Team 1 vs Team 2, who wins? Please discuss

Team 1 vs Team 2

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Thundergod123

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You guys can see the Team members below.

Location: An open area

Restrictions: Edo Tensei and Hashirama's cells

Knowledge: Full intel for both Teams

Battle intent: Win


- Each Team has 4 members.

- NO fanboying

- Remember, this is teamwork

- Also, do not hate one character

- Please vote


Team 1:
1. Naruto RSM

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2. SM Hashirama

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3. Minato BM/KCM/SM

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4. Healthy 8th Gate Guy (with Kurama's power)

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Team 2:
1. Rikudo Madara (1 eyed Rinnegan) His Chibaku Tensei is restricted

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2. Rinnegan Sasuke (NO Tailed Beast)

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3. Nagato

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4. Obito without Juubi (Double Kamui)

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Please state your opinion, and give us a reason why this Team wins.
 
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Is this a joke? Team 2 of course.

You put 3 Rikudo characters in team 2 and only one in team 1.

Hashirama, Minato and Gai are fodder here. Juubito can take out all of team 1 minus naruto.
 

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Is this a joke? Team 2 of course.

You put 3 Rikudo characters in team 2 and only one in team 1.

Hashirama, Minato and Gai are fodder here. Juubito can take out all of team 1 minus naruto.

You didn't read, this is base Obito.
 

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You didn't read, this is base Obito.

My mistake. Team 2 still win. Base Obito with double ms still has rikudo chakra remember. And you still have rikudo sasuke and rikudo madara. Apart from naruto, the rest of the team are still non factors.
 

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My mistake. Team 2 still win. Base Obito with double ms still has rikudo chakra remember. And you still have rikudo sasuke and rikudo madara. Apart from naruto, the rest of the team are still non factors.

No problem...

True that he has some of Rikudo's power, but his Rikudo powers still got restricted. This is base Obito without Hashirama's cells and Juubi.

Please vote, and I assume you go for Team 2.
 
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No problem...

True that he has some of Rikudo's power, but his Rikduo powers still got restricted. This is base Obito without Hashirama's cells and Juubi.
Tactically team 1 may have a chance. Gai can take on Juudara while minato supports and potects gai from truth seeker balls.

Naruto can take on Sasuke

While Hashirama stomps Nagato.

The problem is still Obito. Only Minato and Naruto can take him on, but if Minato is supporting Gai, he cant really deal with Obito, and Sasuke will keep Naruto busy. Doubt minato shadow clones can fend off against Obito for long. And naruto dividing his chakra against sasuke isn't smart at all.

So i still say team 2.
 

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Tactically team 1 may have a chance. Gai can take on Juudara while minato supports and potects gai from truth seeker balls.

Naruto can take on Sasuke

While Hashirama stomps Nagato.

The problem is still Obito. Only Minato and Naruto can take him on, but if Minato is supporting Gai, he cant really deal with Obito, and Sasuke will keep Naruto busy. Doubt minato shadow clones can fend off against Obito for long. And naruto dividing his chakra against sasuke isn't smart at all.

So i still say team 2.

From your signature below, it looks like you mean almost exactly the same thing when Minato supported Guy from Madara's Truth Seeking Ball, however it doesn't mean Minato has to defend Guy, and remember the one who will interrupt most of Team 1 is Sasuke because of his battle tactic.
Madara will battle Hashirama for sure.

The reason why I made this post was because all of them have their own strength and I put up this work to see for myself which one can battle one after another. According to Team battle, I put most emphasis on Teamwork, and not just individually.

But I see your point, and Team 1 may have a chance, but the question is how can Obito send Minato to Kamui dimension despite seeing FTG > Kamui?
Don't say Sasuke can counter Minato because of his Amenotejikara. Why am I saying this? Well, that's because Minato can scatter more than 10 kunais around the battlefield which Sasuke has to choose one of Minato's kunais to switch places when Minato teleports before him. So, Sasuke is rather useless against FTG for the moment. Both of the techniques are said to be equally instant, and we cannot deny it.

Minato is the key here, and without him we know Team 1 will definitely lose because of Obito. Adding another character instead of Minato won't solve anything. For an example, we cannot put Double Kamui Kakashi or neither Kaguya.

Nagato will use Chibaku Tensei, but here again Naruto will stop it and cause Nagato a lot of chakra to withstand Team 1 attacks.

