KCM Naruto vs Edo Itachi

[Exaar]

Kisame is lightyears below Itachi.

The wank is real

Also smoke bombs are useless since Sharingan sees chakra.

So does the rinnegan, yet they worked against Pein, So they work here aswell.

In this fight, Itachi actually does attack and when they engage in CQC it's a 10/10 loss for Naruto here.

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[Blackdeath667]

Yes he casually had a convo with Naruto but that doesn't hinder him, it is a burden to Naruto as Itachi is fighting on Automatic. Saying Bee did well against Sasuke doesn't mean that, Itachi "punked" Bee. Itachi did attack in close quarters until Bee used his seven blades, so your point is moot. If anything bee overwhelmed Itachi close quarters and forced him to retreat.

I'm not saying Itachi loses this match I'm just saying that you are Overestimating Itachi CQC feats.

wasn't itachi warning them of his attacks? also it was hindering itachi as not only was itachi not in control of his body

i agree with the seven blades point but tbh unless the character has high tanking abilities, no many characters are gonna beat bee in CQC while he's using seven blades

 

[Great Master Minato]

People really think Itachi can keep up with KCM Naruto in CQC or even worse trump him in this area?

 

[xxSAGExx]

Location- Where they fought in the manga
Distance- Same as when they fought in the manga
Intel- Manga

I'm guessing this is War arc KM and not Naruto from the Last or Gaiden right? Anyways all 3 versions of Naruto wins. War arc Naruto is a prefect Jin people, it was never said to be the same Naruto that fought Itachi so it's war arc Naruto who gots all the powerups but is only in KM. Itachi fought Naruto after he was training a couple hours early where he uses up a lot of KM chakra and received damage, and split his chakra amongst 12 clones which means Itachi fought Naruto with only 1/13th his chakra plus the concentration that maintaining Shadow clone takes.

Naruto can also use any one of the Bijuus chakra since that power is not tied to any mode, it's a powerup Naruto got before he was given Hagoromo's Yang chakra (Rikudo Senjutsu). Naruto can also use all of the FRSs he used since he use skills he already have to use them in the first place with no training. He might not be able to use the larger scale ones since he added Senjutsu to them but he should be able to use the non-Senjutsu ones. The 1 tail or 8 tail can use sealing jutsus, Naruto's KM speed is compared to Minato's FTG so Naruto will be blitzing Edo Itachi. Edo Itachi has a lower reserve than alive Itachi since he's weaker as a Edo. Amaterasu gets dodge, pushed off as Naruto did with Sasuke, or Naruto use a jutsu to tank it for him.

Just 1 of Naruto's KM clone with 1/13th the chakra can fight Kage level ninjas. KM Naruto was able to protect himself and the whole alliance from Edo Madara+Obito powerful Katon jutsu, ninja weapons+Susanoo attacks, and the Juubi's Storm attack so KM Naruto is tanking Edo Itachi's attacks and dodging his other attacks. Naruto's chakra arms can pull Edo Itachi from underground as Gaara did Edo Madara. Naruto can either wait until Edo Itachi runs out of chakra or attack and defeat him.

 

[Blackdeath667]

Are you really think Itachi can keep up with KCM Naruto in CQC or are you just trolling?

if its war arc KCM naruto i dont see why not

both were fighting each other off without full power

 

[Rιver]

The wank is real

Hope you're not even implying it.

So does the rinnegan, yet they worked against Pein, So they work here aswell.

Pretty sure they used Shima's dust which contains chakra the first time.

On the smoke bombs. If this was true, Pain would've seen Jiraiya here. True, that Deva Path has seen chakra, or sensed it, but numerous of occasions have shown that he can't see chakra. My guess is, it's not passive.

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I'm guessing manga isn't canon to you.

 

[Great Master Minato]

if its war arc KCM naruto i dont see why not

both were fighting each other off without full power

Naruto wasn't even serious, hell he was just defending...I really doubt that Itachi can react to KCM Naruto's full speed.

 

[Xlad]

If there is one actual reason why Itachi wins, it's because he is an edo. But other than that, KCM Naruto kills his ass.

 

[Blackdeath667]

Naruto wasn't even serious, hell he was just defending...I really doubt that Itachi can react to KCM Naruto's full speed.

obito did and obito=kakashi<itachi in reaction

again itachi was not in control of his body and i doubt kabuto was trying to make itachi go for the kill as his goal was to extract the bijuu (nagato) i think he was using itachi to gauge their skills

 

[Rιver]

I even forgot Naruto got punked by Obito in CQC, yet stalemated with Kakashi.

 

[Exaar]

Hope you're not even implying it.

