Dude. Look at the scan again Hachibi questions it because he forgot. We know what happened, it wasnt TBB, so if he had tried tbb before hand than Hachibi would have remembered it not working.
He questions it as all he could remember was them holding both their jutsu when both collapsed, so he wasn't sure whether or not the Bijuudama defeated him or not.
Cutting through the 3rd like butter means nothing when he himself is not more durable then V4 susanoo moot point is null. I would not call it tanked plus the FRS from KCM naruto was used by a clone not to mention kcm does not add as big of boost you think it does when a Sage mode FRS is much stronger, It was not tanked considering his armor was blown off and they're were edo flakes meaning if he was alive it would have atleast broke the skin.
Yes. He is at least as durable as V4 Susanoo if not more durable.
Yes. He did tank FRS. The edo FLAKE shown is completely irrelevant not only because it only indicates minor/superficial damage but because Edo bodies are weaker than their alive forms. Example being how 6th Gate Lee with Kyubi cloak was able to cut Edo Madara in half with a kick [
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No. Being FRS from a clone is irrelevant. A single Rasenshuriken requires nowhere near the clone's full chakra so the total amount of chakra that clone has is irrelevant. I don't know where you got the idea that a clone's justu is always weaker than an original's jutsu. Rasengans from his clones are as powerful as rasengans from the original, no different with Rasenshuriken.
KCM does give a large boost, just like the Kyubi's chakra has given a boost to anyone who ever received a Kyubi cloak, or every time Naruto uses cloaked modes.
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Kakashi went from struggling to warp away an explosion to being able to warp the Hachibi with kamui after receiving a Kyubi cloak. He states kamui got at least three times as powerful.
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And all these examples are only from receiving a V1 Jin cloak. KCM cloak is much stronger than that considering it contains much much more of Kurama's chakra.
Child please i already explained how the v4 armor is larger and thicker then a v3 susanoo as a whole 2 FRS is not destroying a V4 susanoo try again 1 first one would most likely crack the armor all up the 2nd one destroys it leaving a v3 susanoo completely unscaved underneath when i said equals to v3 not seperate but combined. 2 FRS would have destroyed the raikage 1 already knocked edo flakes off him with his armor another one in succession destroys his ass easily.
I'll wait for proof for the bold, and how that applies to Susanoo being able to tank Nukite. You only showed that V4 armour is bigger and thicker. Bigger in size means very little when Nukite isn't supposed to destroy the whole thing, it only needs to pierce through Susanoo in one place and go through Susanoo.
-FRS's power+Elemental advantage=able to knock off armour from Third Raikage.
-Nukite=able to cut through Third Raikage no diff.
-FRS's power without Elemental advantage=not able to even knock of raiton shroud while Nukite STILL was able to cut through the Third Raikage, even in his much more durable alive form.
Now we have FRS being able to completely destroy V3 Susanoo. Focus all of FRS's power into one single point instead of a big explosion, and Nukite is still stronger. If you truly think it takes 2 FRS to destroy V4 Susanoo armour, then it should take only one FRS to cut through it if all that power is completely focused in one point. So once Nukite tears through the V4 Susanoo armour, it pierces through the V3 underneath that like butter.
This is where you lost me 50 Kurama inside Naruto's head is much weaker then when he actually is in the real world Gyuki stoped Kurama's bijuu dama with a single hand
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not only did he do that he took no damage whatsoever from the explosion
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BM kurama is 50% Kurama in the real world and they're is no way Gyuki is swatting his bijuu dama with a single hand. Now to debunked this FRS argument That FRS he used on Kurama that Kurama was clearly hurt from the attack yet BM Kurama was able to withstand a juubi beam and if that is not enough evidence because chakra > flesh and bone Bijuu can withstand they're natural tbbs Gyuki tanking its own Bijuu dama but fleeing later meaning that Kurama should be able to withstand its own bijuu dama with moderate damage while we seen a FRS do that much damage to it meaning things were fabricated in that fight.
No. There were 2 edo flakes after Rasenshuriken which means superficial damage. Raikage's whole body began to flake when he was hit with Nukite. Besides alive Raikage is more durable than his Edo version so if he were alive there would be no damage.
So you believe Raikage is more durable than 50% Kurama? but is does not matter as i'v debunked the Kurama and yes i believe that V4 susanoo > that Kurama when it comes to durability which is rougly on par with Gyuki who has about to be gutted by a Susanoo blade that would not put a dent on a V4 susanoo Nukite Gets lodged into susanoo's armor at most after that he is stuck and then raped by the Susanoo user.
Yes. He is at least as durable as V4 Susanoo if not more durable.
Yes. He did tank FRS. The edo FLAKE shown is completely irrelevant not only because it only indicates minor/superficial damage but because Edo bodies are weaker than their alive forms. Example being how 6th Gate Lee with Kyubi cloak was able to cut Edo Madara in half with a kick [
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Edo's being weaker in they're alive form is not true for all edo's especially not when those scans you provided. He did not tank it you know the meaning of tank (Receiving no damage at all) his body was smoked and it even put him out for a few seconds and with those edo flakes breaking off meaning if he was alive it would have breached his skin allowing the effects of FRS to kill the 3rd or atleast destroy his chakra network edo saved his life if anything.
