Darui vs Zabuza

[Curse Mark]

As you showed in the scan, they came from underground, don't really think that fits into the term blitzing.

 

[Zexion~]

Since when are gin and kin such speedsters.......didn't they get struck by Chouza?

 

[Curse Mark]

Since when are gin and kin such speedsters.......didn't they get struck by Chouza?

b-b-b-but 9 tails chakra!!!!

 

[Zexion~]

b-b-b-but 9 tails chakra!!!!

:lol

The cloaks don't even make you any faster unless your synched with your Bijuu and they clearly aren't.

 

[Curse Mark]

:lol

The cloaks don't even make you any faster unless your synched with your Bijuu and they clearly aren't.

The cloaks Naruto gives out only give a boost of chakra, right?

 

[Zexion~]

The cloaks Naruto gives out only give a boost of chakra, right?

Idk, i'm talking about the ones Kin and Gin used, rage mode cloaks don't make you faster.

 

[EZQ]

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Considering Darui showed excellent speed, reaction and execution speed that’s not happening in the first place.

-can keep up with Ay (not his top speed ofc)
-can clown Kinkaku before he completes his slash and e

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a guided laser circus on his brother
-perceptive enough to aid and protect his teammate's blind spot in a flash

BP right of the bat ends it.



He was outsped by the ninken. Zabusa

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something was coming from underground. Tries to jump above but one of the ninkes

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his right foot. P1 Kakashi is irrelevant, Darui in P2 showed much better speed feats than beg of P1 Kakashi. Don't waste my time with nonsense pls.

1- Black panther right of the bat ends it? Sure. I mean, even white zetsu could jump out of its range, but hey, Zabuza won't be able to do so. smh.

2- Darui's speed feats are not enough to say he speed blitzes Zabuza or even outspeeds him before Zabuza makes 1 hand seal.

3- Again, the dogs came from underground and Zabuza wasn't expecting it. Lmao, is that what you call a speedblitz? By that logic Sakura outspeeded Kaguya. GTFO. That talks about Zabuza's reaction speed, not about his sunshin.

4- How did Darui show "much better" feats than pt1 kakashi? Gin and Kin are not considered fast, while Kakashi is. You don't waste my time on stupid arguments.

EDIT: and if you're taking into account Kiuuby cloack Ginkkaku, who is in fact faster than part 1 kakashi, then we must anallyze the fact that Darui barely managed to dodge one tail slash from him and nothing more, lmao.

-Darui's speed is not enough to do anything to Zabuza from that distance, since Zabuza is pretty fast too.

-Black panther gets dodged easely. Zetsu clones managed to do so.

Edit 2: Zabuza couldn't jump from the dogs because he had his eyes closed while being inside the mist. Against Darui he wont be doing that. Your doggy argument got completely shut down.

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-Once the mist is up Darui gets stomped.

 

[Curse Mark]

Idk, i'm talking about the ones Kin and Gin used, rage mode cloaks don't make you faster.

So what do you believe they did?

 

[Zexion~]

So what do you believe they did?

Huh? They allowed the nine tails chakra to use the rage to thus influence their bodies.

 

[Curse Mark]

Huh? They allowed the nine tails chakra to use the rage to thus influence their bodies.

What stats/abilities do you think they gained from the cloaks? I'm pretty sure in the zabuza fight it was said to greatly improve narutos speed against haku

 

[Zexion~]

What stats/abilities do you think they gained from the cloaks? I'm pretty sure in the zabuza fight it was said to greatly improve narutos speed against haku

Pain was casually outrunning a 6t Naruto despite showing a slight disadvantage to SM Naruto.

Oro was able to outrun Naruto.

Jiraiya taught Naruto how to utilize the 9t chakra hence why he gained a bit of speed. When he rages I don't think it does.

Either way he was hit by Chouza in the cloak so it wasn't that fast.

 

[Curse Mark]

Pain was casually outrunning a 6t Naruto despite showing a slight disadvantage to SM Naruto.

Oro was able to outrun Naruto.

Jiraiya taught Naruto how to utilize the 9t chakra hence why he gained a bit of speed. When he rages I don't think it does.

Either way he was hit by Chouza in the cloak so it wasn't that fast.

What i referenced was way before he met jiraiya

 

[Izanamı.]

1- Black panther right of the bat ends it? Sure. I mean, even white zetsu could jump out of its range, but hey, Zabuza won't be able to do so. smh.

Can you show me when did this happen? 2.Darui can close the distance and guide his BL and Laser Circus.

3- Again, the dogs came from underground and Zabuza wasn't expecting it. Lmao, is that what you call a speedblitz? By that logic Sakura outspeeded Kaguya. GTFO. That talks about Zabuza's reaction speed, not about his sunshin.

