NV powerwise gone too above even than Bleach??Kishi going super saiyan?

[Mikeuhsomething36]

Genjutsu works equally for everyone, unless he has Susanoo to hide under.

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Kappa.

Judging by your post I can tell you have no idea what almighty even does :|

 

[Ansatsuken]

So on your standarts Ghosts and Demons are fast enough to bend space and time ? U_U

You are literally retarded with that argument.

I want to hear you say Bleach characters can react to S/T Jutsus which are faster than Speed of Light, actually they are instant.


Show me a bleach character fast enough to react to a speed that bends space, just do it, or you just don't have any idea how fast that is.



At any point it should be obvious these were half-joke things, hence why I mentioned Itachi's solo weapon Yata. U_U In reality though I don't want to argue Manga vs Manga since it would take us too much time to discuss every character and etc. The fact of the Matter is.

Infinite Tsukuyiomi can solo any Verse. U_U And Genjutsu solos Bleach for sure. + Bleach Characters are too slow for S/T or Bending Space Speed.

Infinite Tsukuyomi need a preparation. And I doubt Ywach or Aizen or any Bleach top tier will allow it to happen. Remember Ywach can see future and can move in light speed.

And dont forget Ichibei, only Ywach can defeat him.

 

[Dannie]

I want to hear you say Bleach characters can react to S/T Jutsus which are faster than Speed of Light, actually they are instant.

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Instant? And Naruto, who can't react to anything that is "instant" was able to react to Sasuke's S/T jutsu.

If in fact they were instant then Sasuke would have destroyed Naruto.
If in fact, they were faster than speed of light (which is the most dumbest thing I've heard all day) then Sasuke would have hit Kaguya and not have missed her.

Glad to see that someone can actually be this dumb and claiming S/T to be faster than light. lmao what a joke. bye

 

[Loki d]

Mr Luckyso think when Bleach characters or any verse fight with NV characters, that battle must occur in NV universe.

But in Cross universe battle, the battle arena is natural universe. In natural universe Kaguya will not have her own dimensions around. Thats mean she need to create new dimensions or find any dimensions inside Natural Universe to teleported if she can.

If she cant, she need to fight in one place only.

Characters rule and law will be equal, thats mean reatsu/reishi=chakra. Aizen hypnosis will work on all NV characters that saw his sword.

Only Shinigami can see hollow or other Shinigami. I doubt Rinnegan can see Shinigami or hollow.

Spiritual pressure can kill NV characters.

Etc etc

That some example.

Here is where many NV supporters here failed

You fail

Naruto characters can see spirits and have dealt with spiritual pressure before remember Orochimaru and Hashirama

If I remember correctly, isn't shunpo basically instant? Being a shunpo master is basically teleportation, something that's been done since the arrancar arc. And by definition, IT does nothing to the almighty, due to the almighty's description. And yata does nothing against rukia's sub-zero banki because susano doesn't defend from non physical attacks as noted by kabuto :|

No Shunpo is like Shunshin it's special movement and plot related. Special speed that makes it appear as if the user has teleported and afterimages and such.

 

[Loki d]

Infinite Tsukuyomi need a preparation. And I doubt Ywach or Aizen or any Bleach top tier will allow it to happen. Remember Ywach can see future and can move in light speed.

And dont forget Ichibei, only Ywach can defeat him.

That's only if the user wants to do it on a planetary scale which is not necessary. Yes Yhwach will see himself being blitzed light speed is mid tier in naruto

 

[MrLukyso]

Judging by your post I can tell you have no idea what almighty even does :|

Please google the word Kappa. :eww:

 

[chaos control]

I disagree that power made it bad. If anything more power was necessary. Kishi still nerfed characters to no end!

1. Why the heck would you make a power losable?! Just why! I am referring to truth seeking balls! Madara and Naruto should have easily been able to recreate them, but no Kishi had to nerf them!

2. Then all of a sudden after chapter 699, Kishi just won't let Naruto showcase the true and ultimate RSM (with truth seeking balls)! He just does that stupid eyes crap which is technically RSM, but it feels more like BSM with a different cloak design!

3. He gives Shin a pathetic mangekyou technique!

4. He completely ignores all of Sarada's potential and just makes her Tsunade #3! He didn't even give her 2 tomoe when she had multiple opportunities to at least get 2 in Gaiden! I mean seriously, what the heck is 1 tomoe even good for? Have we even seen any feats from a 1 tomoe sharingan in the entire series?! I don't think so. Even the first time we saw Sasuke use the sharingan (against Haku), he had 2 tomoe in one eye! Obito just skipped straight to 2 tomoe upon awakening the eyes! Good grief! She could have at least gotten fire style or something!

