DMS Kabuto vs MS Obito

[Rιver]

So when DB benefits him, he supports it even though he's supposed to ignore it. When DB is saying something that's fact, he ignores it.

:lol. Cannot be taken seriously.

You do know that the same can be said to you in this case right? So you're just insulting yourself here too.

And no, I am basing my reasoning off of the fact that he has shown control over his Kamui. He's shown to have activate and deactivate his intangibility. But intangibility when activated is passive. And I have told you this before. If you deny this, just throw the entire manga in trash and log off the meanwhile because I definitely am not going to debate a subject that has been clearly shown in manga.

Using Databook when it clearly goes against manga is really dumb, because just yesterday you said Databook makes exaggerations and hyperboles and manga is more definite than Databook. So you'd be a hypocrite for going with Databook now, and denying it later.

Also difference was, there was a clear statement in Databook that manga never contradicted. Unless you can prove this of course. But you are saying 2+3 = 7 here because someone told you so. Smh.

So the last person I'd want to call me hypocrite would be you here.

 

[KidGamer65]

You do know that the same can be said to you in this case right? So you're just insulting yourself here too.

And no, I am basing my reasoning off of the fact that he has shown control over his Kamui. He's shown to have activate and deactivate his intangibility. But intangibility when activated is passive. And I have told you this before.

Using Databook when it clearly goes against this is really dumb, because just yesterday you said Databook makes exaggerations and hyperboles and manga is more definite than Databook. So you'd be a hypocrite for going with Databook now, and denying it later.

So the last person I'd want to call me hypocrite would be you here.

I didn't deny what the DB said. I denied it's obvious hyperbolic exaggerations. If you don't have the mental capacity to separate fact from hyperbole, please delete your account as the average IQ on this place is already low enough.

1. Speed of light is a measure of value, thus it can or cannot be a hyperbole. Considering no character in this Manga has FTL feats, and the top tiers in speed have feats that prove that they aren't FTL, thus it can be determined by anyone who doesn't have a single digit IQ that Ranton Kouga doesn't go FTL.

2. Kamui's ability has no measure of value, so please tell me how it's an exaggeration? Lmao. Dumbest active member on the base. I don't know what you have told me, or why you are responding with this BS if you are saying the exact thing I, Kakashi and the databook are saying. Lmfao. Learn how to read before you reply to me.

DB doesn't go against the Manga in this case, it only backs it up, thus I can use it. Anytime it goes against Manga or makes obvious exaggerations that a grade schooler could catch, then I ignore it, or the obvious exagggerations and focus on the FACTUAL PARTS.

Also difference was, there was a clear statement in Databook that manga never contradicted. Unless you can prove this of course. But you are saying 2+3 = 7 here because someone told you so. Smh.

River. Stop being an idiot. Naruto characters are not FTL, and their feats prove that. So please tell me how this was "never contradicted"? :lol. Funny thing is, you ignored everyone's counterarguments (That you claimed you would trash) in the group and decided to make a thread about it instead, then you come back and start telling me that Totsuka doesn't exert force when it cuts? :lol.

 

[JStar King]

Once Kabuto uses this, it's done. Obito will be too distracted and blinded. Kabuto could take him out quick before he notices him. He wins mid diff.

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[Rιver]

I didn't deny what the DB said. I denied it's obvious hyperbolic exaggerations. If you don't have the mental capacity to separate fact from hyperbole, please delete your account as the average IQ on this place is already low enough.

1. Speed of light is a measure of value, thus it can or cannot be a hyperbole. Considering no character in this Manga has FTL feats, and the top tiers in speed have feats that prove that they aren't FTL, thus it can be determined by anyone who doesn't have a single digit IQ that Ranton Kouga doesn't go FTL.

2. Kamui's ability has no measure of value, so please tell me how it's an exaggeration? Lmao. Dumbest active member on the base. I don't know what you have told me, or why you are responding with this BS if you are saying the exact thing I, Kakashi and the databook are saying. Lmfao. Learn how to read before you reply to me.

DB doesn't go against the Manga in this case, it only backs it up, thus I can use it. Anytime it goes against Manga or makes obvious exaggerations that a grade schooler could catch, then I ignore it, or the obvious exagggerations and focus on the FACTUAL PARTS.