How does this make any sense? Totally different situations. I agree than shunshin is different from jumping but this comparison is way off. Why?

1-Zabusa noticed something was coming from underground, tried to jump but still got caught by the ninken

2-Kaguya didn't notice Sakura until it was too late. She kept flying upwards since she was focused on the Naruto and Sasuke. Kaguya wasn't even aware of Sakura's presence because she was focused on Naruto and Sasuke. Literally was flying towards Sakura's direction , while Sakura was falling down smfh.

4- How did Darui show "much better" feats than pt1 kakashi? Gin and Kin are not considered fast, while Kakashi is. You don't waste my time on stupid arguments.

I already showed you feats of keeping up with Ay, protecting his teammates blind apot, executing fast consecutive movements against Kin&Him. The Ay feat alone puts him.above P1 Kakashi. Take the time to read when you reply, okay?

EDIT: and if you're taking into account Kiuuby cloack Ginkkaku, who is in fact faster than part 1 kakashi, then we must anallyze the fact that Darui barely managed to dodge one tail slash from him and nothing more, lmao.

Smh the downplaying is real. There are several feats that show Darui is faster. Darui didn't have major troubles dodging the tail swipe. Tail swipes are considered pretty fast. Recall Orochimaru vs KN4 fight.(can't post many scans right now) And btw I'm not trying to say Kin&Gin forms=KN4 in speed.

-Darui's speed is not enough to do anything to Zabuza from that distance, since Zabuza is pretty fast too.

I didnt reply to your #2 because you've rehashed the same thing over and over. All you've done here is ignore Darui's speed feats repeat the same things and label them as not impressive. Darui has feats of keeping up with Ay, guiding his BL and LC which were noted both to be fast in the manga.

Edit 2: Zabuza couldn't jump from the dogs because he had his eyes closed while being inside the mist. Against Darui he wont be doing that. Your doggy argument got completely shut down.

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Smh learn to read. His eyes being shut off doesn't change the fact that he heard the ninken coming, tried to jump, but still got caught/outsped on his right foot. 2-Zabusa opened his eyes when he heard noise right before the ninken crawled above the ground.

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Kakashi's statement only holds relevance because of the next page where he explains that he purposefully laced Zabusa's weapon with his blood.

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Had Zabusa's not tried to jump or notice beforehand the noise of the ninken, then you'd have a point. He was outsped in close range even though he tried to jump. End of story.

 

[Zexion~]

What i referenced was way before he met jiraiya

Link it for me.

 

[EZQ]

Can you show me when did this happen? 2.Darui can close the distance and guide his BL and Laser Circus.



How does this make any sense? Totally different situations. I agree than shunshin is different from jumping but this comparison is way off. Why?

1-Zabusa noticed something was coming from underground, tried to jump but still got caught by the ninken

2-Kaguya didn't notice Sakura until it was too late. She kept flying upwards since she was focused on the Naruto and Sasuke. Kaguya wasn't even aware of Sakura's presence because she was focused on Naruto and Sasuke. Literally was flying towards Sakura's direction , while Sakura was falling down smfh.



I already showed you feats of keeping up with Ay, protecting his teammates blind apot, executing fast consecutive movements against Kin&Him. The Ay feat alone puts him.above P1 Kakashi. Take the time to read when you reply, okay?



Smh the downplaying is real. There are several feats that show Darui is faster. Darui didn't have major troubles dodging the tail swipe. Tail swipes are considered pretty fast. Recall Orochimaru vs KN4 fight.(can't post many scans right now) And btw I'm not trying to say Kin&Gin forms=KN4 in speed.



I didnt reply to your #2 because you've rehashed the same thing over and over. All you've done here is ignore Darui's speed feats repeat the same things and label them as not impressive. Darui has feats of keeping up with Ay, guiding his BL and LC which were noted both to be fast in the manga.



Smh learn to read. His eyes being shut off doesn't change the fact that he heard the ninken coming, tried to jump, but still got caught/outsped on his right foot. 2-Zabusa opened his eyes when he heard noise right before the ninken crawled above the ground.

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Kakashi's statement only holds relevance because of the next page where he explains that he purposefully laced Zabusa's weapon with his blood.

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Had Zabusa's not tried to jump or notice beforehand the noise of the ninken, then you'd have a point. He was outsped in close range even though he tried to jump. End of story.

lmao i'm replying to this joke in a while.

 

[solorflare99]

People tend to think V2 cloaks makes you faster when it only makes you stronger and more durable. If anything it makes you slower.

Yamato is surprised that he can even move

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He sinks and can't move when using a chibi Bijuu Dama

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[Icelerate]

If only Shaneyyy were still here...

 

[BenjerminGaye]

People tend to think V2 cloaks makes you faster when it only makes you stronger and more durable. If anything it makes you slower.