Rock lee with a kurama cloak kicking through Madara is not a weakest of durability for edo's but a test of Rocklee's power 6 gates already give you incredible power add a kurama cloak which boost all your natural stats Raikage was able to knock his arm off with a chop he put little to no power behind
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so him kicking through Madara should be no surprise v1 Raikage even punched through Juugo's arm defense (While he was in CM2 which is much more durable then normal bodies) and put a whole in his
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even though these are different based attacks point is its very possible to plow through someone with punches or kicks.
Laughing at your Paper bomb argument nice try but Nagato Negated most of the paper bomb attack
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in the scan you clearly see Nagato and conan holding on to each other meaning what would have happened to him most likely happen to her or she would have atleast took some damage yet konan was completely untouched
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Not only that Nagato had to use some form of deva path abilities considering he moved from the laction they we're previously at with no leg movement decreasing the power of the paper bombs Hanzo even says Nagato evaded majority of the attack
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against edo's who would not bother dodging because they're immortal
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Haku the only one putting up a defense because he had not known better i hope this derails your argument about edo's durability.
No. Being FRS from a clone is irrelevant. A single Rasenshuriken requires nowhere near the clone's full chakra so the total amount of chakra that clone has is irrelevant. I don't know where you got the idea that a clone's justu is always weaker than an original's jutsu. Rasengans from his clones are as powerful as rasengans from the original, no different with Rasenshuriken.
Being a FRS clone does have some relevance to his FRS being inpowered by his Kurama chakra
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Kurama was sucking Naruto's chakra away and not giving his attack the full power the scan of VOTE1 is different not only was the Rasengan within Kurama's chakra cloak it was created by his Kurama chakra
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looking different then your average rasengan not saying it did not get stronger just saying that its not a powerful as you think and kurama chakra did not play such a big role. My point was not to say a clone rasengan would be weaker than the original i was saying KM Naruto (Kurama friend or in control) with no bushins in use rasengan is stronger than him with bushin in use with kurama ploting against him.
KCM does give a large boost, just like the Kyubi's chakra has given a boost to anyone who ever received a Kyubi cloak, or every time Naruto uses cloaked modes.
Already debunked this all the other times where kurama chakra has influenced the power of his abilities Kurama liked it and helped Naruto for his own selfish reasons but when he trapped kurama he hated him and tried to suck away his power every chance he got.
Kakashi went from struggling to warp away an explosion to being able to warp the Hachibi with kamui after receiving a Kyubi cloak. He states kamui got at least three times as powerful.
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And all these examples are only from receiving a V1 Jin cloak. KCM cloak is much stronger than that considering it contains much much more of Kurama's chakra.
Addressed majority and irrelevant because Kurama cloaks add a bigger boost to other people's attack then it does its own Jinchuriki considering its normal chakra for Naruto as him and Kurama became in sync with one another
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meaning Naruto does not give half the boost he can actually give off to people from Kurama's chakra. Giving all these feats your displaying with kurama cloaks why would it be so impossible for 6 gates lee to kick through a body with one?
I'll wait for proof for the bold, and how that applies to Susanoo being able to tank Nukite. You only showed that V4 armour is bigger and thicker. Bigger in size means very little when Nukite isn't supposed to destroy the whole thing, it only needs to pierce through Susanoo in one place and go through Susanoo.
Ill be waiting for your actual unbiased evidence aswell my friend, needed to only pierce one place means nothing when destroying one part of susanoo = destroying the rest considering its the same durability everywhere. No one was implying he have to destroy the whole thing anyways so get that out of your head and being bigger and thicker matters why because i can punch through one sheet of paper but i cannot punch through a stack of paper or better yet i can jab a pencil through a sheet but i cannot jab one through a stack of paper why because its bigger and thicker a pencil is focus enough to hit a pin point spot in on the paper without needing to destroy the whole stack of paper yet it still would not pierce the paper periode your logic made no sense happy to debunk it for ya though.
False Temari and her group of fodder Wind users already damaged his body without ration
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he still needed to heal so you keep talking about his wind knocking off the armor and the third normally tanking it should be silenced from here on out. FRS is much stronger then her wind net so as i previously stated 2 FRS destroy the 3rd.
FRS's power without Elemental advantage=not able to even knock of raiton shroud while Nukite STILL was able to cut through the Third Raikage, even in his much more durable alive form.
Now we have FRS being able to completely destroy V3 Susanoo. Focus all of FRS's power into one single point instead of a big explosion, and Nukite is still stronger. If you truly think it takes 2 FRS to destroy V4 Susanoo armour, then it should take only one FRS to cut through it if all that power is completely focused in one point. So once Nukite tears through the V4 Susanoo armour, it pierces through the V3 underneath that like butter.