River. Stop being an idiot. Naruto characters are not FTL, and their feats prove that. So please tell me how this was "never contradicted"? :lol. Funny thing is, you ignored everyone's counterarguments (That you claimed you would trash) in the group and decided to make a thread about it instead, then you come back and start telling me that Totsuka doesn't exert force when it cuts? :lol.

You can't call it obvious hyperbole exaggeration if a light beam is stated to move at the speed of light. Just because it was man made does not make it any less credible.

1. You can't say this shit, because you can't even measure how fast RSM Naruto is compared to BM Naruto. The gap is way too massive and we never got concrete proof. Again, stop comparing Rikudo chars to fodders.

2. I never replied to you, I was PM'd to get an answer on this thread and I stated something. So me replying to you is only happening because you quoted me in the first place. If you agree, then gg man.

No one counter argued except TAC and you, and he posted just two posts dude. Doubt Apex is even in the mood to debate again.

Lmao, why on earth would calling a light beam a light speed attack be retarded when it's stated to be light speed?

:lol

 

[Lord Tywin]

1. Madara wanted to lose VOTE to gain Hashirama cells. And Itachi vs Sasuke. Doesnt change the feats displayed when they fought.

so how is this relevant? Hashirama shits on Madara without Kyuubi. Itachi would have mid diffed Sasuke. Obito would have mid diffed Kakashi if he was serious.

2. Lol dont need to proof you wrong concerning Kamui usage since it completely irrelevant. How are you going to tell me to prove something and not stick to the topic?? SMH. You wanted me to prove why Kabuto speed and reaction surpasses Obito. So I am giving feats that are relevant to determine how speed and reaction goes to Kabuto, against Obito.

Smh Kakashi's eyes improved.

3. Your confuse by your own reason on what you wanted me to address, smh.

Lmao no. You're literally saying just because Kabuto is =<Itachi, he'll be >Obito, when Obito was holding his own against high kage tier opponents.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

so how is this relevant? Hashirama shits on Madara without Kyuubi. Itachi would have mid diffed Sasuke. Obito would have mid diffed Kakashi if he was serious.

Its relevant because you wanted me to proof something base off CQC, reaction, and speed category. These fights, characters had something else in mind then actually winning the battle. Doesn't change their skill and level they presented.

Smh Kakashi's eyes improved.

Eye's improved his physical reaction speed, speed boost, and CQC skills? Prove it.

Lmao no. You're literally saying just because Kabuto is =<Itachi, he'll be >Obito, when Obito was holding his own against high kage tier opponents.

Um no were arguing what you wanted me to addressed not who's overall superior. Stop trying to change the subject. And no Kabuto>> Itachi. But please stay on topic.

 

[Izanamı.]

Pretty sure Manda s0l0s this one too.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Its relevant because you wanted me to proof something base off CQC, reaction, and speed category. These fights, characters had something else in mind then actually winning the battle. Doesn't change their skill and level they presented.

Actually it does. Characters that have every intent of killing their opponent or winning the fight show much more. Obito never gave his all against Kakashi, and that's fact.

Eye's improved his physical reaction speed, speed boost, and CQC skills? Prove it.

He was able to perceive better. For example kid Sasuke at VOTE. He was unable to hang with cloakless kyuubi infuenced Naruto with 2 tomoe. When he got 3 tomoe he was effortlessly dodging and countering Naruto. He had the speed to counter Naruto, but his eyes weren't as perceptive.

Kakashi evolved in war arc as well. He was able to fool Obito with Kamui, and was using Kamui on teleporting objects.

Um no were arguing what you wanted me to addressed not who's overall superior. Stop trying to change the subject. And no Kabuto>> Itachi. But please stay on topic.

No. I was using (><) signs for cqc. You said Kabuto is =<Itachi in cqc, which makes him better than Obito, which is not remotely true.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Actually it does. Characters that have every intent of killing their opponent or winning the fight show much more. Obito never gave his all against Kakashi, and that's fact.

That doesnt mean or disprove anything. Not giving them their all just mean not using all of their jutsu to make sure the character is dead. Doesn't discredit their physical conditions when fighting CQC, reaction, and speed.