The only problem with Team 2 is that they have a lack of Teamwork compared to Team 1.
 
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^^

Hashirama cannot do anything to Madara, so it's pointless. Same Hashirama that admitted being weaker than brainless v1 juubito. Hashirama is better of facing Nagato. One thing i forget to mention was naruto and minato handing out chakra cloaks. That should greatly boost the 8 gates (in which case Gai might actually win this time, as long as minato is there to support).

Sasuke has rikudo chakra, minato cannot match Sasukes Amenotejikara with ftg. Sasukes eyes have precognition on some next level. Unless sasuke gets marked, minato cant do anything to sasuke. If he goes against sasuke, he's done.

I know you said this is about team work. Hence why i matched up all of team 1 members against opponents which are most suited for them. Naruto is the best opponent for Sasuke, and thats who naruto will be focused on anyway, likewise will Sasuke be mostly interested in naruto. Madara will have to get past Gai in order to reach Hashirama. Minato will hand out kunai to each of his team mates for extra support. Nagato will most likely be the first to die, since a sage Hashirama enhanced with nine tails cloak will neg him. Gai will die next becuase he cant last long. However with the support of kcm minato (i think a clone of minato is enough support), In addition to having a chakra cloak, Gai should win against Madara.

So I guess Bm Minato can and with Sage Hashirama have more than enough against against obito. This is all assuming everything team 1 does goes according to plan, then yeah they can win. I havent really thought of about team 2s counters yet. However now at I think about it, Team 1 can perhaps take this.
 

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If this is Gadien Sasuke team two wins with no problem.

Naruto and Sasuke canceled eachother out. Madara can destroy the rest with a little out from Obito while Nagato set back and enjoy his popcorn.
 

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Hashirama cannot do anything to Madara, so it's pointless. Same Hashirama that admitted being weaker than brainless v1 juubito. Hashirama is better of facing Nagato. One thing i forget to mention was naruto and minato handing out chakra cloaks. That should greatly boost the 8 gates (in which case Gai might actually win this time, as long as minato is there to support).

Sasuke has rikudo chakra, minato cannot match Sasukes Amenotejikara with ftg. Sasukes eyes have precognition on some next level. Unless sasuke gets marked, minato cant do anything to sasuke. If he goes against sasuke, he's done.

I know you said this is about team work. Hence why i matched up all of team 1 members against opponents which are most suited for them. Naruto is the best opponent for Sasuke, and thats who naruto will be focused on anyway, likewise will Sasuke be mostly interested in naruto. Madara will have to get past Gai in order to reach Hashirama. Minato will hand out kunai to each of his team mates for extra support. Nagato will most likely be the first to die, since a sage Hashirama enhanced with nine tails cloak will neg him. Gai will die next becuase he cant last long. However with the support of kcm minato (i think a clone of minato is enough support), In addition to having a chakra cloak, Gai should win against Madara.

So I guess Bm Minato can and with Sage Hashirama have more than enough against against obito. This is all assuming everything team 1 does goes according to plan, then yeah they can win. I havent really thought of about team 2s counters yet. However now at I think about it, Team 1 can perhaps take this.

Most of the points that you said are mangafacts, and I cannot deny that. I agree with your points about Rikudo Madara beating Hashirama, and I always knew Hashirama would have lost to him anyway (Rikudo).

However, when you said Juubito being stronger than Hashirama was true, even though it is same saying Hashirama stated Itachi was a "better" shinobi than him, but it doesn't mean Itachi can beat Hashirama in a fight.
Also, Hashirama didn't fought against Juubito but got interrupted by Madara, so this excuse is irrelevant.

I think you need to read my comment earlier. I didn't said Minato vs Sasuke, so this is not according to this post. You can't deny FTG and Amenotejikara are both instant, and both of techs have their own strength and weakness (I think you know the limits well, so no need to explain here).
The thing about Sasuke is that he can control other subjects around him within 200m range around the field, and Minato won't be teleporting so easily, but this is also not a bashing thread. Minato was said to highly sense and know his opponents well. Sasuke cannot tell which kunais Minato will teleport to. Once Minato starts getting out of his range, he can analyze Sasuke's Rinnegan.
Most of Minato's attacks cannot harm Sasuke's Perfect Susanoo, and if Minato wants to remove Sasuke from it, then he really need to plan out his strategies. Minato was the one who made the plan about Truth Seeking Ball's weakness.