FRS is not completely destroying a v3 susanoo not when it protected its user from Kirin or was that v4 does not matter. Focusing all FRS power into a single point it destroys the raikage or very least pierce his skin like a samurai blade through flesh, FRS exploding would breach the skin considering it knocked his edo dust off meaning its has the power to go past his defenses Armor and skin focus that and the 3rd is ran right through an electric explosion of nukite is borderline fodder hoe you no that right its nowhere near the strength of kirin. How does that make since? it takes 2 FRS to knock down the v4 armor? yet 1 could cut it? makes no since at all. Nukite is leaves a crack or is lodged in the v4 susanoo (Being generous with that second 1) 1 FRS pin pointed into a single attack would equal nukite 2 FRS pin pointed shits on nukite. Maybe i was being a little stupid when i said 2 FRS would knock down a v4 susanoo, V3 susanoo is reletively skinny
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compared to its V4 brother
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its not only has armor its so much more wider meaning if it was the same size as a v3 just had that armor of v4 it would atleast be double its power now add the width and height at v4 susanoo armor is atleast 2-3x more stronger than a v3 susanoo Nukite is not budging it.
It not killing suigetsu does not help your argument considering its did not directly explode on suigetsu and he was water you post does not help you at all.
Nice try but no look a Killerbee's words to Naruto Gyuki turning to a puddle is because of he's leaving you can even see the jumping away marks above Gyuki shit post was shitty.
Tbb was not the only thing that phucked up Gyuki that day so irrelevant. Gyuki said he reached his limits to meaning him and Kurama chakra was low and that they needed to rest to regain chakra besides saying he was hurt there is not indication that a healthy gyuki would go down like that. When did i say Gyuki tanked a juubi laser tha phuck.
No. There were 2 edo flakes after Rasenshuriken which means superficial damage. Raikage's whole body began to flake when he was hit with Nukite. Besides alive Raikage is more durable than his Edo version so if he were alive there would be no damage.
They're were only 2 edo flakes spotted you should say FRS doing superficial damage means nothing as it does not negate my point damage was done so stop saying he tanked it. Because his whole chest was ran through did FRS do that no so point remains irrelevant furthermore that is more then damage that is destruction. You provided no scans or even clues that alive raikage is more durable and the scans you posted above were other edos and i shitted on them so it would not matter anyways.
Yet you claim Kurama inside Naruto's head = 50% Kurama which is basically bm kurama then you claim 3rd raikage tanked it yet 50% kurama took heavy damage you we're implying it if you did not say phuck outta hea.
Ima say this as blunt as possible.
YOU WILL NEVER BEAT ME IN A DEBATE BEANS PHUCK OUT MY FACE.
How does Nukite go through the 3rd Raikage like a knife through butter when he fell on it and was only left with a scar? Also even if he did tank a bijuudama what purpose does that serve here? Manda dead body was left with burned wounds and ash marks after being hit by c0 yet Gamabunta knife went clean through his head does that mean that Gamabunta's knife is automatically above anything that c4 can't turn to dust upon contact?
How does Nukite go through the 3rd Raikage like a knife through butter when he fell on it and was only left with a scar? Also even if he did tank a bijuudama what purpose does that serve here? Manda dead body was left with burned wounds and ash marks after being hit by c4 yet Gamabunta knife went clean through his head does that mean that Gamabunta's knife is automatically above anything that c4 can't turn to dust upon contact?
Edo's being weaker in they're alive form is not true for all edo's especially not when those scans you provided. He did not tank it you know the meaning of tank (Receiving no damage at all) his body was smoked and it even put him out for a few seconds and with those edo flakes breaking off meaning if he was alive it would have breached his skin allowing the effects of FRS to kill the 3rd or atleast destroy his chakra network edo saved his life if anything.
Rock lee with a kurama cloak kicking through Madara is not a weakest of durability for edo's but a test of Rocklee's power 6 gates already give you incredible power add a kurama cloak which boost all your natural stats Raikage was able to knock his arm off with a chop he put little to no power behind
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so him kicking through Madara should be no surprise v1 Raikage even punched through Juugo's arm defense (While he was in CM2 which is much more durable then normal bodies) and put a whole in his
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even though these are different based attacks point is its very possible to plow through someone with punches or kicks.
We know it's not a test of Rock Lee's strength because Gai in sixth gate kicked 30% Kisame square in the jaw but his head didn't go rolling, he only got a nose bleed.
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1. Kicking someone's torso in half is more difficult than kicking someone's head off.
2. Gai is physically stronger than Lee already.
3. You can try saying it was the kyubi cloak, but then you'd have to prove that a Kyubi cloak will increase Base Lee's physical strength to the point where he's much stronger than Gai in sixth gate.
As for your Ay example, he only was able to cut off his arm because he used raiton chakra to turn his hand into a spear and increase its piercing power. Ay was able to punch a whole through Juugo because 1) he's a lot physically stronger than Lee and 2) punching a whole through someone is easier than kicking someone in half.
