KCM Naruto vs Edo Itachi

[Beans2]

Location- Where they fought in the manga
Distance- Same as when they fought in the manga
Intel- Manga

 

[Apêx1]

Edo Itachi spanks him. He's not even immune to Genjutsu at that point, and he said it himself; getting hit by Tsukiyomi or Amaterasu is the end.

 

[Beans2]

Edo Itachi spanks him. He's not even immune to Genjutsu at that point, and he said it himself; getting hit by Tsukiyomi or Amaterasu is the end.

...Come on chief you're better than this.

Shadow clones. Sensing. Shunshin. Sage Mode. You really think Itachi is landing Tsukuyomi on someone with all these things? Amaterasu is blocked by chakra cloak like in canon.

 

[Lariatoo]

Itachi would definitly win at that point of the manga. No BFF with the Kurama means no breaking of genjutsu and intel to not look at Itachi's eyes doesen't mean much since he tried to Rasengan Nagato knowing about Preta Path.

 

[Chaosmark101]

Naruto wins this.

- He is superior in CQC, due to chakra arms, his cloak, & rasengan variants.

- Has superior ninjutsu & long range capability in the form of Rasenshuriken, Odama Rasenshuriken, & Cho Odama Rasenshuriken.

- Genjutsu is a non factor as KCM Naruto could make 13 KB's when he wasn't friendly with Kurama, & when they became friends he gained genjutsu immunity from being a PJ.

Only problem here is he can't exactly seal him, unless the Tori seal works

Edit: Forgot to mention one of KCM Naruto's clones was shown being able to go SM after firing off Rasenshuriken, & attempting TBB rasengan.

That SM clones could warn naruto & co of incoming Amaterasu like Nagato did

 

[Apêx1]

...Come on chief you're better than this.

Shadow clones. Sensing. Shunshin. Sage Mode. You really think Itachi is landing Tsukuyomi on someone with all these things? Amaterasu is blocked by chakra cloak like in canon.

Shadow clones can still be put into Genjutsu, and Itachi's crows can be transcripted a 3T Genjutsu so that they can put the clones into Genjutsu at large numbers. Naruto is incapable of sensing chakra flow, so he will never know when his clones are under Genjutsu or not. Tsukiyomi can be transcripted into crows too btw.

Didn't know he was being given SM though, thought this was the same KCM Nardo that fought Itachi but as the original.. Because that one was clearly incapable of doing it since he didn't use didn't use KCM when entering SM against the Sandaime, he used it as a base SM. KCSM might change quite a bit though..
Shunshin is irrelevant as long as Itachi can react to it with his Karasu Bunshin's and Susano variants. And Naruto does not have chakra cloak, he only has his KCM which is incapable of blocking Amaterasu nor can it be thrown away like a chakra cloak. Naruto said it - being hit by Amaterasu=the end. Stop denying that fact, because even if it isn't applicable to other characters it's certainly applicable to him.

Anyways, Yata v4 Susano is not being bypassed, nor are the clones going to be able to continuously evade Totsuka thrusts and swipes. Itachi releases 3T Genjutsu transcripted crows while Naruto is creating Kage Bunshin's. Several of the Kage Bunshin's are put into Genjutsu while Itachi ignites them with a large Amaterasu/blitzes them with his Totsuka. Real Naruto won't know why they didn't evade and could be caught by surprise with Itachi's Genjutsu (always acts upon distraction ie vs Bee, Nagato, Sasuke, Kabuto, etc.). Also, Itachi has an overall understanding of when it's a clone and when it's an original [

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[LuckyMan]

Naruto wrecks him. COFRS ends him.

 

[Raykyryn]

Naruto destroys him.

 

[Chaosmark101]

Shadow clones can still be put into Genjutsu, and Itachi's crows can be transcripted a 3T Genjutsu so that they can put the clones into Genjutsu at large numbers. Naruto is incapable of sensing chakra flow, so he will never know when his clones are under Genjutsu or not. Tsukiyomi can be transcripted into crows too btw.