You also forgot about Naruto's regenerating + healing ability and Hashirama's instant healing. If you give those powers for both Minato and Guy this will be interesting. Sasuke has none of them, so it is a huge factor here. Once Guy or Naruto are able to damage Sasuke, then he is doomed. So it is pointless arguing about Rikudo's chakra.
 
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If this is Gadien Sasuke team two wins with no problem.

Naruto and Sasuke canceled eachother out. Madara can destroy the rest with a little out from Obito while Nagato set back and enjoy his popcorn.

This is from the War Arc.
 

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Most of the points that you said are mangafacts, and I cannot deny that. I agree with your points about Rikudo Madara beating Hashirama, and I always knew Hashirama would have lost to him anyway (Rikudo).

However, when you said Juubito being stronger than Hashirama was true, even though it is same saying Hashirama stated Itachi was a "better" shinobi than him, but it doesn't mean Itachi can beat Hashirama in a fight.
Also, Hashirama didn't fought against Juubito but got interrupted by Madara, so this excuse is irrelevant.

I think you need to read my comment earlier. I didn't said Minato vs Sasuke, so this is not according to this post. You can't deny FTG and Amenotejikara are both instant, and both of techs have their own strength and weakness (I think you know the limits well, so no need to explain here).
The thing about Sasuke is that he can control other subjects around him within 200m range around the field, and Minato won't be teleporting so easily, but this is also not a bashing thread. Minato was said to highly sense and know his opponents well. Sasuke cannot tell which kunais Minato will teleport to. Once Minato starts getting out of his range, he can analyze Sasuke's Rinnegan.
Most of Minato's attacks cannot harm Sasuke's Perfect Susanoo, and if Minato wants to remove Sasuke from it, then he really need to plan out his strategies. Minato was the one who made the plan about Truth Seeking Ball's weakness.

You also forgot about Naruto's regenerating + healing ability and Hashirama's instant healing. If you give those powers for both Minato and Guy this will be interesting. Sasuke has none of them, so it is a huge factor here. Once Guy or Naruto are able to damage Sasuke, then he is doomed. So it is pointless arguing about Rikudo's chakra.
Being a better shinobi than someone doesnt mean you are stronger than them. Hashirama was merely stating that As a ninja, itachi has more resolve than himself. On the other hand, Hashirama down right stated juubito is stronger. Hiruzen also said it was true. Hashirama is a fly compared to Juudara. Hashirama never said itachi was stronger than him. Hashirama got interrupted by Madara and madara managed to impale hashirama with several black rods to stop Hashirama moving. So if hashirama can barely beat madara, he will get annihilated by juubito, let alone Juudara.

Dude, everyone will agree that Rikudo Sasuke will completely wrecks Minato. Ameno is more dangerous in combat than FTG is. Its not just about being instant, the striking speed comes into play as well, and with rikudo chakra and sasukes eye precognition, minato is a sitting duck. Nothing more I really care to say on this matter. You dont seem to get that BM Minato is nothing compared to Rkudo Sasuke.

Not sure what naruto regeneration you are talking about, all I know is naruto heals faster than most people. But thats not really a factor here. No amount of healing will fix what Juudara or Sasuke does to Hashirama, so thats not important either. Ahainst Nagato, healing isnt even needed, nagato wont be much problem either. Maybe against Obito it will.

Heres how I see the fight going, the teams all split up:

- Naruto vs Sasuke ---> without the bijuu naruto should win
- Gai (with minato clone as support) vs Madara ---> Gai with a chakra cloak and minato support should win. Limbo is the only issue (which a single naruto clone can deal with, since 1 eyed madara can only make one limbo clone)
- Hashirama vs Nagato (Hashirama wrecks)
- BM Minato (perhaps some Hashi wood clones as back up) vs Obito (dont know how long obito can maintain susanoo. Ftg still faster than kamui, so minato still has the upper hand here. Once Hashirama is done with nagato, he can fully support here, in which case Obito is done).
 

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Being a better shinobi than someone doesnt mean you are stronger than them. Hashirama was merely stating that As a ninja, itachi has more resolve than himself. On the other hand, Hashirama down right stated juubito is stronger. Hiruzen also said it was true. Hashirama is a fly compared to Juudara. Hashirama never said itachi was stronger than him. Hashirama got interrupted by Madara and madara managed to impale hashirama with several black rods to stop Hashirama moving. So if hashirama can barely beat madara, he will get annihilated by juubito, let alone Juudara.