He was able to perceive better. For example kid Sasuke at VOTE. He was unable to hang with cloakless kyuubi infuenced Naruto with 2 tomoe. When he got 3 tomoe he was effortlessly dodging and countering Naruto. He had the speed to counter Naruto, but his eyes weren't as perceptive.

Um no, the only reason why Kid Sasuke was able to upgrade was because their were room for his eye's to upgrade and his physical body. Which you have no evidence for Kakashi, through the progression of War Arc. The only thing we seen Kakashi got better was accuracy and stamina boost. Nothing else.

Kakashi evolved in war arc as well. He was able to fool Obito with Kamui, and was using Kamui on teleporting objects.

Addressed.

No. I was using (><) signs for cqc. You said Kabuto is =<Itachi in cqc, which makes him better than Obito, which is not remotely true.

Based on feat it sure is. Take off intangibility then you gonna need proof Obito spanks in that category.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Already stated Sakon Parasite works instant the moment physical contact is made[

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@Bold all you need to do is read what happening in that panel instead of sounding like an idiot for basing your rebuttal by a faulty translation[

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Also he was trying to warp himself and Konan said him warping someone else is much faster than warping himself so that scan doesn't help your case either.(

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).Yes but if Kabuto decides to try and connect their bodies i've already given the proper counter for that so gtfoh. Also once obito warp behide Kabuto you honestly think he's going to have time to turn around and have Sakon touch him? Also Obito don't always have to touch his opponents to warp them as seen

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. also so Obito doesn't even need to touch this fodder to warp him as long as he's close enough it's over for Kabuto who couldn't even best Itachi in cqc. ​

Honestly not going to waste my time with all of this paragraph. Its horsesh*t. But mainly because you think all of the sudden, my argument claims are based on hitting Obito before he goes intangible. My argument clearly talking about warping/teleporting things.

Your not going to waste you time? That sound like you don't have a counter to me so your going to try and rub the arguments off L00l stop. His warping speed still shits on Kabuto's Reaction,Striking speed so it's irrelevant. Bold that's what you call Oral rebirth baby girl know your favorite character.​

Which sakon feats transfers to Kabuto.

@Underline, and that means Sakon dies because?

It means that Obito re-writes him out of his destiny thus he's a dead man gtfoh clown and know logic please. Once again DB logic is flawed asf ill provide multiple examples of such. If Kabuto could disarm the sound 4 from his gut what would be the point in taking the time to do their abilities seperatly when he can use all of them at once for a better chance at success?​

Here it goes again. Repeated arguments thats already been shat on. Shikamaru is irrelevant. Not only is it a coincidence that both Yin Release was able to counter the Genjutsu, but the fact that Tayuya's effect =/= SM boost effect. Even IF I were to consider Shikamaru counter: That still leaves no evidence that ninjutsu can be used to break out at any given moment. If you read the fight, you would know Shikimaru's jutsu was put on halt[

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]) and before the ninjutsu was canceled, Shikimaru took the chance to use his ninjutsu BEFORE it could disappear. Which he then pretended to be stuck the rest of the time.

HOW IN THE HELL WOULD SM INCREASE SOUND GENJUTSU????????? He doesn't need to breakout instantly all he has to do is go intangible thus his body isn't removed to the kamui dimension thus the genjutsu is done for because it has a range and that range will be bypassed. Doesn't matter he used it and once even more bad about that scenario is that he needs to wave hand signs to use shadow possession jutsu while Kamui doesn't. Obito doesn't need to move to use Kamui and he already manage to warp himself while being restrained. .(

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). thus the effects of the genjutsu doesn't cripple the way kamui works simple. ​

So if somehow that means Kamui too, would only mean it slowly removes the use of it. But thats not happening. It gets the same treatment as Sussanoo and every other ninjutsu Uchiha brothers couldn't use.

Lol no Katon isnt countering a omni direction genjutsu.

Already proved that not being able to move your body and being restrained kamui can still be used. Kamui is not Susanoo it doesn't need to focus on maintaining a structure so terrible example. Except for Shikamaru Ninjutsu right? You claimed that only genjutsu can be used but Shikamaru already proved that BS wrong. Considering the size of the katon and the wind force behide kamui would shit on the genjutsu or obito could simply put kabuto inside the Uchiha flame barrier if he tries the sound genjutsu to many options here. But you keep trying to prove you terrible claim and You've yet given a proper counter to how he'll even be able to push Tayuya out of his stomach and get her to blow on the flute before Obito warps up on him and warp him right up.​

Addressed Genjutsu. Everything else is irrelevant and idiotic point making.