So yes Edo bodies are less durable than regular human bodies. Hell, you can even use the Third Raikage himself as an example because when he was alive, Nukite only left him a scar but when Edo Nukite pierced through him easily.
Laughing at your Paper bomb argument nice try but Nagato Negated most of the paper bomb attack
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in the scan you clearly see Nagato and conan holding on to each other meaning what would have happened to him most likely happen to her or she would have atleast took some damage yet konan was completely untouched
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Not only that Nagato had to use some form of deva path abilities considering he moved from the laction they we're previously at with no leg movement decreasing the power of the paper bombs Hanzo even says Nagato evaded majority of the attack
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While on the other hand Sai explosion was the size of a forest
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against edo's who would not bother dodging because they're immortal
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Haku the only one putting up a defense because he had not known better i hope this derails your argument about edo's durability.
All the scans you showed me just proves that Nagato was able to escape the explosion caused by the paper bombs on the ground, through footspeed or other means. The fact remains that the manga shows there were more paper bombs wrapped around Nagato's legs, then after the explosion we see Nagato's legs on fire and he was crippled for life because of that. So the feat of all paper tags being unable to blow off Nagato's legs still stands.
Sai's paper bombs having a large explosion radius doesn't change anything because size doesn't equate to power. Only four paper bombs were able to blow up a small building and create a decent sized explosion [
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Being a FRS clone does have some relevance to his FRS being inpowered by his Kurama chakra
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Kurama was sucking Naruto's chakra away and not giving his attack the full power the scan of VOTE1 is different not only was the Rasengan within Kurama's chakra cloak it was created by his Kurama chakra
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looking different then your average rasengan not saying it did not get stronger just saying that its not a powerful as you think and kurama chakra did not play such a big role. My point was not to say a clone rasengan would be weaker than the original i was saying KM Naruto (Kurama friend or in control) with no bushins in use rasengan is stronger than him with bushin in use with kurama ploting against him.
Already debunked this all the other times where kurama chakra has influenced the power of his abilities Kurama liked it and helped Naruto for his own selfish reasons but when he trapped kurama he hated him and tried to suck away his power every chance he got.
Wrong. Naruto seperated Kurama's chakra from its will [
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Addressed majority and irrelevant because Kurama cloaks add a bigger boost to other people's attack then it does its own Jinchuriki considering its normal chakra for Naruto as him and Kurama became in sync with one another
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meaning Naruto does not give half the boost he can actually give off to people from Kurama's chakra. Giving all these feats your displaying with kurama cloaks why would it be so impossible for 6 gates lee to kick through a body with one?
:lol, Unorthodox you're my master but you fcked up here. You basically just said Kuramas chakra=Naruto's chakra, and the scan you used to show that Naruto and Kurama are in sync was after Naruto became friends with Kurama. Kurama's chakra is NOT normal chakra for Naruto. Over and over again in the manga there's been stated to be a clear difference.
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Kurama's chakra is Kurama's chakra. Whether Naruto or Kakashi or Hinata is using it is irrelevant because it boosts all jutsu regardless of the user. In fact, the boost KCM Naruto gets should be much stronger than anyone who receives a V1 cloak because Naruto has a much larger amount of Kurama's chakra at his disposal than Kakashi or Hinata. KCM FRS is more than 3x as strong as a base FRS.
And @Bold: because I don't believe base Lee + Kyubi cloak > 6 Gated Gai which is what you're saying.
Ill be waiting for your actual unbiased evidence aswell my friend, needed to only pierce one place means nothing when destroying one part of susanoo = destroying the rest considering its the same durability everywhere. No one was implying he have to destroy the whole thing anyways so get that out of your head and being bigger and thicker matters why because i can punch through one sheet of paper but i cannot punch through a stack of paper or better yet i can jab a pencil through a sheet but i cannot jab one through a stack of paper why because its bigger and thicker a pencil is focus enough to hit a pin point spot in on the paper without needing to destroy the whole stack of paper yet it still would not pierce the paper periode your logic made no sense happy to debunk it for ya though.
False Temari and her group of fodder Wind users already damaged his body without ration
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he still needed to heal so you keep talking about his wind knocking off the armor and the third normally tanking it should be silenced from here on out. FRS is much stronger then her wind net so as i previously stated 2 FRS destroy the 3rd.
Key word: without raiton. Cloaked Raikage is much more durable than Base Raikage so I don't see how this proves two FRS would kill the cloaked Raikage when he already tanked one with little damage, and if he were alive in his more durable body he would have tanked it with zero damage. Even when he was an Edo, he was only knocked out for a second and had TWO tiny edo flakes.
Not to mention, Temari's fuuton wouldn't have scratched Raikage if he were alive based off how much less durable he is as an Edo, and her combination Wind Cast Net with two other users is a focused piercing attack instead of an explosion.