The list goes on and on!

Now in terms of ranking against DBZ, here is what I think:

Some of the Rikudou level characters and a few others with unique techniques in Naruto could beat some DBZ characters, but for the most part DBZ verse > Naruto verse in terms of power.

Therefore I don't know why people hate Naruto's power levels getting higher! It is like people are discriminating against Naruto the series. They are fine with DBZ being strong. They're fine if Bleach is strong. However, Naruto's characters just have to stay pathetic little weaklings according to people!

Screw the power haters! Down with the power haters!

 

[MrLukyso]

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Instant? And Naruto, who can't react to anything that is "instant" was able to react to Sasuke's S/T jutsu.

If in fact they were instant then Sasuke would have destroyed Naruto.
If in fact, they were faster than speed of light (which is the most dumbest thing I've heard all day) then Sasuke would have hit Kaguya and not have missed her.

Glad to see that someone can actually be this dumb and claiming S/T to be faster than light. lmao what a joke. bye

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[Ansatsuken]

You fail

Naruto characters can see spirits and have dealt with spiritual pressure before remember Orochimaru and Hashirama




No Shunpo is like Shunshin it's special movement and plot related. Special speed that makes it appear as if the user has teleported and afterimages and such.

This spirit reside inside different dimension and not like Dan ghost or Edo Tensei or chakra path way that is spirit also.

Only thing possibly can see shinigami or hollow is Rinnegan eye that very rare. Sharingan or Byakugan çouldnt make it.

And no Hashirama or Oro never experienced any spiritual pressure like bleach that can kill you without need a contact. Black rod or Totsuka were not spiritual pressure.

 

[Ansatsuken]

That's only if the user wants to do it on a planetary scale which is not necessary. Yes Yhwach will see himself being blitzed light speed is mid tier in naruto

When he can see the future it will immune to that events/outcome. He can avoided it by devising a startegy because he can see the future and outcome. Ywach changing the reality/probability. Do you not understand how thing works. You continuously showing your lack of good thinking infront of me

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

You fail

Naruto characters can see spirits and have dealt with spiritual pressure before remember Orochimaru and Hashirama




No Shunpo is like Shunshin it's special movement and plot related. Special speed that makes it appear as if the user has teleported and afterimages and such.

Gotcha, I confused it with yourouichi and starrk who were so fast it appeared as teleportation. But teleportation does exist in bleach,

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DAT Aizen :Sparks:

 

[Lana Del Taka]

Bleach murks NV. Gremmy alone has most of them sent into space. Yammamotto incinerates most of NV just by standing next to them. Bleach verse outspeeds NV. Juha Bach can see through the future and make their techniques become useless. Dude with the sniper(forgot his name) oneshots Hashirama. Zombie girl can turn NV against eachother. Aizen needs no explanation. Barragan negates pretty much any ninjutsu/barrier. Dangai Ichigo was busting mountains without even trying. And there's much more. Oh and Ichibei erases everything that is black. He can literally make Kaguya weak as an ant gg.

 

[Loki d]

When he can see the future it will immune to that events/outcome. He can avoided it by devising a startegy because he can see the future and outcome. Ywach changing the reality/probability. Do you not understand how thing works. You continuously showing your lack of good thinking infront of me

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[Ansatsuken]

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No argument left from you right?:nefer:

I can bring all facts or infos about future/pre cog ability to you from many sources if you interest.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

No.6 was literally promised from the first page in the manga.

Spoiler

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If people thought that it wouldn't get to casual mountain-busting levels, then they had an incorrect assessment on what the series was.

 

[Loki d]

No argument left from you right?:nefer:

I can bring all facts or infos about future/pre cog ability to you from many sources if you interest.

I know he can negate with his precog he can even negate the negation of gold experience requiem before it negates his negation. He will negate the negation of cause and effect

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[Sennin of Logic]

Oh come on! Are the Bleach fans really using the universe exclusive arguments to say Bleach verse is stronger? Fine then. Typemoon Verse solos all the shonen jump mangas since it's literally stated by the author that no matter how strong the attack, if it doesn't have mana (which is not a martial arts energy, and while spiritual in nature, is simply magical energy converted from life force) can't hurt a servant. So following this logic, despite not having DBZ destruction, Type Moon solos DBZ! Bow before the almighty Type Moon Characters! Universe exclusive rules are fun aren't they?