No it isn't and i've proved this multiple times. I wish you were Hiddensound or Nattana there much better at debating for Kabuto honestly.​

Addressed. No feats that stops Kabuto when his speed and reaction surpasses Obito by far. Only reason Obito is difficult is because his intangibility is instant.

Kabuto speed and reactions doesn't surpass Obito at all. You claim Obito = Kakashi in cqc when infact Obito lost that battle on purpose to remove the seal Madara put on his heart anyways Kabuto cqc skills puts him on Itachi level who isn't superior to Kakashi in cqc either so gtfoh.

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Manda 2 shield and clones counters Katon. So he can still hide and not ruin the sound.[/QUOTE]

So wait he's going to summon Manda II and then push Tayuya out of his body and then proceed to use genjutsu? Smh the moment the battle starts Obito warps behide him and suck him up thus he won't have time to summon Manda II nor use Tayuya so either way this plan is completely flawed and terrible all around.


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The heart of my arguments is base on jutsus that can only counter Kamui[

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Kabuto does not have clones so their nothing here for Obito to worry about.​

Lmfao. Don't ignore Manga panels.

-Obito's waist is in the other dimension.

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BM Naruto's chakra arm is overlapping.

Not surprised that your going to deny manga scans but sure go again it's not going to help your arguments it's only going to make you seem more like a clown.​

-The panel you decided to ignore shows Obito sinking lower, thus his head gets covered by the chakra arm and he ends up in the other dimension as shown in the 2nd panel.

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Obito didn't sink his head he clearly moved to the side but if you say so i honestly get tired of proving you wrong.​

Then Obito gets punched in the face, and his head jerks to the right, so he did the same in the real world so he wouldn't be overlapping with Naruto's arm anymore.

Actually they happening during the same time you clown not how the manga couldn't make this any simpler.​

Kakashi makes it clear that Obito isn't going transparent. He's actually moving his body parts to the other dimension.

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If there were a way for Obito to go "intangible" without something overlapping his body, you'd see missing pieces of his body, because they have LITERALLY been moved to the other dimension.

When his body is moved to the other dimension he's still very visible and this is been shown multiple times in the manga.​

[/QUOTE]There is no debate here. Please stop trying. You look silly trying to spit on the Manga AND DB at the same time.

Minato used a Kunai strike because that is the only offensive move he has besides Rasengan. If Obito tries to warp him, Kabuto makes a hand sign for Muki Tensei and the whole surrounding area comes to life and either crushes Obito, or forces him to phase through it, and Kabuto can even make the ground under him move him to a position away from Obito as the rest of the earth attacks him.[/QUOTE]

Let's say he couldn't turn intangible at will he still has far to many ways of countering genjutsu via uchiha barrier, Baku rangibu, Juubi size katon etc, Kabuto goes to have time to weave hand signs and touch the ground before Obito warps him dude stop please. Itachi reacted with a susanoo hand blocking Sasuke before he could even get Muki tensei off now he's going to be able to do this before Obito can warp him? L0l.​

 

[Lord Tywin]

That doesnt mean or disprove anything. Not giving them their all just mean not using all of their jutsu to make sure the character is dead. Doesn't discredit their physical conditions when fighting CQC, reaction, and speed.

It really is straightforward. Obito wanting to lose>not going to defeat Kakashi>Not going for killing or defeating>not giving his best>losing to Kakashi.

Um no, the only reason why Kid Sasuke was able to upgrade was because their were room for his eye's to upgrade and his physical body. Which you have no evidence for Kakashi, through the progression of War Arc. The only thing we seen Kakashi got better was accuracy and stamina boost. Nothing else.

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Sasuke had the speed, but wasn't perceptive enough to see Naruto. Nowhere did he talk about his body.
I've said it for the 3rd time now. Kakashi was using Kamui on teleporting objects. That's >>>>Susanoo arrow's speed.
Now show me a speed feat from Kabuto in anything that would make him a problem for Obito.

Based on feat it sure is. Take off intangibility then you gonna need proof Obito spanks in that category.