Implying what? That Itachi is not leagues above kisame?.

Damn straight i am

Pretty sure they used Shima's dust. And if this was true, Pain would've seen Jiraiya here.

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I'm taking about here (well it was Dust kicked up from rasengan hitting the ground and not a smoke bomb but it's basically the same thing)

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If Pein could clearly see through the smoke he would've know of naruto's transformation

And the following attack would've of surprised Deva path

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Also they couldn't see through the dust cloud as they didn't know what happened to the path that was eaten.

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I'm guessing manga isn't canon to you.

There is a large Difference between Naruto going all out in CQC compared to the scuffle we saw him have with Itachi.

While keeping in mind naruto had already split his KCM chakra into many clones that he sent off to the alliance army

 

[Great Master Minato]

obito did and obito=kakashi<itachi in reaction

again itachi was not in control of his body and i doubt kabuto was trying to make itachi go for the kill as his goal was to extract the bijuu (nagato) i think he was using itachi to gauge their skills

By what evidence Itachi is above Obito in reaction time?
Also Obito was trolling Naruto with Intangibility, Kamui is hax!
I seriously hope you're not implying that Obito without Kamui can handle KCM Naruto.
Plus War Arc Obito >> Itachi.

 

[Blackdeath667]

Implying what? That Itachi is not leagues above kisame?.

Damn straight i am

itachi solos kisame any day of the week



I'm taking about here (well it was Dust kicked up from rasengan hitting the ground and not a smoke bomb but it's basically the same thing)

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If Pein could clearly see through the smoke he would've know of naruto's transformation

And the following attack would've of surprised Deva path

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Also they couldn't see through the dust cloud as they didn't know what happened to the path that was eaten.

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There is a large Difference between Naruto going all out in CQC compared to the scuffle we saw him have with Itachi.
so itachi was going all out and in control of his body?
While keeping in mind naruto had already split his KCM chakra into many clones that he sent off to the alliance army

this is true but obito shitted on naruto in CQC while matching kakashi... itachi> kakashi in CQC

 

[Rιver]

Implying what? That Itachi is not leagues above kisame?.

Damn straight i am

Does Itachi need to punk Madara in CQC too? Because B got punked by Itachi, and Kisame got punked by B. Two leagues ahead there son.

I'm taking about here

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If Pein could clearly see through the smoke he would've know of naruto's transformation

And the following attack would've of surprised Deva path

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Also they couldn't see through the dust cloud as they didn't know what happened to the path that was eaten.

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Yeah I know what you are talking about. Mind explaining why Deva didn't see Narutos clones here:

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Or see Kakashi here:

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As I said, my guess is it isn't passive or the chakra he saw was just too visible for naked eye. This has been debunked many times.

EDIT: The dust cloud contains chakra, so automatically it blinds chakra based vision.

There is a large Difference between Naruto going all out in CQC compared to the scuffle we saw him have with Itachi.

While keeping in mind naruto had already split his KCM chakra into many clones that he sent off to the alliance army

Do I really need to explain myself more? KCM Naruto got destroyed by Obito who stalemated Kakashi, was unable to hit Itachi with B's aid even once, and got punked by all Jinchuurikis.

KCM Naruto is not anything out ordinary in CQC, and he's been destroyed by pretty much everyone he's encountered in CQC. Only thing he has is strength and speed, but not the skill to outmaneuver Itachi who literally dodged casually his attacks as well as B's.

 

[Blackdeath667]

By what evidence Itachi is above Obito in reaction time?
Also Obito was trolling Naruto with Intangibility, Kamui is hax!
I seriously hope you're not implying that Obito without Kamui can handle KCM Naruto.

he matched kakashi who is below itachi in CQC
no he doesn't but thats because strength to deal with naruto.. kinda like deva path when he engage sm naruto in CQC

itachi being faster, having better reaction time then obito will allow him to deal with naruto alot easier

 

[Apêx1]

You say this as if genjutsu is going to be that big of a deal, but I really isn't. Both times Naruto was put into genjutsu by Itachi he was in Base, & he was able to tell he was under genjutsu.[

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], so being "incapable of telling chakra flow" is moot. Especially considering when under genjutsu the person/clone stops moving. Which is a dead giveaway. [

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And did Naruto have the capacity to escape either of them? No. Did Itachi try to hurt Naruto like, say, he tried to hurt Orochimaru? No, he was only stalling him and spiritually breaking him down by showing him things he loves/talking to him in Genjutsu. He was not actually trying to inflict damage like he did against Orochimaru. Not to mention, Itachi can do what Sasuke did to Danzo. Change a single factor in the fight and keep everything else consistent with real life. The clones thus will not know they are under Genjutsu in the first place. And you act like Itachi will watch Naruto break out his clones from Genjutsu smh. The second Naruto's clones are placed into Genjutsu, Itachi either one shots them with Yasaka Magatama or uses his Susano's sword to blitz them all. Stop treating Itachi like he's a low-intellect Mongolian comparable to the likes of Naruto.