Dude, everyone will agree that Rikudo Sasuke will completely wrecks Minato. Ameno is more dangerous in combat than FTG is. Its not just about being instant, the striking speed comes into play as well, and with rikudo chakra and sasukes eye precognition, minato is a sitting duck. Nothing more I really care to say on this matter. You dont seem to get that BM Minato is nothing compared to Rkudo Sasuke.

Not sure what naruto regeneration you are talking about, all I know is naruto heals faster than most people. But thats not really a factor here. No amount of healing will fix what Juudara or Sasuke does to Hashirama, so thats not important either. Ahainst Nagato, healing isnt even needed, nagato wont be much problem either. Maybe against Obito it will.

Heres how I see the fight going, the teams all split up:

- Naruto vs Sasuke ---> without the bijuu naruto should win
- Gai (with minato clone as support) vs Madara ---> Gai with a chakra cloak and minato support should win. Limbo is the only issue (which a single naruto clone can deal with, since 1 eyed madara can only make one limbo clone)
- Hashirama vs Nagato (Hashirama wrecks)
- BM Minato (perhaps some Hashi wood clones as back up) vs Obito (dont know how long obito can maintain susanoo. Ftg still faster than kamui, so minato still has the upper hand here. Once Hashirama is done with nagato, he can fully support here, in which case Obito is done).

I think you are repeating about Hashirama and Itachi about what I said earlier, so no need to explain things here.

I said it to you earlier, Minato can never take down Sasuke, but all I said was FTG and Amenotejikara comparison. Each of this techs has a weakness, and even all people here agree with Itachi's previous words.

Amenotejikara's weakness is the range limit which cannot be used.

FTG has no weakness, excpetion of the user itself. If Minato performs FTG, no one will be able to catch him, however once he starts attacking Sasuke, he will get countered because his attacks aren't that fast, and yes Rikudo Sasuke can actually take everyone except for Naruto. The only factor Sasuke is still missing are regenerating and healing, and once Guy starts damage Sasuke, he won't maintain for so long. 1 hit from Guy is enough to kill Sasuke for good, nuff said.

Once the fight starts Minato gives everyone one FTG kunai for backup and Naruto gives the others his chakra. That is a huge factor, and enough to withstand Sasuke and Madara's attacks.

I think you are underestimating Nagato here, and Hashirama can beat him, but it doesn't mean he can stomp Nagato.
 

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No Hashi cells? Obito loses much of its power then :)

Naruto>/=Sasuke
Hashirama>Nagato
Minato>Obito
Madara (that fight seriously this time)>Gai

Duel unpredictable, I'm for the first group, but it could end in a draw.
 

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Team 2 wins. Gai fighting Madara won't go his way this time via he'll have his orbs and Limbo rips him to pieces.
 

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Half of T1 is complete trash, everyone on T2 can oneshot them (bar Nagato) with utmost ease. DMS Obito takes on Gai, and the final outcome depends on which version of Sasuke and Naruto we are talking about. If Current, Naruto stands no chance considering it comes down to a stalemate and then JJ Madara rapes him. If P2 i'd say it depends on how can Sasuke and Madara cooperate. I'm of the opinion that Madara could fuel Sasuke's PS with his Rikudou Senjutsu, but it's baseless.
 

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Team 1 obviously shits. 1 eyed Madara can't do a thing to Naruto, neither can Sasuke w/o the Bijuu due to Naruto's Avatar clones and his Ashura Avatar. Hashirama would obliterate Nagato, and Minato would beat on Obito.
 

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Team 2 wins. Gai fighting Madara won't go his way this time via he'll have his orbs and Limbo rips him to pieces.

You did not paid attention to this post, why? Because this is teamwork and this time Naruto is there. Healthy Guy with Kuram cloak beats Madara, but I'm sorry Guy will win against him for sure. The reason why Madara loses is because Team 2 have a lack of teamwork something that is a huge factor in this fight.

Last time Madara took hits from Guy was because he couldn't avoid it since Guy was too fast. Even if Madara used jutsus, Guy would have dodged all of them and speeblitz Madara. Limbo is irrelevant, because it will not catch Guy's movements anyway.
 
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