Why would we take kamui off when it's part of his arsenal? It's not restricted in OP, and we're not going to restrict it here. Obito's whole fighting system is revolved around kamui. It would be like restricting Wood release from Hashirama.

 

[KidGamer65]

Not surprised that your going to deny manga scans but sure go again it's not going to help your arguments it's only going to make you seem more like a clown.​

Considering I literally have to read manga panels to you and your track record on the site, the massive amounts of stupidity I'm seeing in your posts now isn't surprising.

Obito didn't sink his head he clearly moved to the side but if you say so i honestly get tired of proving you wrong.​

Read the Manga.

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Read the Manga. That is Obito, sinking into Naruto's chakra arm, then the next panel clearly shows his head appearing in the other dimension.

Actually they happening during the same time you clown not how the manga couldn't make this any simpler.​

You do know that this proves my point right? That Obito's head was in the other dimension, thus when he got punched to the side, he moved to the side and stopped overlapping with Naruto's arm, thus he reappeared in this dimension.

When his body is moved to the other dimension he's still very visible and this is been shown multiple times in the manga.​

No, it hasn't. Not once.

1. DB disagrees.
2. Manga disagrees.

If you are going to ignore what Kakashi and the Databook said, do me a favor and don't reply. 99% sure that everyone knows how dumb you sound and look.

Ninjutsu, Kekkei Genkai - Kamui
No rank, all ranges, offensive, defensive
Users: Obito Uchiha, Kakashi Hatake

The godly eyes that conquer fate's horizon!! [TN: Epic sentence is epic.]

Coercing into another dimension!!

A dojutsu that transfers objects into the dimension created with the "Mangekyo Sharingan". In proportion to the amount of chakra the user holds, the possibly transferable mass of the target is increased or decreased. A skilled user can also transfer his own body. Furthermore, there's a subtle difference in the powers of the left and right eyes. The left eye hurls distant objects into the dimension by fixating them, the right eye unconsciously makes a body part slip-through by transfering it. Additionally, by having both eyes, "Susanoo" appears and it is possible to apply Kamui's powers to its weapons.

⬆➡ Objects are transfered immediately into the dimension. The distance of the right eye's effect is short. The ability to make the body "slip-through" is the ability of Obito's own right eye.


Translated by Seelentau

What you are saying doesn't even make sense. Kamui warps his body part to the other dimension. His body part can't physically exist in two dimensions. Learn how your lord and savior's abilities work and then get back to me.

Let's say he couldn't turn intangible at will he still has far to many ways of countering genjutsu via uchiha barrier, Baku rangibu, Juubi size katon etc, Kabuto goes to have time to weave hand signs and touch the ground before Obito warps him dude stop please. Itachi reacted with a susanoo hand blocking Sasuke before he could even get Muki tensei off now he's going to be able to do this before Obito can warp him? L0l.​

-Uchiha Barrier blocks sound? :lol
-Katon blocks sound? :lol
-Katon or Barrier will stop Kabuto from playing his flute? :lol

YD. When will your IQ grow past the single digits?

Since when is Obito fast enough to warp behind Kabuto and then touch him before Kabuto can react? I suggest you and all the other Obitards in hiding stop overrating Kamui. Kamui warping fast doesn't mean that Obito himself will be able touch grab his opponent in that amount of time. If Obito warps, Kabuto senses him, uses Muki Tensei and that's good game. Your Itachi point doesn't even work since:

1. Itachi is faster than Obito in speed and reactions going by feats. The only thing Fodder Doritos has over him is Kamui.
2. Susanoo's activation>>>The time it takes for Obito to first warp, reappear behind Kabuto, and then touch him.

 

[Haizaki]

Depends on the Genjutsu..Depends on the fact that Kabuto can release bones from every part of his body possibly stopping a warp.

 

[Jugram Haschwalth]

TRE MERCER you actually wrong about Obito face being in both dimension. The manga can be confusing sometimes but click this

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and you'll see what im getting at here.(Watch from 2:44 to 2:52) so Kidgamer65 is right Kamui is automatic. But that doesn't mean Obito loses this vs match.