FRS is not completely destroying a v3 susanoo not when it protected its user from Kirin or was that v4 does not matter. Focusing all FRS power into a single point it destroys the raikage or very least pierce his skin like a samurai blade through flesh, FRS exploding would breach the skin considering it knocked his edo dust off meaning its has the power to go past his defenses Armor and skin focus that and the 3rd is ran right through an electric explosion of nukite is borderline fodder hoe you no that right its nowhere near the strength of kirin. How does that make since? it takes 2 FRS to knock down the v4 armor? yet 1 could cut it? makes no since at all. Nukite is leaves a crack or is lodged in the v4 susanoo (Being generous with that second 1) 1 FRS pin pointed into a single attack would equal nukite 2 FRS pin pointed shits on nukite. Maybe i was being a little stupid when i said 2 FRS would knock down a v4 susanoo, V3 susanoo is reletively skinny
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compared to its V4 brother
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its not only has armor its so much more wider meaning if it was the same size as a v3 just had that armor of v4 it would atleast be double its power now add the width and height at v4 susanoo armor is atleast 2-3x more stronger than a v3 susanoo Nukite is not budging it.
Good lord. I can barely understand what you're saying so countering this will be difficult.
1. FRS is destroying V3 Susanoo. Danzo's fuuton which is much weaker than FRS bored a hole through V3 Susanoo. FRS held down half Kurama TWICE [
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. Half Kurama is able to survive its own TBB like Hachibi, and TBB would destroy V4 Susanoo and obliterate V3 Susanoo. Therefore FRS destroys V3. I said all this in the OP.
2. FRS focused into a single point might pierce through the Third Raikage, but take away the elemental advantage wind has over lightning and it doesn't stand a chance of piercing through. Meaning that in raw power, Nukite>Focused FRS.
3. If it takes two FRS explosions to destroy V4 armour than a single Nukite does it EASILY. Raikage can tank FRS with no damage despite elemental disadvantage. V4 Susanoo can't tank FRS with no damage. Therefore cloaked Raikage is at least as durable as V4 Susanoo. Nukite pierced through Raikage therefore it pierces through Susanoo.
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with the same advantages and disadvantages on both sides. Let's pretend V4 Susanoo armour is a Raiton. Now let's pretend this is "Edo Susanoo" which is weaker than regular V4 Susanoo. Fuuton: Rasenshuriken would obliterate the outer armour and maybe even do damage to the V3 Susanoo inside, whereas Raikage tanks FRS with only his outer cloak being removed. And this comparison isn't even fair to the Raikage STILL, considering V4 Susanoo's armour is >> the V3 Susanoo inside, whereas the Third Raikage's body is the main source of his durability, not his cloak.
It not killing suigetsu does not help your argument considering its did not directly explode on suigetsu and he was water you post does not help you at all.
. You need to log out right now if you said that Suigetsu covered in water can survive something equivalent in power to a normal Bijuu Dama. TBB in wave form is far weaker.
Nice try but no look a Killerbee's words to Naruto Gyuki turning to a puddle is because of he's leaving you can even see the jumping away marks above Gyuki shit post was shitty.
That wasn't Bee jumping away, that was Naruto. Bee never appeared inside Naruto's mind, just the Hachibi. Gyuki was turned into a puddle from the explosion. And if that's not enough evidence, you can clearly see Naruto above Kurama holding a Rasengan. Why was Naruto in the air? Because he jumped in the panel before, not Bee. Derp. :lol.
You can't compare Gyuki and Kurama like that. Kurama is literally sealed INSIDE Naruto. Gyuki only was able to reach that world through Naruto and Bee bumping fists. Of course he'd be weaker.
Tbb was not the only thing that phucked up Gyuki that day so irrelevant. Gyuki said he reached his limits to meaning him and Kurama chakra was low and that they needed to rest to regain chakra besides saying he was hurt there is not indication that a healthy gyuki would go down like that. When did i say Gyuki tanked a juubi laser tha phuck.
:lol, so you think it's coincidence that Gyuki reverted to base IMMEDIATELY after getting hit with his own TBB? No damage he took earlier that day even comes close to the damage he took from TBB. Same thing happens to a rested Gyuki.
They're were only 2 edo flakes spotted you should say FRS doing superficial damage means nothing as it does not negate my point damage was done so stop saying he tanked it. Because his whole chest was ran through did FRS do that no so point remains irrelevant furthermore that is more then damage that is destruction. You provided no scans or even clues that alive raikage is more durable and the scans you posted above were other edos and i shitted on them so it would not matter anyways.
I proved that Edos are less durable than normal bodies earlier. 2 Edo flakes = superficial damage. More durable alive Raikage would tank no damage if his edo body only took superficial damage.
Yet you claim Kurama inside Naruto's head = 50% Kurama which is basically bm kurama then you claim 3rd raikage tanked it yet 50% kurama took heavy damage you we're implying it if you did not say phuck outta hea.
We know it's not a test of Rock Lee's strength because Gai in sixth gate kicked 30% Kisame square in the jaw but his head didn't go rolling, he only got a nose bleed.
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1. Kicking someone's torso in half is more difficult than kicking someone's head off.
