[VS] Orochimru vs MS Sasuke

[Rιver]

^Hyperbolised to be light speed. Also, I don't see the correlation between light speed and lightning speed.

1. You need proof for this or Databook remains superior to your words.

2. No one is correlating them with each other, what I am saying is we got way past lightning speed so Itachi reacting to it is nothing new.

 

[Apêx1]

1. You need proof for this or Databook remains superior to your words.

2. No one is correlating them with each other, what I am saying is we got way past lightning speed so Itachi reacting to it is nothing new.

Because Naruto cannot react to the speed of light from point blank (or any range for that matter). Is that enough proof for your dumb ass?

 

[Rιver]

Because Naruto cannot react to the speed of light from point blank (or any range for that matter). Is that enough proof for your dumb ass?

Based on what?

 

[Apêx1]

Based on what?

Based on me having a brain.

 

[Rιver]

Based on me having a brain.

Ok I take it as you have no proof then.

 

[Apêx1]

Ok I take it as you have no proof then.

Sasuke hit Naruto with his Ameno>Chidori even though his striking speed is far below sub-relativistic. Is that enough proof for you?

 

[Rιver]

Sasuke hit Naruto with his Ameno>Chidori even though his striking speed is far below sub-relativistic. Is that enough proof for you?

Again... there is no such thing as sub-relativistic.

And? It's practically been proven that Rikudo characters are light speed.

You also need proof why Sasuke wouldn't be light speed or near it either.

All of this is based on preconceived notions... when you have concrete evidence (like I do), then we can talk.

 

[NarutoX28]

It actually hasn't been proven that Rikudou Characters move at the speed of light.

 

[Apêx1]

Again... there is no such thing as sub-relativistic.

And? It's practically been proven that Rikudo characters are light speed.

You also need proof why Sasuke wouldn't be light speed or near it either.

All of this is based on preconceived notions... when you have concrete evidence (like I do), then we can talk.

Based on obeying DB Light speed:
1. Kakashi has LS reactions after reacting to DB confirmed Water Bullet
2. Samurai 'Flash' is LS. Nice.
3. Haku travels with the mirror's reflection and sees other people at slow motion meaning she's close to LS, or at it.

Nice LS bro. L0l

 

[Rιver]

It actually hasn't been proven that Rikudou Characters move at the speed of light.

What else than literal statement of light speed do you need?

@Apex: those examples are flawed dude.

 

[solorflare99]

Yo guyz , he can't be reasoned with.
He thinks that because a person evaded someone else, automatically means they are superior to the one who attacked. Not counter attacked or anything too note worthy, but simply evading makes one better then the other.

 

[KidGamer65]

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Where do you see him swap? :lol. It was a clone the whole time.

And that's why after Kirin he used Skeletal one first only to turn it into Complete a few seconds later? Not to mention that back then it took like 3-4 panels for it to transform. I'll blame it on his bad condition which affected his chakra control that he started with Skeletal Susano'o (can't find better explanation).

He didn't use Skeletal until he got back up, so the first sentence is an irrelevant question. Not sure how the rest applies here.

Not to mention it was never stated, nor even implied Itachi used Yata to tank Kirin. Had he used Yata, he wouldn't have to re-activate his Susano'o, because it would've still been there. And if Kirin destroyed Yata, then how in the world did he use it again, later on? You make completely no sense.

Lmfao. Read before you reply, cause you sound mighty foolish here. I specifically stated that Kirin DID NOT break Yata. Smh.

Most likely, but you cannot judge it based only on the fact that a spiritual weapon managed to cut its heads. Can you precisely explain how a spiritual weapon works? I bet you cannot.

There is nothing to judge. Totsuka hasn't shown jack that'd make it stronger than Kirin, thus Oro getting fodderized by it isn't evidence that he can survive Kirin. It being a spirit weapon isn't an excuse for you to toss all logic out of the window so you can wank your fav.

Didn't take the full blast? Of course it did, because it's not like the explosion takes time to deal its full damage. There's a shockwave and a heat blast. They are released during the explosion and whatever comes in their way gets full damage. You can't tank half the explosion or a quarter.

If you are only in an explosion for a fraction of the time the explosion is occurring, the damage you take is decreased.

And C0 managed to create craters even at the very end of its AoE. It's obviously WAY stronger than Kirin and it doesn't matter if Kirin is concentrated or not, because the shock and heat waves released during explosion deal the almost the same damage in every single affected point. Yet Manda tanked it and died only to the after effects.

1. Let's not talk about craters when C0's crater was pathetic for an explosion it's size.

The rest isn't worth addressing since it shows how little you know when it comes to physics. What you are saying isn't even relevant. It dealing equal damage in every point doesn't change the fact that it'd be stronger if it were concentrated, nor does it change the fact that concentrated attacks don't need to be anywhere near as powerful to get past defenses in comparison to attacks that aren't concentrated.

Also, Orochimaru is the 8branches. So 'killing' that Orochimaru figure that manifested from Hydra isn't going to do shit. Not when it already tanked lethal wounds and laughed at them and not when 8branches was confirmed to be regeneration itself.