Obito wins. Genjutsu is counter via

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not only do they have to emerge from his body but they also need to form themselves. On the plus side once there formed he can switch through them

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. Not only is the genjutsu extremely slow but Itachi and Sasuke were able to have conversation

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and Itachi was able to move his head and even

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. Obito will be able to use Kamui while caught in the genjutsu no doubt about it.

I also want to point out Kabuto's speed and reactions. It's implied that Obito can get from point

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within the time it takes Danzo to kill Sasuke.(Note Danzo hand was about an inch or 2 away from Sasuke's neck). Obito being able to warp up on Kabuto before he uses any of the sound 4 is very possible.

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but only if he's close enough.

#THREAD.

 

[Demonic.]

I suggest you and all the other Obitards in hiding stop overrating Kamui.

Lol. True that.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Also he was trying to warp himself and Konan said him warping someone else is much faster than warping himself so that scan doesn't help your case either.(

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).Yes but if Kabuto decides to try and connect their bodies i've already given the proper counter for that so gtfoh. Also once obito warp behide Kabuto you honestly think he's going to have time to turn around and have Sakon touch him? Also Obito don't always have to touch his opponents to warp them as seen

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. also so Obito doesn't even need to touch this fodder to warp him as long as he's close enough it's over for Kabuto who couldn't even best Itachi in cqc. ​

I fail to see how this doesnt disprove my case. You attempt to prove that his warping speed is faster then light. Thats debunked.

@Bold: um obviously, anyone reading manga would know Kabuto reflexes and sensory far surpass Obito. Add the fact that Sakon covers and protects every portion of his body, and has a snake navel for an extra pair of eye.

@ Underline: Stop ignoring manga to benefit your arguments. Us not seeing Obito's hand (since the hand being block is the hand being use to warp the person/object) doesn't mean he didn't use his hand. Thats how it works [

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]. Exiting Kamui land doesnt carry the same priorities as putting someone in Kamui land (not for Obito's eye).

@Italic: Itachi being able to parry Kabuto isn't close to proving anything. Not when Obito = to Kakashi who Itachi is superior in by speed, reaction, and CQC. Obito can't even blitz Base Kabutomaru.

Your not going to waste you time? That sound like you don't have a counter to me so your going to try and rub the arguments off L00l stop. His warping speed still shits on Kabuto's Reaction,Striking speed so it's irrelevant. Bold that's what you call Oral rebirth baby girl know your favorite character.​

I dont have a counter to something I never denied from manga and is irrelevant to my claims? foh.

Warp speed require to physical contact which Kabuto can react to, so you have no point.

It means that Obito re-writes him out of his destiny thus he's a dead man gtfoh clown and know logic please. Once again DB logic is flawed asf ill provide multiple examples of such. If Kabuto could disarm the sound 4 from his gut what would be the point in taking the time to do their abilities seperatly when he can use all of them at once for a better chance at success?​

Thats not logic, thats call no argument. Being able to re write his destiny doesn't mean Sakon gets wiped out of existence. Except I see nothing that you can argument that DB has a flaw description here. Both of us can use our brain to distinguish when it becomes faulty and when it makes sense.

@Bold not relevant on how Kishimoto wants to utilize it in his manga. DB states how he wants to use it, then thats how he wants to do it. If Kabuto wants to just use the ability without making the clone, then Kishimoto would do it[

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]. Doesn't discredit or disprove anything.

HOW IN THE HELL WOULD SM INCREASE SOUND GENJUTSU????????? He doesn't need to breakout instantly all he has to do is go intangible thus his body isn't removed to the kamui dimension thus the genjutsu is done for because it has a range and that range will be bypassed. Doesn't matter he used it and once even more bad about that scenario is that he needs to wave hand signs to use shadow possession jutsu while Kamui doesn't. Obito doesn't need to move to use Kamui and he already manage to warp himself while being restrained. .(

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). thus the effects of the genjutsu doesn't cripple the way kamui works simple. ​

Lol read the manga, and then you have to ask question that has been answered since forever[

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Lol so your proof is base on physical restraint. When I already debunk how it does more then that? No matter what you said you have no argument. Even retrain types can't be ABC logic otherwise you going to proof why he couldn't against Shadow possession[

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Already proved that not being able to move your body and being restrained kamui can still be used. Kamui is not Susanoo it doesn't need to focus on maintaining a structure so terrible example. Except for Shikamaru Ninjutsu right? You claimed that only genjutsu can be used but Shikamaru already proved that BS wrong. Considering the size of the katon and the wind force behide kamui would shit on the genjutsu or obito could simply put kabuto inside the Uchiha flame barrier if he tries the sound genjutsu to many options here. But you keep trying to prove you terrible claim and You've yet given a proper counter to how he'll even be able to push Tayuya out of his stomach and get her to blow on the flute before Obito warps up on him and warp him right up.​

Maintaining chakra is irrelevant on why he halts ninjutsu. My claim is still valid base on the fact that SM>Tayuya use.