2. Gai is physically stronger than Lee already.
3. You can try saying it was the kyubi cloak, but then you'd have to prove that a Kyubi cloak will increase Base Lee's physical strength to the point where he's much stronger than Gai in sixth gate.
That gai kicking Kisame is irrelevant because war arc lee with a cloak > beginning shippuden 6 gates gai giving the war arc feats. Kurama cloak > 6 gates in the following Durability attacking power and increasing power overall so instead of trying to take away from what rock lee did to Madara you should be praising the feat. I can also provide why knocking off someone head is atleast as tuff as the latter, it took the combine Efforts of Bee & Raikage lariat to knock off a Kisame clone head
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While one of those Lariats from Killerbee blew up Sasuke's chest
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is it me or are those ribs? either way your chest is tuffer than your body as it had no bones to go through besides your spine add the fact that he hit kisame neck with the same attack. Point is the having bijuu cloaking your taijutsu can easily rip someone in half especially sinceKurama cloak boost your power much more then gyuki cloak would boost its own host.
Kicking someone in half is not that hard especially when your boosted with a Kurama cloak and the person wrapped in it is a taijutsu specialist.
Gai being physically stronger is pointless why because War arc lee is atleast the same as early shippuden Gai furthermore Kurama cloak applies more concentrated power then 6 gates as it was able to kick someone in half while the latter was not. You used scans to try to prove your point but they just showed how lackluster early shippuden 6 gates gai was compared to his near or war arc self who basically destroyed a ocean of Water sharks while the later could only put a whole in a akatsuki jacket
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if that was the gai that defeated the real kisame the skin on that dude body would have been burnt off atleast then add the fact that he came in direct contact with the punches to basically you cannot compare the two.
As for your Ay example, he only was able to cut off his arm because he used raiton chakra to turn his hand into a spear and increase its piercing power. Ay was able to punch a whole through Juugo because 1) he's a lot physically stronger than Lee and 2) punching a whole through someone is easier than kicking someone in half.
If what you saying was true A ration would have needed to go through his whole arm he simply chopped it and knock it off but ill excuse you on that because its irrelevant. Raikage punched through Juugo's CM2 double layered arm yet failed to punch through Madara
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meaning Rock lee kick was even stronger than That we can scale his kick to atleast = Tsunade punch as they both destroyed his body one more concentrated though.
So yes Edo bodies are less durable than regular human bodies. Hell, you can even use the Third Raikage himself as an example because when he was alive, Nukite only left him a scar but when Edo Nukite pierced through him easily.
Already addressed edo's body being less durable then human bodies. We do not know which nukite he used furthermore he scar is like a dagger dragged across his chest meaning it stabbed him then went up he also could have deactivated his nukite before real damage was done because His lighting armor durability > his skin nukite is that with piercing force focused so it would logically be even stronger.
All the scans you showed me just proves that Nagato was able to escape the explosion caused by the paper bombs on the ground, through footspeed or other means. The fact remains that the manga shows there were more paper bombs wrapped around Nagato's legs, then after the explosion we see Nagato's legs on fire and he was crippled for life because of that. So the feat of all paper tags being unable to blow off Nagato's legs still stands.
How would he have escape the paper bombs through foot speed? when his legs were burnt to a crisp he used some form of deva path ability to move that fast meaning the only explosion he took was the ones already draped over his legs Konan had 0 damage tooken and she was next to him so he had to deflect the explosion some how. You just said More paper bombs were on the ground now more are on his legs? make up your mind, the rest i really do not understand or atleast how it proves my arguments wrong.
Sai's paper bombs having a large explosion radius doesn't change anything because size doesn't equate to power. Only four paper bombs were able to blow up a small building and create a decent sized explosion [
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], scale that up to the number of paper tags that were on Nagato and the explosion shouldn't be significantly smaller than the one caused by Sai's bombs. And they didn't hit the Edos point blank like they did with Nagato.
Size does equal power when its comes to explosion why because more explosion + bigger size and more power going off at one time so your wrong on that point. That is no where near the size of building stop exaggerating to help your claims. that explosion does not even compare to the size of Sai's so irrelevant. Nagato clearly deflected most of the explosion as i explained above with deva or some other rinnegan ability. Making direct contact does not matter when your still caught in the heart of the explosion.
- Sign - Basically in that scan Kurama was sucking his chakra away from Naruto as bee explained making bushin was no better as they we're still using Kurama chakra so he was sucking the chakra out of them same with Naruto's techs so they did not get the full benefit of being used with his Kurama chakra as oppose to his rasengan at VOTE which was forged with Kurama chakra because Kurama was in control or atleast wanted Naruto to use his power as oppose to him using it when he was in kcm form because Kurama was mad that he was captured and caged again.
Wrong. Naruto seperated Kurama's chakra from its will [
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] and took the chakra for himself. Whether Kurama likes the fact that Naruto is using its chakra or not is irrelevant, because he can't stop Naruto from using its chakra. Not saying Naruto can use an unlimited amount of the Kyubi's chakra in KCM, but you can't deny that the Kyubi's chakra which Naruto has gives his ninjutsu a huge boost.