You say this as if genjutsu is going to be that big of a deal, but I really isn't. Both times Naruto was put into genjutsu by Itachi he was in Base, & he was able to tell he was under genjutsu.[

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Didn't know he was being given SM though, thought this was the same KCM Nardo that fought Itachi but as the original.. Because that one was clearly incapable of doing it since he didn't use didn't use KCM when entering SM against the Sandaime, he used it as a base SM. KCSM might change quite a bit though..
Shunshin is irrelevant as long as Itachi can react to it with his Karasu Bunshin's and Susano variants. And Naruto does not have chakra cloak, he only has his KCM which is incapable of blocking Amaterasu nor can it be thrown away like a chakra cloak. Naruto said it - being hit by Amaterasu=the end. Stop denying that fact, because even if it isn't applicable to other characters it's certainly applicable to him.

I think you misunderstood Beans here. I'm pretty sure he was referring to the fact that Naruto's KCM bunshins with only a 13th of his total chakra was shown able to go

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. KCSM wasn't said nor has it been shown outside of the Last Naruto movie. Now to address this post.. First & foremost there is no mention in the OP as to which KCM Naruto this is. It doesn't say the one that encountered Nagato & Itachi, thus we can assume he gets his war feats.

Not to mention Itachi reacting to KCM Naruto's shunshin is doubtful considering Naruto could

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from 10-15 meters away, Even Ay in his lightning armor which improves his speeds & reactions by speeding up the synapses

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. Amaterasu is not a problem at all, because a clone can enter SM and warn the others with sensing when Amaterasu is going to be fired off, thus allowing Naruto & co to shunshin, or throw smoke bombs blocking LOS.

Anyways, Yata v4 Susano is not being bypassed, nor are the clones going to be able to continuously evade Totsuka thrusts and swipes. Itachi releases 3T Genjutsu transcripted crows while Naruto is creating Kage Bunshin's. Several of the Kage Bunshin's are put into Genjutsu while Itachi ignites them with a large Amaterasu/blitzes them with his Totsuka. Real Naruto won't know why they didn't evade and could be caught by surprise with Itachi's Genjutsu (always acts upon distraction ie vs Bee, Nagato, Sasuke, Kabuto, etc.). Also, Itachi has an overall understanding of when it's a clone and when it's an original [

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]. Probably due to his ability to read his opponent which Kabuto noted [

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], and Itachi displayed [

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]. Thus he will have a far higher change of hitting the real Naruto then what it would be had it been random guessing.

Itachi isn't keeping up his V4 forever despite the infinite chakra as he needs to regen his reserves. Not to mention KCM Naruto & his clones will not be standing around close to Itachi while he's sitting in his V4. Seeing as when Madara busted out V3 Susanoo Naruto decided to

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(Meaning he knew it was best to fight him from a distance)

Naruto can also gain Massive distance by

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Itachi's crows catching Naruto in KCM or his bunshins in KCM is doubtful as well. They only successfully did it to Base Naruto. This would be like Madara vs Ay or Ay Vs Sasuke All over again. Neither was unable to catch Ay in a visual genjutsu until Ay got distracted, & then Madara forcefully did it. Itachi won't be able to do Considering his movement speed is above V1 ay. Considering

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it should be easy to come to the conclusion that KCM Naruto is faster.

Naruto can also use

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wrecking V1-2 doing moderate damage to V3.

 

[Zexion~]

Itachi wrecks Naruto's punk ass.

 

[solorflare99]

Specifically war arc Naruto, or is EoS(Chapter 699) Naruto?

 

[Gold Lightning]

Naruto wrecks him. But is unable to seal him, so Itachi wins eventually.

 

[solorflare99]

Itachi's crows can be transcripted a 3T Genjutsu so that they can put the clones into Genjutsu at large numbers.
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When did Itachi ever do that, besides the time the crow already had Shisui eye in it's socket. That crow doesn't count towards Edo Itachi as is already out of his possession by that time.

