (base form), it was a straight pattern that didn't have standard comma (e.g. a MS design.)

So I think Madara simply meant that he knew Sasuke had MS.
 
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Sasuke can use Tsukiyomi o.o
Also, it was said you need to be able to use both Tsukiyomi and Amaterasu in order to unlock Susano'o.
Yet obito and shisui never did I think they meant when your awaken the power in both eyes

Kakashi had both kamui
Shisui had both KA
Sasuke had used amterasu from his left and controlled it with his right
 

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Itachi could also use Kagutsuchi.

That info is false. Obito proved it. And Jakai's suggestion isn't bad tbh
Thank you, but are you sure about the Kagutsuchi part?

Yet obito and shisui never did I think they meant when your awaken the power in both eyes

Kakashi had both kamui
Shisui had both KA
Sasuke had used amterasu from his left and controlled it with his right
Oh right, Shisui, I need to add him. We don't know if KA was in both eyes though. It seemed like it was. If so, Shisui can be made as a case that two Genjutsu based techniques can be submitted as well.
 

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Thank you, but are you sure about the Kagutsuchi part?



Oh right, Shisui, I need to add him. We don't know if KA was in both eyes though. It seemed like it was. If so, Shisui can be made as a case that two Genjutsu based techniques can be submitted as well.
Danzo's eye from Shisui had KA and so did Itachi's.
 

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Sasuke can use Tsukiyomi o.o
Also, it was said you need to be able to use both Tsukiyomi and Amaterasu in order to unlock Susano'o.
Which i'm pretty sure was an assumption on their part. All evidence shows that only Itachi and Sasuke can use it. z.z
 

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Danzo's eye from Shisui had KA and so did Itachi's.
I will be making a quick edit to the original post

Which i'm pretty sure was an assumption on their part. All evidence shows that only Itachi and Sasuke can use it. z.z
Please refer to Post #21 in regards to Sasuke using Tsukuyomi, which he can't
 
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Thank you, but are you sure about the Kagutsuchi part?



Oh right, Shisui, I need to add him. We don't know if KA was in both eyes though. It seemed like it was. If so, Shisui can be made as a case that two Genjutsu based techniques can be submitted as well.
Koto is in both eyes. The eye Danzo had used Koto and the eye Itachi used had Koto. As for the others no Sasuke does not have Tsukuyomi. He cannot manipulate the targets perception of time which is a defining characteristic of the jutsu. Itachi also does not have Blaze release where shape manipulation of Amaterasu is the defining characteristic. Blaze can be used to turn off Amaterasu but so can the the eye that casted it as Sasuke and Itachi have shown.

With that being said, I agree with Jakai's suggestion. Two closely related ninjutsu should be allowed on custom MS bios as shown in the manga.
 

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Sasuke can use Tsukiyomi o.o
Also, it was said you need to be able to use both Tsukiyomi and Amaterasu in order to unlock Susano'o.
False. You need to unlock both eyes for Susano'o
JS u_u

OT - Not a bad suggestion, though it'd be neat to submit MS customs for bios like Madara/Obito, who only has 1 ability
 

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Thank you, but are you sure about the Kagutsuchi part?



Oh right, Shisui, I need to add him. We don't know if KA was in both eyes though. It seemed like it was. If so, Shisui can be made as a case that two Genjutsu based techniques can be submitted as well.
Yes, Itachi extinguished the flames. Kooljay is wrong in saying the eye that casts it can extinguish it. Sasuke extinguished Amaterasu with his right eye, his Kagutsuchi eye. He casts Amaterasu with his left.
 

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You also forgot to mention Shisui. Where danzo used one eye to completely manipulate someone without knowledge. While the other eye Itachi was able to imbed a command protect konoha upon seeing his MS so it's hard to say what his two eyes together are capable of.
 
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If I remember correctly, Danzo said Sasuke could use Tsukoyomi but wasn't as good as Itachi was with it concerning the passage of time. Also Itachi could create Amaterau but could not control it whereas Sasuke could.
 

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Sasuke has never actually been seen using it. I have not found a single scan. Also, if you need both Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu, then Kakashi should not have been able to utilize Susanoo.



I remember that. If I recall correctly, he more specifically stated it to be a "straight comma". I simply assumed this to mean that instead of a normal comma or Tomoe Sharingan (base form), it was a straight pattern that didn't have standard comma (e.g. a MS design.)

So I think Madara simply meant that he knew Sasuke had MS.
Itachi could also use Kagutsuchi.