That scan debunks majority of your post disciple. No one is not denying his chakra boost im saying its not as great as i should or could be because Kurama is not working with him so the 3x boost is not presence in his kcm ability because that happens when him and Kurama's chakra are in sync and in his km form they're not its actually the opposite.
Unorthodox you're my master but you fcked up here. You basically just said Kuramas chakra=Naruto's chakra, and the scan you used to show that Naruto and Kurama are in sync was after Naruto became friends with Kurama. Kurama's chakra is NOT normal chakra for Naruto. Over and over again in the manga there's been stated to be a clear difference.
Young Naruto does not count because the chakra has been molding into one his whole life no one said its always been once. Yes his chakra is borderline normal especially with Naruto using young naruto is joke when he only had 2 altercation with Kurama's chakra then while his shippuden self have been using through the whole shippuden series and on much higher scales.
Kurama's chakra is Kurama's chakra. Whether Naruto or Kakashi or Hinata is using it is irrelevant because it boosts all jutsu regardless of the user. In fact, the boost KCM Naruto gets should be much stronger than anyone who receives a V1 cloak because Naruto has a much larger amount of Kurama's chakra at his disposal than Kakashi or Hinata. KCM FRS is more than 3x as strong as a base FRS.
You have to be a fool to think Kurama chakra boost Naruto's normal attacks by as much as it boost everyone else attacks? why because Hinata was knocking back Juubi's hand with a kurama cloak while Naruto Kurama's avatar could not put a dent on V1 juubi (Not Saying Hinata can) but if what your saying was true Kurama would have definitely done a much better job, Adding on Kurama boost > that of a senjutsu boost (When kurama chakra is given to someone who is not his jinchuriki/While senjutsu being giving directly to an attack) yet KM naruto's rasengan only bruised Obito's arm
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if Naruto's rasengan was truly boosted like everyone else attacks (or more due to him having the actual Kurama inside him) it would have took Obito's arm clean off yet it did not even cause a bruise. Even BM Naruto's rasengan did jack shit to Obito's face
6 gates war lee > 6 Gate early shippuden gai who could not even burn the skin off a random fodder or destroy his akatsuki cloak.
Hell even near war arc 6 gate gai loses his fire is about as sharp as Madara's fire which a cloak tanked his punches are about Madara's Magatama level of force which the cloak tanked aswell im not seeing how gai wins this.
Key word: without raiton. Cloaked Raikage is much more durable than Base Raikage so I don't see how this proves two FRS would kill the cloaked Raikage when he already tanked one with little damage, and if he were alive in his more durable body he would have tanked it with zero damage. Even when he was an Edo, he was only knocked out for a second and had TWO tiny edo flakes.
Key word is without ration did you forget what your argument was based off of? ill explain you were basically saying that he would durable enough to take the same damage as he did with or without the ration cloak then i replied saying a much weaker wind attack breached his skin so a FRS on his normal body would atleast slive deep within him fool.
This proves 2 FRS would kill him because 1 blows off his armor and leaves him damaged and since he is much much more durable with the cloak and still took that damage without the cloak he dies easy simple as that. Already addressed his body being more durable when alive and as if that would help your argument anyways since we're basing are claims what he showed when he was edo so that is irrelevant.
Not to mention, Temari's fuuton wouldn't have scratched Raikage if he were alive based off how much less durable he is as an Edo, and her combination Wind Cast Net with two other users is a focused piercing attack instead of an explosion.
No you did not it was not until this post till you even brought up his scar and that was me addressing your 1st post and i shitted on tha post to began with.
1. FRS is destroying V3 Susanoo. Danzo's fuuton which is much weaker than FRS bored a hole through V3 Susanoo. FRS held down half Kurama TWICE [
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because he was so weakened. The second time it weakened Kurama so much that
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. Half Kurama is able to survive its own TBB like Hachibi, and TBB would destroy V4 Susanoo and obliterate V3 Susanoo. Therefore FRS destroys V3. I said all this in the OP.
You must be silly if you think im going to concede to these weak ass arguments which are based off Kurama inside Naruto's world. That Kurama does not even began to equal the real 50% Kurama which would be BM Kurama in the real world although it would be weaker due to it having skin and flesh but not to a degree that it would equal the Kurama in Naruto's world , Wait you claim 50% Kurama >>> 3rd raikage in durability yet that Kurama clearly took major damage from FRS while the you claim the latter would take zero damage from? You mean the same Tailed beast bomb that Gyuki blocked with a single hand
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which had no damaging explosion at all we've seen how large a blast tailed beast bomb explosion can be
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that would have mowed down Gyuki palm while vaporzing Naruto and that whole room if that was truly Kurama's power. Already shitted on your stupid comparison try again. Where is your proof that FRS is much stronger than Danzo's fuuton enhanced by Baku considering he tried that same attack on skeleton susanoo and it did jack shit then with Baku it slice a v3 susanoo back open.