I think you misunderstood Beans here. I'm pretty sure he was referring to the fact that Naruto's KCM bunshins with only a 13th of his total chakra was shown able to go

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. KCSM wasn't said nor has it been shown outside of the Last Naruto movie. Now to address this post.. First & foremost there is no mention in the OP as to which KCM Naruto this is. It doesn't say the one that encountered Nagato & Itachi, thus we can assume he gets his war feats.

Ok fair enough. But KCM Naruto barely has any feat wars since it was BM Naruto 99% of the time. Guess KCSM is out the window and thus Naruto loses with less difficulty then I imagined. Although the context in which OP stipulated, he wanted everything to be the same it was at the Nagato vs Bee/Itachi/Naruto occasion. Except it'd be Naruto vs Itachi instead of Nagato.

Not to mention Itachi reacting to KCM Naruto's shunshin is doubtful considering Naruto could

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from 10-15 meters away, Even Ay in his lightning armor which improves his speeds & reactions by speeding up the synapses

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. Amaterasu is not a problem at all, because a clone can enter SM and warn the others with sensing when Amaterasu is going to be fired off, thus allowing Naruto & co to shunshin, or throw smoke bombs blocking LOS.

Kisame was not looking, but I agree he could blitz. Doesn't change the fact that Itachi not only has better reaction speed (reacted to Kirin) but he also has his Mangekyo Sharingan which gives him pre-cognition. And based on the fight they were being portrayed as equals CQC wise, so I don't really see Itachi being affected much by Naruto's speed, especially if you consider his ability to use a Susano variant far before Naruto reaches his location, and smash him with it. But lol at Ay not reacting to Naruto. That literally has to be the biggest twisting of a manga scan I have seen to date barring KH's arguments. Naruto was reflexive enough to react to Ay's v2. Anyways, this scan proves that Naruto would've been hit by Amaterasu had it been aimed at him [

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]. He clearly hadn't even seen the flames moving, he started jumping away after that because he knew he couldn't dodge it, so he probably went to hide (Ay could dodge it with superior reactions). When the Amaterasu did not hit Naruto he was surprised because he knew its speed would be too great for him to dodge, but it was his lucky day because it wasn't aimed at him. Same thing happens here, Naruto dosn't dodge it. Having a SM clone won't help, he obviously knew it was going to happen long before based on his remarks. Lol at smoke bombs though. Didn't do it last time so he won't do it this time.

Itachi isn't keeping up his V4 forever despite the infinite chakra as he needs to regen his reserves. Not to mention KCM Naruto & his clones will not be standing around close to Itachi while he's sitting in his V4. Seeing as when Madara busted out V3 Susanoo Naruto decided to

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(Meaning he knew it was best to fight him from a distance)

Uh what? It's not infinite chakra, it's infinitely regenerative. You can only use as much chakra as you would while alive in one go. But otherwise your chakra regenerates far faster then you lose chakra. Susano does not even take that much chakra, so the regeneration will obviously trump the exertion of chakra dramatically. It's not like it regens only when he's not using Susano smh. And Naruto knowing its best to fight from a distance won't change the fact that Madara's Totsuka can extend like Orochimaru's Kusanagi can. It has no physical form, so it extends as much as the user wants it to (in addition to it being Kusanagi's variant).

Naruto can also gain Massive distance by

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Which will lead to them being hit by Amaterasu as they cannot evade it in mid-air (or on the ground). Also, by summoning the Toads Naruto has effectively granted Itachi control of 3 Bijuu sized summons (Sharingan controls them). Thanks.

Itachi's crows catching Naruto in KCM or his bunshins in KCM is doubtful as well. They only successfully did it to Base Naruto. This would be like Madara vs Ay or Ay Vs Sasuke All over again. Neither was unable to catch Ay in a visual genjutsu until Ay got distracted, & then Madara forcefully did it. Itachi won't be able to do Considering his movement speed is above V1 ay. Considering

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it should be easy to come to the conclusion that KCM Naruto is faster.

Naruto can also use

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wrecking V1-2 doing moderate damage to V3.

Uh what? Only because Base Naruto is slower then KCM Naruto he is also somehow more prone to being hit by Genjutsu? Makes sense lmao.