:lol Your posts are making my eyes bleed. What lethal wound are you talking about? Oh wait, getting it's heads severed by a sword. :lol Why in the hell would that be lethal when OROCHIMARU IS THE CENTER of the transformation? He was unharmed, thus the hydra was able to survive.

The rest is irrelevant nonsense without any proof behind it. Vaporizing Orochimaru along with the majority of his hydra=GG.

 

[Nattana]

Where do you see him swap? :lol. It was a clone the whole time.

Ehh... If that's how you analyze manga scans in order to form your arguments, then I'm not surprised you sprout so much bs.

>Anko stabs Orochimaru with Kunai
>Anko tries to use Twin Snakes Mutual Death
>Orochimaru notices that and switches places with a Shadow Clone
>Clone disappears
>Orochimaru is shown with the exact Kunai wound on his hand

He didn't use Skeletal until he got back up, so the first sentence is an irrelevant question. Not sure how the rest applies here.

Lmfao. Read before you reply, cause you sound mighty foolish here. I specifically stated that Kirin DID NOT break Yata. Smh.

And? So why would Itachi deactivate Susano'o after he tanked Kirin with it, only to reuse his Susano'o a few seconds later? If Kirin didn't break Yata, then it means Susano'o tanked it. And if it tanked it, then there was no reason for Itachi to have landed on the ground without Susano'o active.

The only reasonable explanation is Itachi used his weakest Susano'o which got destroyed by Kirin, but still provided enough defense to make Itachi only collapse on the ground.

If you are only in an explosion for a fraction of the time the explosion is occurring, the damage you take is decreased.

And that is why Manda was summoned on its back, with burn wounds all over its body? Manda must've taken full shockwave and the heat wave that occurs after it.

1. Let's not talk about craters when C0's crater was pathetic for an explosion it's size.

It doesn't matter if the crater was this or that. All that matters is the crater depth was consistant throughout the whole C0 AoE. Not to mention that Sasuke couldnt've ran far away from Deidara. He was way closer to the center of the explosion than to the outer ring. Still Manda didn't even have ANY external wounds.

The rest isn't worth addressing since it shows how little you know when it comes to physics. What you are saying isn't even relevant. It dealing equal damage in every point doesn't change the fact that it'd be stronger if it were concentrated, nor does it change the fact that concentrated attacks don't need to be anywhere near as powerful to get past defenses in comparison to attacks that aren't concentrated.

Lol, so C0 isn't concentrated? Your logic is flawed because you consider Kirin a concentrated attack and C0 a AoE attack, when it's like both are AoE, except Kirin's AoE is smaller and overall it's much weaker.

Obviously if someone was hit by C0 in its very center the outcome would be much more devastating, but it doesn't change the fact that C0 vaporized EVERYTHING in its radius, while Manda survived it with no external wounds whatsoever. And Kirin didn't vaporize shit - only crushed some walls of Uchiha Hideout.

:lol Your posts are making my eyes bleed. What lethal wound are you talking about? Oh wait, getting it's heads severed by a sword. :lol Why in the hell would that be lethal when OROCHIMARU IS THE CENTER of the transformation? He was unharmed, thus the hydra was able to survive.

The rest is irrelevant nonsense without any proof behind it. Vaporizing Orochimaru along with the majority of his hydra=GG.

Vaporizing Orochimaru? This is bullshit, especially when you can't compare the effect on inanimate objects to effects jutsu have on humans. Example? Base Gai with one punch breaks through walls, but 7Gate Gai can't even punch a hole in Kisame's body. Tsunade's punches destroy walls and break the ground, yet Orochimaru tanks them with no wounds whatsoever.

Not to mention that Oro's 8branches would get much stronger than what we've seen during his fight with Itachi, considering that minutes after possessing Hashi DNA body, he managed to use his cells to make his Shadow Snakes several times bigger.

Also, there's no way Sasuke could fight more than one Hydra simultaneously, and we both know that Parasite/Shadow clones could easily transform themselves too.

What is more, you make it sound as if Sasuke will be using Kirin so easily here. Which is funny, because Orochimaru isn't going to be watching Sasuke use it. 8branches, on the contrary to popular belief, isn't immobile. I wonder if Sasuke would use Kirin if Orochimaru was constantly pressuring him in close range.

Sasuke has no counter to Spores immobilization + Kusanagi snipe, too.

 

[KidGamer65]

Ehh... If that's how you analyze manga scans in order to form your arguments, then I'm not surprised you sprout so much bs.

>Anko stabs Orochimaru with Kunai
>Anko tries to use Twin Snakes Mutual Death
>Orochimaru notices that and switches places with a Shadow Clone
>Clone disappears
>Orochimaru is shown with the exact Kunai wound on his hand

Smh. Not going to bother since this is irrelevant towards the outcome of the fight.

And? So why would Itachi deactivate Susano'o after he tanked Kirin with it, only to reuse his Susano'o a few seconds later? If Kirin didn't break Yata, then it means Susano'o tanked it. And if it tanked it, then there was no reason for Itachi to have landed on the ground without Susano'o active.