 

[Brooks]

Apparently, teleportation isn't instant according to the member known as "Dannie".

This guy should be given an award.​

 

[Ansatsuken]

I know he can negate with his precog he can even negate the negation of gold experience requiem before it negates his negation. He will negate the negation of cause and effect

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Its not work like that. Precognition is not probability manipulation. But with precog power, the user can change the outcome of one moment/event when it happen because the user knew it earlier than anyone.

but

Probability manipulation can change/control the outcome of one moment/event.

Precognition

Power to perceive future events before they happen. Opposite power of Retrocognition

Capability

Users have the ability to foresee possible futures and observe what may happen. As knowledge of the future invariably causes that future to change, visions of the future are subject to frequent shifting. While not being able to select futures or travel through time, these visions may assist in possible courses of action.

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Probability Manipulation

The power to manipulate probability, causing unlikely things to happen or likely things not to happen

Capability

The user manipulates the probability of an event to happen, making unlikely things occur more often or instantly and preventing liable events from happening. They can cause and prevent both good and bad luck, sudden deaths, natural disasters, and even apocalyptic events.

User can create a finite pocket of reality-disrupting quasi-psionic force, which upon reaching its intended target, causes disturbance at the molecular-level probability field surrounding the target. Thus, unlikely phenomena will occur. Among the many phenomena are: the sudden melting of gun barrels, the spontaneous combustion of any flammable object, the rapid rust or decay of various organic and inorganic materials, the poltergeist-like deflection of an object in flight, the sudden evacuation of air from a given volume the disruption of energy transmissions and fields, and so on.



You see above. What you post before was Probability Manipulation in which Juha Bach/Yhwach doesnt have. Yhwach cant control the outcome.

Yhwach only can foresee the future and devise a strategy to prevent it from happen/effecting him. And with help from other power/abilities he can be immune to future outcome. Precognition power what he have.

And GER is above him in power. And his speed is infinite and Yhwach doesnt have the reaction speed to counter GER attack.

I ask your knowledges about something like this.

Edit:You think I'm DB or Bleach fan? No. Im not sided with any verses and I can freely defend any verses or against any verses when I found necessary.

 

[Brooks]

I think you should refrain from trying to place words into my mouth. I never said that teleportation in general wasn't instant. Teleportation is considered instant, yes, but regarding Sasuke's S/T jutsu, It's only instant to a small degree, but it's not necessarily instant in the way that your dumbass is trying to imply.

Both Naruto and Kaguya have reacted to this so called "instant" jutsu more than once, so I guess they have the ability to respond to something that is "instant"? Yeah, just think about that for a moment. If someone who isn't even fast enough to move instantaneously can react to and dodge something that is supposed to be instant, then I guess it is not really that instant. It is only instant when the user moves to a different space with the snap of a finger. The overall impact of the technique fails to be considered instant if it can't even hit it's target.

In this context, Amenotejikara can't be considered instant if characters who aren't even instantaneous to begin with can dodge this so called "instant" jutsu. It is only instant in the form that this jutsu can swap with different objects and move the user to another space, but the overall feat of this justu is not that instant considering that it has been dodged and evaded before.

That is why my point about it being compared to Bleach is crap, as if characters like Naruto and Kaguya can dodge this technique, then Stark or Byakuya would easily be able to react to this technique.

EDIT: Oh, look at that. Some butthurt member by the name of Sennin of Trash is sucking other members ass.

Then you don't consider Hiraishin as a teleportation technique since Madara dodged it by your logic?

Now, to address your point on Amenotejikara being dodged(according to you) since you completely misunderstood the difference between teleportation and strike attack.

Naruto: Sasuke was already behind Naruto when he used Amenotejikara(which is what the technique does as teleportation allows an individual to travel from one point to another)...what Naruto dodged was his strike attack(Chidori) since he has a superior reaction(now remember this has nothing to with Amenotejikara, but rather with Sasuke's strike speed).

Kaguya: Her case is different as she had the advantage with her super Gravity Dimension(making Sasuke's ability to strike difficult)...as Sasuke teleported(hence Amenotejikara's job is done) Kaguya quickly deactivated the Gravity Dimension and activated a new dimension(making it easy for her to dodge his Chidori).​