Everything else is a waste of time addressing as you have yet explain why katon beats an onmi directional sound (even though worst case, I stated Manda 2 takes care of that). You have yet explain how a barrier blocks sound.

@Red what there to counter. Base Kabutomaru can escape Obito's movement speed[

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], which Obito needs to move close to warp things.

Kabuto speed and reactions doesn't surpass Obito at all. You claim Obito = Kakashi in cqc when infact Obito lost that battle on purpose to remove the seal Madara put on his heart anyways Kabuto cqc skills puts him on Itachi level who isn't superior to Kakashi in cqc either so gtfoh.​

Addressed why it doesn't discredit their physical conditions when fighting CQC, reaction, and speed. The same can be appliyed to Madara vs Hashirama and Itachi vs Sasuke. Please dont be bring up anything else in that category.

Kakashi = 30% Itachi's speed, reaction, and CQC skill. Deal with it.

So wait he's going to summon Manda II and then push Tayuya out of his body and then proceed to use genjutsu? Smh the moment the battle starts Obito warps behide him and suck him up thus he won't have time to summon Manda II nor use Tayuya so either way this plan is completely flawed and terrible all around.

Um no stop making scenarios that only in your fitting. The battle doesn't start with them an inch away from each other.

Kabuto does not have clones so their nothing here for Obito to worry about.​

Orochimaru does. Manga states Kabuto has become like Orochimaru. DB states, as he has Oro integrated in him, his talents and abilities.​

 

[Brother Numpsay]

It really is straightforward. Obito wanting to lose>not going to defeat Kakashi>Not going for killing or defeating>not giving his best>losing to Kakashi.

Stop repeating yourself. Its not going to make you anymore right. Obito wanted to lose the seal thats it. It doesn't prove his physical condition was lacking. Even then your going to have to prove it without using intangibility as your source of CQC feats.

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Sasuke had the speed, but wasn't perceptive enough to see Naruto. Nowhere did he talk about his body.
I've said it for the 3rd time now. Kakashi was using Kamui on teleporting objects. That's >>>>Susanoo arrow's speed.
Now show me a speed feat from Kabuto in anything that would make him a problem for Obito.

I mention body because he progress in that in part 2 series.

And I told you more times that utilize ninjutsu is irrelevant to the physical conditions such as physical movement and combat speed. Kakashi outright stated my only option was this. Thus options of phyically moving away from it was not possible.

@Bold never made that claim, I only made that claim that Kabuto is faster. Madara can react to Ay too, does that mean Madara is faster then Ay? Stop.

Why would we take kamui off when it's part of his arsenal? It's not restricted in OP, and we're not going to restrict it here. Obito's whole fighting system is revolved around kamui. It would be like restricting Wood release from Hashirama.

Ok thats it, not replying to you anymore. You specifically quoted one part of my claim and specifically wanted me to prove why Kabuto is superior physically in speed movement and reaction. And now your just going off of things irrelevant.

 

[Jugram Haschwalth]

I fail to see how this doesnt disprove my case. You attempt to prove that his warping speed is faster then light. Thats debunked.

@Bold: um obviously, anyone reading manga would know Kabuto reflexes and sensory far surpass Obito. Add the fact that Sakon covers and protects every portion of his body, and has a snake navel for an extra pair of eye.

@ Underline: Stop ignoring manga to benefit your arguments. Us not seeing Obito's hand (since the hand being block is the hand being use to warp the person/object) doesn't mean he didn't use his hand. Thats how it works [

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]. Exiting Kamui land doesnt carry the same priorities as putting someone in Kamui land (not for Obito's eye).

