Can ftg be used to escape the Kamui dimension?

[TrollKing]

Who are these people and why are they significant?

Probably everyone else responding in this thread :lol:

 

[Demonic.]

It doesn't matter because an FTG user is too fast to be warped into Kamui ?????? but to answer the question probably not.

 

[solorflare99]

Probably everyone else responding in this thread :lol:

Not true but even if it was how is it relevant to the discussion?

 

[NarutoX28]

No evidence of it being impossible. Are you saying if Kaguya got put into kamui land she would be trapped forever?

First Kakashi's kamui isn't kakashi's kamui it's Obito's. Second their eyes are connected. None of this is relevant as you are only proving that you need kamui to enter, it does not prove that it is needed to escape.

I'm quite sure that they could sense him because they were in kaguya's main dimension. And Naruto and Sasuke are connected. Also if they were finite distances from eachother than sensing eachother in similar position wouldn't make sense. Also I do recall Naruto sensing Obito while he has intangible at one point.

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Kakashi didn't get teleported because he didn't get Minato's Chakra. He clearly didn't see the v1 cloak on kakashi after he got teleported into kamuiland.

TY and GG.

He made part of his body tangible in an attempt to grab Naruto. I don't even know what there is to discuss about that as it's clear you can't sense Obito while he's in the Kamui Dimension as Karin was unable to sense Sasuke when he was warped to the dimension as shown here:

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So your idea completely contradicts what's shown in the manga unless you want to argue that Karin is a shitty sensor which the manga states otherwise.

 

[solorflare99]

He made part of his body tangible in an attempt to grab Naruto. I don't even know what there is to discuss about that as it's clear you can't sense Obito while he's in the Kamui Dimension as Karin was unable to sense Sasuke when he was warped to the dimension as shown here:

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So your idea completely contradicts what's shown in the manga unless you want to argue that Karin is a shitty sensor which the manga states otherwise.

Karin sensing is different then Naruto's. She senses chakra, He senses emotion. Not one person could sense Kisame in Samehada, but Naruto did the moment he got KCM. So his sensing is clearly special aswell. Also if it was him becoming tangible the he might as well have just used his eyes as he would pop out of the ground before he became tangible.

 

[TrollKing]

Not true but even if it was how is it relevant to the discussion?

My point is about the double standard. While reverse summon is possible or not I care very little because manga didn't suggest that to begin with and I won't strain my head with our own logic try to find it possible, so you are free to believe that as you don't have the double standard that I'm seeing with the rest

 

[NarutoX28]

Karin sensing is different then Naruto's. She senses chakra, He senses emotion. Not one person could sense Kisame in Samehada, but Naruto did the moment he got KCM. So his sensing is clearly special aswell. Also if it was him becoming tangible the he might as well have just used his eyes as he would pop out of the ground before he became tangible.

Naruto can't sense Obito's emotions while he's in the Kamui Dimension because their own dimensions aren't connected. That's the main reason why Karin couldn't sense Sasuke's Chakra within that dimension.

Kurama's sensing is a passive trait as indicated when Naruto suddenly managed to sense Kisame's emotions without having a reason to upon initially using the form. This indicates that Naruto actually used his Chakra Sensing as he was entirely focused on sensing Obito and chakra sensing isn't a passive trait as it requires one to knead chakra whereas Kurama's sensing is passive, so clearly it wasn't considered as a viable choice if he relied on Chakra Sensing to detect Obito's presence.

But also, we have to consider the fact that if Naruto was capable of sensing his emotions within Obito's Dimension, then he would've initiated a counter before Obito even warped to his own dimension, but that wasn't the case as Naruto only managed to react once Obito's torso was exposed.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

No evidence of it being impossible. Are you saying if Kaguya got put into kamui land she would be trapped forever?

Unless you have proof that she can escape yes. she'd be stuck there. I'll wait for the proof you dont have.

First Kakashi's kamui isn't kakashi's kamui it's Obito's. Second their eyes are connected. None of this is relevant as you are only proving that you need kamui to enter, it does not prove that it is needed to escape.

Glad i drilled the point that their eyes are connected therefore only their eyes can interact in their sealed dimension as kakashi himself states.

I'm quite sure that they could sense him because they were in kaguya's main dimension. And Naruto and Sasuke are connected. Also if they were finite distances from eachother than sensing eachother in similar position wouldn't make sense. Also I do recall Naruto sensing Obito while he has intangible at one point.

nope. Naruto was able to sense him at all times. Sasuke was the only one limited by genisis dimension. Sensing wasn't a problem for naruto now was it? It was only a problem for sasuke the nonsensor.
and no he never did that. In the very scan you posted naruto only beginst to move after obito's body is half way out the floor.