The only reasonable explanation is Itachi used his weakest Susano'o which got destroyed by Kirin, but still provided enough defense to make Itachi only collapse on the ground.

You do realize that you, once again, make zero sense right? :lol

1. Susanoo didn't tank Kirin. Kirin obliterated his Susanoo and knocked Itachi to the ground, but he survived due to the Susanoo soaking up most of the damage. So the bold makes no sense.

2. Why mention that Kirin didn't break Yata when Yata wasn't used? How does Yata not broken mean that Susanoo was tanked when Yata wasn't even used? This only shows that you didn't read my initial post. Now you are attempting to confuse us both with this nonsense.

V3 was used. V3 has no Yata. V3 was obliterated. Itachi survived. It doesn't get any simpler than that.

And that is why Manda was summoned on its back, with burn wounds all over its body? Manda must've taken full shockwave and the heat wave that occurs after it.

What in the world are you talking about? The heat of the explosion is received by the target when the explosion hits them.

It doesn't matter if the crater was this or that. All that matters is the crater depth was consistant throughout the whole C0 AoE. Not to mention that Sasuke couldnt've ran far away from Deidara. He was way closer to the center of the explosion than to the outer ring. Still Manda didn't even have ANY external wounds.

Once again. What you are saying makes literally no sense. "Consistent throughout the whole crater" means nothing when all explosions work like that. One side of the crater isn't going to be deeper in one spot of the crater for any type of reason. Please google "pressure physics" and read. Not to mention I have literally no idea why you assume that Sasuke must've run away when Sasuke summoned Manda and teleported away using Reverse Summoning. :lol

No external wounds? He was covered in what appear to be burn markings. Those are external wounds.

Lol, so C0 isn't concentrated? Your logic is flawed because you consider Kirin a concentrated attack and C0 a AoE attack, when it's like both are AoE, except Kirin's AoE is smaller and overall it's much weaker.

I advise you to take a physics class, or read up on pressure before we continue this discussion. C0's explosion is larger than Bijuu Dama, yet Bijuu Dama will always make a bigger crater. Because C0 is not concentrated, not more concentrated then Kirin anyway.

Obviously if someone was hit by C0 in its very center the outcome would be much more devastating, but it doesn't change the fact that C0 vaporized EVERYTHING in its radius, while Manda survived it with no external wounds whatsoever. And Kirin didn't vaporize shit - only crushed some walls of Uchiha Hideout.

You do realize that if we look at their power like this, C0 becomes much weaker than Kirin because Kirin's feat is obliterating a Mountain. C0 killed Manda and vaporized some trees. :lol Stop using shit comparisons to prove your point, cause all you are doing is proving the opposite.

Vaporizing Orochimaru? This is bullshit, especially when you can't compare the effect on inanimate objects to effects jutsu have on humans. Example? Base Gai with one punch breaks through walls, but 7Gate Gai can't even punch a hole in Kisame's body. Tsunade's punches destroy walls and break the ground, yet Orochimaru tanks them with no wounds whatsoever.

It's a lightning strike. That's how I know it will vaporize his body, or at least obliterate it. Or fry his insides completely. Stop using punches as an example. Terrible ass comparison.

Not to mention that Oro's 8branches would get much stronger than what we've seen during his fight with Itachi, considering that minutes after possessing Hashi DNA body, he managed to use his cells to make his Shadow Snakes several times bigger.

Baseless assumption. Hashirama's DNA has never boosted the scale of jutsu. No reason to assume that Orochimaru's are boosted.

Also, there's no way Sasuke could fight more than one Hydra simultaneously, and we both know that Parasite/Shadow clones could easily transform themselves too.

I'm gonna wait for someone to actually prove that Zetsu parasite clones=Zetsu original and that Oro parasite clones=Oro original. Shadow clones aren't doing jack since he has to split his chakra in half, and even if he could, at most he'd be able to use 2, and Kirin would obliterate them both as I've yet to see a shred of valid evidence that Orochimaru can tank something Itachi's V3 Susanoo couldn't.

What is more, you make it sound as if Sasuke will be using Kirin so easily here. Which is funny, because Orochimaru isn't going to be watching Sasuke use it. 8branches, on the contrary to popular belief, isn't immobile. I wonder if Sasuke would use Kirin if Orochimaru was constantly pressuring him in close range.

Orochimaru can't even hurt Sasuke let alone stop him from using Kirin. 8 branches being immobile or not pretty much means jack here. If Orochimaru foolishly gets into CQC with Sasuke, V4 Susanoo forms a blade from the Enton Orb and cuts off all his heads just like Itachi did, then Enton Blade pierces Orochimaru right through his chest and he lights on fire from the inside out.

Then the flame powers Kirin. Sasuke uses a Katon, and Orochimaru dies.

Sasuke has no counter to Spores immobilization + Kusanagi snipe, too.

Kusanagi can't get past Susanoo. So there is no reason for him to have to actively block it. Not to mention Amaterasu would burn the spores away once they became active and started absorbing his chakra.