2. FRS focused into a single point might pierce through the Third Raikage, but take away the elemental advantage wind has over lightning and it doesn't stand a chance of piercing through. Meaning that in raw power, Nukite>Focused FRS.
Nope i already explained that his base body gets wrecked by FRS meaning his lighting armor is the only reason he took as less damage as he did to began with meaning his wind nature had very little to do with him blowing down Raikages armor like he did. Focus that power into a point Raikage is pierced in the argument was 2 focused FRS because i was comparing it with Nukite and V4 susanoo.
If it takes two FRS explosions to destroy V4 armour than a single Nukite does it EASILY. Raikage can tank FRS with no damage despite elemental disadvantage. V4 Susanoo can't tank FRS with no damage. Therefore cloaked Raikage is at least as durable as V4 Susanoo. Nukite pierced through Raikage therefore it pierces through Susanoo.
In that post i already said its mostlikely 3 due to wideness of v4 susanoo compared to V3 and even if it was 2 they would dry out Raikage easy. Already shitted on your exaggeration of that elemental disadvantage nonsense you keep sprouting. Not if you compress FRS into a point attack like Nukite and it shanks through the 3rd raikage and why you keep saying no damage when i'v proven multiple times that damage was done? No he is not anywhere V4 susanoo durability why because
V3 susanoo >> his normal body which was pierced by some temari and some fodder fuuton users V4 susanoo armor add more to the V3 then His ration shroud so my point remains Susanoo tanks.
with the same advantages and disadvantages on both sides. Let's pretend V4 Susanoo armour is a Raiton. Now let's pretend this is "Edo Susanoo" which is weaker than regular V4 Susanoo. Fuuton: Rasenshuriken would obliterate the outer armour and maybe even do damage to the V3 Susanoo inside, whereas Raikage tanks FRS with only his outer cloak being removed. And this comparison isn't even fair to the Raikage STILL, considering V4 Susanoo's armour is >> the V3 Susanoo inside, whereas the Third Raikage's body is the main source of his durability, not his cloak.
So you just going to jump to the assumption that V4 susanoo made out of ration would be destroyed by FRS just because the 3rd was? Why because your logic huh? FRS does nothing it would only crack the armor all over probably less then that. His body is the main source but its not stronger why would he wear armor weaker than his own body pointless armor don't you think.
Proof? while in Bijuu mode the wave tbb is weaker because Killerbee's did not seem weaker to me and even if it was weaker it would not be so weak to the point were killerbee can literally block it with the palm of his hand which is weakened inside Naruto's head so this whole post falls apart.
. You need to log out right now if you said that Suigetsu covered in water can survive something equivalent in power to a normal Bijuu Dama. TBB in wave form is far weaker.
It hit suigetsu before it exploded you can clearly see its still black just like when Juubi flicked Gyuki's tailed beast bomb back at it was still in its chakra form
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like so and even if it wasit suigetsu is water and was connected to the whole ocean he would have splashed around.
1. It was the same size of his ball exploding tailed beast bomb
2. Another bijuu could not black that with a single palm so your argument is still shit boy.
That wasn't Bee jumping away, that was Naruto. Bee never appeared inside Naruto's mind, just the Hachibi. Gyuki was turned into a puddle from the explosion. And if that's not enough evidence, you can clearly see Naruto above Kurama holding a Rasengan. Why was Naruto in the air? Because he jumped in the panel before, not Bee. Derp. :lol.
Only thing i was wrong about and that just the killerbee jumping away part. Gyuki would not turn to a puddle his hand was still standing after the damage was done and that was just one hand why would the whole Gyuki turn to a puddle if he was damaged i also see how you deliberately picked the useless part of my post to counter aswell. Also Gyuki already stated he'd be much weaker since its Naruto's mind so even if a blast tbb was weaker the weaknest of Gyuki being inside Naruto's head would make up for the difference.
You can't compare Gyuki and Kurama like that. Kurama is literally sealed INSIDE Naruto. Gyuki only was able to reach that world through Naruto and Bee bumping fists. Of course he'd be weaker.
so you think it's coincidence that Gyuki reverted to base IMMEDIATELY after getting hit with his own TBB? No damage he took earlier that day even comes close to the damage he took from TBB. Same thing happens to a rested Gyuki.
Nope Killerbee was Gyuki until throughout most of that Obito fight leading into Madara's Gyuki left because he was exhausted of chakra not because he was hurt even Obito said so
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if the tbb did the damage Obito would have said so.
I proved that Edos are less durable than normal bodies earlier. 2 Edo flakes = superficial damage. More durable alive Raikage would tank no damage if his edo body only took superficial damage.
Already debunked this edo being weaker nonsense 2 edo flakes were spotted does not mean there were only 2 furthermore it being even 1 edo flake means if he was alive it would have breached his skin thus the FRS would take him out that simple.
I do because if you tanked something you would not look like this
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also being weakened by something oppose to someone tanking it with 0 damage at all means that the person who tanked it with 0 damage is more durable now get the phuck out of here with that nonsense.