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Kakashi didn't get teleported because he didn't get Minato's Chakra. He clearly didn't see the v1 cloak on kakashi after he got teleported into kamuiland.

TY and GG.

This dumbass. Eveyone that was connected to naruto's chakra got minato's chakra. That's what the whole chakra link was about. Yet kakashi didn't get jumped.

Kakashi saying "It's probably me & him" =/= no one else can interact with it, Kakashi isn't a S/T specialist either.

one of the few to have 2 space time techs under his belt and witness on a regular occasion minato's ftg.


Says he isn't knowledgeable. I fckin can't

 

[solorflare99]

Naruto can't sense Obito's emotions while he's in the Kamui Dimension because their own dimensions aren't connected. That's the main reason why Karin couldn't sense Sasuke's Chakra within that dimension.

Kurama's sensing is a passive trait as indicated when Naruto suddenly managed to sense Kisame's emotions without having a reason to upon initially using the form. This indicates that Naruto actually used his Chakra Sensing as he was entirely focused on sensing Obito and chakra sensing isn't a passive trait as it requires one to knead chakra whereas Kurama's sensing is passive, so clearly it wasn't considered as a viable choice if he relied on Chakra Sensing to detect Obito's presence.

But also, we have to consider the fact that if Naruto was capable of sensing his emotions within Obito's Dimension, then he would've initiated a counter before Obito even warped to his own dimension, but that wasn't the case as Naruto only managed to react once Obito's torso was exposed.

Since when did KCM sense chakra? Also it may be passive but it doesn't change the fact that it can be concentrated on. Closing his eyes, and the black background indicate he was trying to not get distracted by anything else and wait for the moment Obito negative intent peaked.

 

[solorflare99]

Unless you have proof that she can escape yes. she'd be stuck there. I'll wait for the proof you dont have.

Glad i drilled the point that their eyes are connected therefore only their eyes can interact in their sealed dimension as kakashi himself states.


nope. Naruto was able to sense him at all times. Sasuke was the only one limited by genisis dimension. Sensing wasn't a problem for naruto now was it? It was only a problem for sasuke the nonsensor.
and no he never did that. In the very scan you posted naruto only beginst to move after obito's body is half way out the floor.






This dumbass. Eveyone that was connected to naruto's chakra got minato's chakra. That's what the whole chakra link was about. Yet kakashi didn't get jumped.





one of the few to have 2 space time techs under his belt and witness on a regular occasion minato's ftg.


Says he isn't knowledgeable. I fckin can't

Ok so you think if Kaguya gets put in Obito dimension she is stuck. Now all your credibility has gone to shit. Obviously she would just teleport out. and to say. That I have no proof that she can, when you have no proof that she can't.

I was talking about Kaguya, Hogoromo, and Sasuke. Sorry I didn't make that clear.

Sasuke may not be a sensor but he can still feel Naruto as they are connected.

LOL I'm the dumbass yet you are wrong. Kakashi wasn't connected to Naruto's chakra. If you noticed all those who got Minato's chakra had their cloaks activated yet kakashi did not, thus he couldn't possibly have had FTG used on him.

You can clearly see that he closed his eyes when Obito was underground and knew when to jump thus he could sense him. Obito would have gotten as close as possible before becoming tangible again.

 

[NarutoX28]

Since when did KCM sense chakra? Also it may be passive but it doesn't change the fact that it can be concentrated on. Closing his eyes, and the black background indicate he was trying to not get distracted by anything else and wait for the moment Obito negative intent peaked.

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Not ridiculous at all once we consider Kurama's ability to draw in Natural Energy which heightens Kurama's senses.

The final part is a false claim as each time KCM Naruto has used it, he didn't require any amount of time to do so and displayed no need for concentration while kneading chakra actually does take time and has been shown to require some degree of focus.

 

[solorflare99]

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Not ridiculous at all once we consider Kurama's ability to draw in Natural Energy which heightens Kurama's senses.

The final part is a false claim as each time KCM Naruto has used it, he didn't require any amount of time to do so and displayed no need for concentration while kneading chakra actually does take time and has been shown to require some degree of focus.

Really? Him sensing the chakra he already has inside him does not qualify as being a chakra sensor. Maybe if you can show something other than Kurama's chakra.

Again it is simply him consentrating. IRL we don't "knead chakra", but in order impove one sense you try and stop using others. It's even proven that blind people have better senses.

 

[Great Master Minato]

one of the few to have 2 space time techs under his belt and witness on a regular occasion minato's ftg.

Says he isn't knowledgeable. I fckin can't

FTG's only limit is the mark! Wherever the mark is the user can warp there anytime he wants, there's no other condition.