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They've distracted DSM Kabuto enough for Itachi to land a hit on him and it distracted EMS Sasuke and Hebi Sasuke. Obviously low tier or high tier is irrelevant as they will follow you, they will flock you, and the Sharingan eye will look at you. And stop using Ay as an example. Madara was not even trying to stomp them, he was entertaining them. Itachi, on the other hand, puts everyone he fights into Genjutsu the second they look at him. Deidara from second one, Orochimaru from second one, Sasuke from second one, Killer Bee from second one. Here's 4 people who are far more intelligent then Naruto being put into Genjutsu from the very first second of the fight. And do note Naruto's been put into Genjutsu three times, only because he's faster and stronger due to a Kyuubi enhancement does not mean he's any less prone to Genjutsu, as his low-intelligence will surely fail him again.

Just lol at that logic. Naruto could react because of his SM, has nothing to do with movement speed. If you are suggesting this scan portrays them being equal speed then I guess Bee and v2 Ay clashing with Lariats puts them at equal speed, lol. So no, SM Naruto is nowhere close to v1 Ay speed.

Naruto needs to be above Itachi to use FCD. 1. He will never get above Itachi without being put into Genjutsu or getting smashed with Totsuka. 2. v3 Susano tanks FCD like it didn't even happen. Anyways, this fight will be Itachi camping in his v4+Totsuka+Yata. He's not losing this, ever.

 

[Rιver]

Yes he casually had a convo with Naruto but that doesn't hinder him, it is a burden to Naruto as Itachi is fighting on Automatic. Saying Bee did well against Sasuke doesn't mean that, Itachi "punked" Bee. Itachi did attack in close quarters until Bee used his seven blades, so your point is moot. If anything bee overwhelmed Itachi close quarters and forced him to retreat.

I'm not saying Itachi loses this match I'm just saying that you are Overestimating Itachi CQC feats.

I'm using canon feats. If B really overwhelmed Itachi, he would've fallen. Only reason he retreated was to get KA on himself, and really makes zero sense if B didn't land a hit at first, gets overwhelmed by Itachi's Shunshin and suddenly forces retreat.

 

[Exaar]

this is true but obito shitted on naruto in CQC while matching kakashi... itachi> kakashi in CQC

Yeah because obito was clearly using Kamui in his battle with Kakashi... Oh wait. Also Obito clearly didn't state he wanted kakashi to destory the seal on his heart.... Oh wait.

Also itachi does defeat kisame more than not, But kisame has his chances to kill itachi.

Does Itachi need to punk Madara in CQC too? Because B got punked by Itachi, and Kisame got punked by B. Two leagues ahead there son.

I'm not sure you know was "getting punked" Means.

Anyway, B did not het "punked", In the end he Forced Itachi to retreat to one of Nagato's summon once he pulled out his Sword style.

Second, Kisame did not get "punked" by bee, At least not in his Bee in his Base form (same form he fought itachi in). Kisame held his ground perfectly fine. He only started taking hits when bee started using his Bijuu cloak (a form which he didn't use against itachi)

This has been debunked many times.

I don't care if it's been debunked by fans.

In the cannon, An eye that can see chakra, Failed to do so when vision is blocked by Smoke/Dust.

Do I really need to explain myself more? KCM Naruto got destroyed by Obito who stalemated Kakashi, was unable to hit Itachi with B's aid even once, and got punked by all Jinchuurikis.

As i relpied to the other person

"Yeah because obito was clearly using Kamui in his battle with Kakashi... Oh wait. Also Obito clearly didn't state he wanted kakashi to destory the seal on his heart.... Oh wait."

Itachi who literally dodged casually his attacks as well as B's.

Thats simply you assuming Naruto went all out. He was talking to itachi, Didn't use chakra arms (which in cannon cannot be predicted by sharingan Pre-cog), Didn't use clones, Nor the speed he used to Dodge A/Blitz kisame. While he was also fighting less chakra than his normal self due to having multiple clones heading to the battle field.

 

[Lariatoo]

Yeah...
After reading this debate Im pretty sure that Edo Itachi wins...

 

[Great Master Minato]

he matched kakashi who is below itachi in CQC
no he doesn't but thats because strength to deal with naruto.. kinda like deva path when he engage sm naruto in CQC

itachi being faster, having better reaction time then obito will allow him to deal with naruto alot easier

1)Obito didn't use Kamui against Kakashi while he trolled Naruto only because of Kamui.
2)Obito didn't want to win that fight, in fact he wanted Kakashi to beat him on purpose. (destroying Madara's seal)
3)You're yet to prove that Itachi > Obito in reaction time, there's no feat that suggests it nor does Itachi portrayed to be top tier in speed.