@Italic: Itachi being able to parry Kabuto isn't close to proving anything. Not when Obito = to Kakashi who Itachi is superior in by speed, reaction, and CQC. Obito can't even blitz Base Kabutomaru.





I dont have a counter to something I never denied from manga and is irrelevant to my claims? foh.

Warp speed require to physical contact which Kabuto can react to, so you have no point.




Thats not logic, thats call no argument. Being able to re write his destiny doesn't mean Sakon gets wiped out of existence. Except I see nothing that you can argument that DB has a flaw description here. Both of us can use our brain to distinguish when it becomes faulty and when it makes sense.

@Bold not relevant on how Kishimoto wants to utilize it in his manga. DB states how he wants to use it, then thats how he wants to do it. If Kabuto wants to just use the ability without making the clone, then Kishimoto would do it[

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]. Doesn't discredit or disprove anything.



Lol read the manga, and then you have to ask question that has been answered since forever[

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Lol so your proof is base on physical restraint. When I already debunk how it does more then that? No matter what you said you have no argument. Even retrain types can't be ABC logic otherwise you going to proof why he couldn't against Shadow possession[

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Maintaining chakra is irrelevant on why he halts ninjutsu. My claim is still valid base on the fact that SM>Tayuya use.

Everything else is a waste of time addressing as you have yet explain why katon beats an onmi directional sound (even though worst case, I stated Manda 2 takes care of that). You have yet explain how a barrier blocks sound.

@Red what there to counter. Base Kabutomaru can escape Obito's movement speed[

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Addressed why it doesn't discredit their physical conditions when fighting CQC, reaction, and speed. The same can be appliyed to Madara vs Hashirama and Itachi vs Sasuke. Please dont be bring up anything else in that category.

Kakashi = 30% Itachi's speed, reaction, and CQC skill. Deal with it.



Um no stop making scenarios that only in your fitting. The battle doesn't start with them an inch away from each other.

TRE MERCER you actually wrong about Obito face being in both dimension. The manga can be confusing sometimes but click this

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and you'll see what im getting at here.(Watch from 2:44 to 2:52) so Kidgamer65 is right Kamui is automatic. But that doesn't mean Obito loses this vs match.

Obito wins. Genjutsu is counter via

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. Actually it does take some time for Kabuto to use the

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not only do they have to emerge from his body but they also need to form themselves. On the plus side once there formed he can switch through them

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. Not only is the genjutsu extremely slow but Itachi and Sasuke were able to have conversation

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and Itachi was able to move his head and even

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. Obito will be able to use Kamui while caught in the genjutsu no doubt about it.

I also want to point out Kabuto's speed and reactions. It's implied that Obito can get from point

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within the time it takes Danzo to kill Sasuke.(Note Danzo hand was about an inch or 2 away from Sasuke's neck). Obito being able to warp up on Kabuto before he uses any of the sound 4 is very possible.

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but only if he's close enough.

#THREAD.

Orochimaru does. Manga states Kabuto has become like Orochimaru. DB states, as he has Oro integrated in him, his talents and abilities.

Naruto and Sasuke are like Indra and Ashura does that mean they can do every ability that Indra and Ashura can do? Databook is reliable to a certain degree but what your doing here is taking something out of context to prove your point.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Ok thats it, not replying to you anymore. You specifically quoted one part of my claim and specifically wanted me to prove why Kabuto is superior physically in speed movement and reaction. And now your just going off of things irrelevant.

And you fantastically failed at proving anything.

 

[EZQ]

Kabuto can use 2 thins to beat Obito, but none of them is 100% legit since they're based on supositions.

-Sound genjutsu: If Obito is put under genjutsu, he's not gonna be able to break from it alone, since Itachi (a genjutsu master) and Sasuke (an EMS user) couldn't break from it just by themselves. Of course this is just a suposition, since there's no way to know if Sasuke or Itachi could've done the same thing Shikamaru did (to hurt themselves) to break from it. Since this is a SM enhaced genjutsu, there's no way to know if that'd work.

-White rage: If Obito is caught in white rage, the high vibration of the sound and the light would stop him from using intangibility, allowing Kabuto to land the final blow. Sasuke couldn't keep up Susano under those circumstances, so there's a reason to believe that Obito couldn't keep intangibility under the same circumstances (of course, this is another suposition)

If none of those work, then Kabuto is screwed.