Manga never stated that FTG marking should be in a specific range or place in order to work.

Also FTG can rip space & time creating a rift in it, so I see nothing to hold FTG from breaking out of Kamui land.

 

[jsss]

Yes..

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Ok so you think if Kaguya gets put in Obito dimension she is stuck. Now all your credibility has gone to shit. Obviously she would just teleport out. and to say. That I have no proof that she can, when you have no proof that she can't.

so you admit to having 0 proof yet my credibility is gone when I show you proof of it being sealed and it being only accessible by kamui.

I was talking about Kaguya, Hogoromo, and Sasuke. Sorry I didn't make that clear.

Their eyes aren't connected and kamui DEFINITELY isn't connected.
Yet

Basic summoning worked (sasuke, Harogomo)
Kamui worked (obito, kakashi)
and Sasuke's rinneshift worked.


So what does that say? Her dimensions aren't sealed.

Sasuke may not be a sensor but he can still feel Naruto as they are connected.

That means compared to naruto his sensing abilities are limited.

LOL I'm the dumbass yet you are wrong. Kakashi wasn't connected to Naruto's chakra. If you noticed all those who got Minato's chakra had their cloaks activated yet kakashi did not, thus he couldn't possibly have had FTG used on him.

Kakashi was he got a cloak like everyone else.

You can clearly see that he closed his eyes when Obito was underground and knew when to jump thus he could sense him. Obito would have gotten as close as possible before becoming tangible again.

His eyes being closed mean nothing if he dosen't start moving until obito is half way out the floor.

@bold. Kamui doesn't even work like that. Go reread the manga.

FTG's only limit is the mark! Wherever the mark is the user can warp there anytime he wants, there's no other condition.

Manga never stated that FTG marking should be in a specific range or place in order to work.

Also FTG can rip space & time creating a rift in it, so I see nothing to hold FTG from breaking out of Kamui land.

Still doesn't change him not being able to get out. As seen through kakashi.

 

[NarutoX28]

Really? Him sensing the chakra he already has inside him does not qualify as being a chakra sensor. Maybe if you can show something other than Kurama's chakra.

All right and you haven't given me a reason as to why that contradicts Naruto being a Chakra sensor.

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Again it is simply him consentrating. IRL we don't "knead chakra", but in order impove one sense you try and stop using others. It's even proven that blind people have better senses.

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Again, most experienced sensor in the manga implied that he couldn't sense Madara's presence because he wasn't kneading chakra.

Him concentrating is still an indication of Chakra Sensing regardless. He hasn't shown the need to do so with his Passive Sensing from Kurama unless you can prove otherwise while we have instances where there's a panel dedicated to sensors sensing one's chakra.

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And C also makes a point about how difficult it is to sense while fighting which makes the implication that KCM Naruto needed to concentrate to utilize his sensing properly as it's not a passive trait. While he did sense Minato while fighting against the Juubi and protecting the Shinobi Alliance, he still needed to concentrate on his sensing to better sense his opponent and better react to him as he was displayed to be very reflexive and also because Minato may have given away his presence as well due to Minato sensing Naruto's Chakra.

 

[Aznkidd]

To end the thread. Ftg is space time no jutsu.

 

[DoubleKamui]

Yeah, no.

Recall the moment Minato saved the SA from the four Bijuudamas by teleporting them outside of the barrier. This was made possible because the SA had Naruto/Kurama’s chakra which was directly linked to Minato’s chakra via a fist bump. Kakashi had this chakra too (it was stated by Sakura that the chakra didn’t run out; it existed in small amounts), and during the time of the teleportation, he was in Kamui’s dimension but he wasn’t teleported to the real world. That’s concrete proof right there that Kamui is a sealed dimension, just as the databook states. Plus, it was implied that Obito would have defeated Minato in their battle if he could succesfully teleport Minato into his dimension, which just conveys that Minato cannot escape the dimension via FTG.

 

[Red Slayer]

if he could do that it would make him Op ;d he would just leave markings in Kamuilend and teleport ppl there w/ one touch ;ddd Bobito would be surprised ;d

 

[Oblivionx]

It'd be a NO if for some weird reason sasuke had not been able to summon in Kaguya's dimension. But he was able to. And that created confusion. But from my interpretation he should be able to teleport back. When minato tried to save narusasu from obito, he didn't know mark had disappeared until he tried to teleport to it. That means he doesn't need to sense the marking or anything. He just knows that a mark is there and teleports to it. So then he will be able to teleport out of kamui land.

There is a sure way to get out of kamuiland for him though. When obito opens portal again, he can teleport back as link is established between two worlds.