That info is false. Obito proved it. And Jakai's suggestion isn't bad tbh
False. You need to unlock both eyes for Susano'o
JS u_u

OT - Not a bad suggestion, though it'd be neat to submit MS customs for bios like Madara/Obito, who only has 1 ability
No like it was legit said in the Third Databook by Kishi himself that both Tsukiyomi and Amaterasu were required for Susano'o.

Susanoo (pp. 274–275)
Susanoo[49] (須佐能乎, Literally meaning: [He] with the ability to help by all means)

Ninjutsu, Kekkei Genkai, No rank, Offensive, Defensive, All ranges
User(s): Itachi Uchiha
Protecting the user while destroying the enemy!

→↓ As the strongest dōjutsu, only they can reach it who have taken the Mangekyō Sharingan —feared by those around it— to its extremes; a godly state to achieve. It is the user's guardian deity, but at the same time, it consumes the user's life.
[picture of Itachi's Mangekyō Sharingan]
[picture of Itachi surrounded by Susanoo]

Dwelling in the eyes that grasp the truth of Heaven and Earth is a valorous, sword-wielding, shield-bearing, fierce god!!

Amaterasu[50], denoting the "light of the material world" and Tsukuyomi[51], symbolising the "darkness of the spiritual world"—— Only they who have activated the Mangekyō Sharingan —the heavenly eyes that see without obstruction the truth of all of creation— are permitted to use these two dōjutsu. Dwelling only in they who have grasped both of these technique is the power of a tempestuous god… that is Susanoo. The materialised chakra takes on the form of a god of war with a commanding face and powerful physique. His fierce soul will not calm down until he has destroyed all enemies before his eyes…!!
 

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No like it was legit said in the Third Databook by Kishi himself that both Tsukiyomi and Amaterasu were required for Susano'o.
That's because Itachi was the only one who had it at the time. Also the databooks and manga tend to contradict each other. And if that was the case, then Kakashi wouldn't be able to use Susano'o in the first place since the only powers he has is Kamui.

Even Sasuke said it himself about the eye thing. Notice how his left eye is bloody from using Amaterasu and used his right eye to control the flames
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Sasuke used tsukuyomi against Danzo.
Refer to the wallie on Post #21

Koto is in both eyes. The eye Danzo had used Koto and the eye Itachi used had Koto. As for the others no Sasuke does not have Tsukuyomi. He cannot manipulate the targets perception of time which is a defining characteristic of the jutsu. Itachi also does not have Blaze release where shape manipulation of Amaterasu is the defining characteristic. Blaze can be used to turn off Amaterasu but so can the the eye that casted it as Sasuke and Itachi have shown.

With that being said, I agree with Jakai's suggestion. Two closely related ninjutsu should be allowed on custom MS bios as shown in the manga.
Thank you :)

False. You need to unlock both eyes for Susano'o
JS u_u

OT - Not a bad suggestion, though it'd be neat to submit MS customs for bios like Madara/Obito, who only has 1 ability
Thanks, but I'd have to disagree with that, considering the only MS users that we may be able to make customs for would be Madara and Shin. Obito's two jutsus are known —*Kamui

Yes, Itachi extinguished the flames. Kooljay is wrong in saying the eye that casts it can extinguish it. Sasuke extinguished Amaterasu with his right eye, his Kagutsuchi eye. He casts Amaterasu with his left.
I don't remember him ever doing that

You also forgot to mention Shisui. Where danzo used one eye to completely manipulate someone without knowledge. While the other eye Itachi was able to imbed a command protect konoha upon seeing his MS so it's hard to say what his two eyes together are capable of.
That seems like both eyes are simply Kotoamatsukami though.

If I remember correctly, Danzo said Sasuke could use Tsukoyomi but wasn't as good as Itachi was with it concerning the passage of time. Also Itachi could create Amaterau but could not control it whereas Sasuke could.
Refer to Post #21

I support this!
Thanks

No like it was legit said in the Third Databook by Kishi himself that both Tsukiyomi and Amaterasu were required for Susano'o.
Refer to Post #21

Retcons :/

That's because Itachi was the only one who had it at the time. Also the databooks and manga tend to contradict each other. And if that was the case, then Kakashi wouldn't be able to use Susano'o in the first place since the only powers he has is Kamui.

Even Sasuke said it himself about the eye thing. Notice how his left eye is bloody from using Amaterasu and used his right eye to control the flames
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