Yamato is surprised that he can even move

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He sinks and can't move when using a chibi Bijuu Dama

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That's only when using bijudama tho..

OT: the only reason why this is up for discussion is the location. Had they not been fighting directly on water they zabuza would win comfortably.

 

[Apêx1]

Databook? Get that out of here.

Black lightining has no speed feats at all, it only worked against zetsus, and it has no feats of "pursuing" the opponent. By manga feats, its just a straight atack, and it gets dodged.

It doesn't need speed feats, Db says it's fast. No, I don't think it's the speed of lightning, but it's fast regardless. Deal with it, your denying of Databook is irrelevant as the author's word holds 1000 times the amount of value that yours does.

The speed feats you mentioned are exactly what i said. Darui's sunshin there was not a long distance, and again, base kin and gin have no speed feats at all. You saying pt2<pt1 in speed is just an assumption since kakashi even in part 1 had all the hype and feats to be really fast, while kin and gin don't have neither, nor hype nor feats.

Since when did Shunshin have to be 100 meters for it to be good? The distance Darui covered was the average distance that Shunshin usually is used for. Please get me Kakashi's Part 1 amazing speed feats. Until then, you have no argument and Darui~v1 Ay speed.

And lmao if you think Darui is managing to do black panther before Zabuza makes 1 handseal. Don't overrate that featless jutsu, and use databook here.

Um Darui can Shunshin and do the 2 hand seals at around the same speed that it takes Zabuza to make the 1 hand seal and release the Mist. Doesn't matter though, because the whole area gets electrocuted, Zabuza not being visible doesn't make him immune to electrocution.

Until one of you brings at least one decent speed feat for black lightining, suggesting it can reach Zabuza before the mist is put up (with just 1 handseal) or at least something that indicates it "chases" the enemy, Zabuza dodges it, period. Getting out of the black panther range is not a problem with Zabuza's sunshin feats.

Darui's speed accounts for it. He's doing all the movement that Black Panther would otherwise need to cover by using his Shunshin. Then Black Panther releases and regardless of where Zabuza goes he'll still be electrocuted.

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lmao. Zabuza could even start the battle by using sunshin backwards to even increase the distance between him and darui. Then, just 1 handseal is enough for him to activate the mist. And since the black panther is a linear atack with no impressive speed feats, it gets dodged.

He has no reason to shunshin backwards without intel, so it's not happening.

lmao, comparing kin and gin with part 1 kakashi in speed. Where did that come from? Being from part 2 doesn't automatically put you on the speedster category. Kakashi since part 1 was considered really fast, and he even has sharingan pre-cog, which couldn't help properly against Zabuza's speed.

Being someone who shat on Tobirama and Raikage II does make you a speedster category because having that level of power means you'd have comparable level of speed. And considered fast by other slow, part 1 Characters. Amazing.

Oh, and the scan 3 i provided, clearly shows Zabuza has the ability to make handseals while moving, so he could perfectly use the hidden mist while he dodges Darui's jutsus, and once the mist appears (which is really fast) he just hides, and Darui won't know where to send the black panther. Then the massacre starts.

Again, it doesn't need to be aimed at Zabuza. It one shots from a distance and Darui hears the screams, cherishes them, and then releases another Black Panther.

Hell, if Zabuza can't dodge black lightining because it's too fast and it chaces the enemy constantly, then 80% of the NV gets soloed by Darui, damn, Kamui GG? or BP GG?

Retarded, because it's only this effective in a water location.

Black panther is featless and unimpresive, and Zabuza's speed feats are above average. Darui's speed feats are not enough to speedblitz someone as fast as Zabuza, who can at least keep up with his speed, and with the starting distance, Zabuza has an easy job here. Kin and Gin are slower than pt1 Kakashi in their base form.

Yet its power can end Zabuza, so that makes Zabuza even less impressive. Zabuza's speed feats are garbage. They are trash which has been out-scaled tremendously. And no, they aren't. Stop appealing to ignorance.

EDIT: Damn, even Kakuzu and some zetsus were able to jump and get out of its range. "Zabuza is not getting out of its range" is as stupid as it sounds, lmao. Overrating a jutsu like that, i mean, it has no feats at all, for real.

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Proof that those Zetsu's and that Kakuzu were evading? Because there's no reason to believe those Zetsu were even there to begin with. On the other hand, you see dozens of Zetsu's who couldn't even react, so that should tell you that the other Zetsu's didn't react and jump, since they are identical. Sounding like a feats or gtfo debater, but at the end of the day all you are doing is appealing to ignorance because the cum on your screen is blinding you from realising how Darui's Black Lightning can trash your boi Zabuza.

 

[Apêx1]

If only Shaneyyy were still here...

He's secretly on a different account.