 

[Rιver]

You say this as if genjutsu is going to be that big of a deal, but I really isn't. Both times Naruto was put into genjutsu by Itachi he was in Base, & he was able to tell he was under genjutsu.[

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], so being "incapable of telling chakra flow" is moot. Especially considering when under genjutsu the person/clone stops moving. Which is a dead giveaway. [

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]. This allows Naruto or his Kage bunshins to go to the immobilized clone & wake them up through

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Shadow Clones go poof when ones original body is in genjutsu, so this whole paragraph is irrelevant. His best bet is Kurama.

Not to mention Itachi reacting to KCM Naruto's shunshin is doubtful considering Naruto could

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from 10-15 meters away, Even Ay in his lightning armor which improves his speeds & reactions by speeding up the synapses

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. Amaterasu is not a problem at all, because a clone can enter SM and warn the others with sensing when Amaterasu is going to be fired off, thus allowing Naruto & co to shunshin, or throw smoke bombs blocking LOS.

Last time I checked, KCM Naruto and B got punked by Itachi in CQC, and Kisame got blitzed by B. Kisame is lightyears below Itachi. and he is definitely better in CQC, only advantage Naruto has over Itachi is his Shunshin. Also smoke bombs are useless since Sharingan sees chakra.

Itachi isn't keeping up his V4 forever despite the infinite chakra as he needs to regen his reserves. Not to mention KCM Naruto & his clones will not be standing around close to Itachi while he's sitting in his V4. Seeing as when Madara busted out V3 Susanoo Naruto decided to

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(Meaning he knew it was best to fight him from a distance)

Because Itachi will sit in his V4 too. What stops him from targeting the one going for SM?

Naruto can also gain Massive distance by

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. Itachi's crows catching Naruto in KCM or his bunshins in KCM is doubtful as well. They only successfully did it to Base Naruto. This would be like Madara vs Ay or Ay Vs Sasuke All over again. Neither was unable to catch Ay in a visual genjutsu until Ay got distracted, & then Madara forcefully did it. Itachi won't be able to do Considering his movement speed is above V1 ay. Considering

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it should be easy to come to the conclusion that KCM Naruto is faster.

Visual genjutsu was not needed, he had intel and still got caught.

Naruto can also use

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wrecking V1-2 doing moderate damage to V3.

Considering Madara's V3 tanked easily BSM Naruto's tail attack, which is the strongest part of his tail and is > Bunta/Hiro, this isn't happening. And 9 Bijuus slapped his tail, causing this which only made him lose his arm:

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[Chaosmark101]

Shadow Clones go poof when ones original body is in genjutsu, so this whole paragraph is irrelevant. His best bet is Kurama.

Scan? Also considering the OP doesn't state Naruto isn't a PJ when he did in fact become one that renders genjutsu in it's entirety useless, glad you agree.

Last time I checked, KCM Naruto and B got punked by Itachi in CQC, and Kisame got blitzed by B. Kisame is lightyears below Itachi. and he is definitely better in CQC, only advantage Naruto has over Itachi is his Shunshin. Also smoke bombs are useless since Sharingan sees chakra.

The underlined is hilarious. Naruto wasn't fighting Itachi seriously they were having a

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:lol While they were conversing in the air

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If anyone was murking Naruto there in CQC it was Nagato.
Also how was Bee getting murked by Itachi in CQC if he had him

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Also your point about smoke bombs is meaning less because

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, that didn't help

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, in the pitch black of

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Because Itachi will sit in his V4 too. What stops him from targeting the one going for SM?

the fact that he has to face 12 other KCM Naruto's running around throwing FRS at his ass?
The clone going SM can easily hide behind a tree or summon Ma & Pa if he needs too. And prep Gama Rinsho. Which is GG

Visual genjutsu was not needed, he had intel and still got caught.

Naruto had no intel on Itachi's crow summons with Sharingan genjutsu if your referring to when they met before Itachi fought sasuke.

& Against Itachi h Nagato Naruto wasn't under genjutsu once.

All this doesn't even mention how much KCM Naruto improved during the war.

Considering Madara's V3 tanked easily BSM Naruto's tail attack, which is the strongest part of his tail and is > Bunta/Hiro, this isn't happening. And 9 Bijuus slapped his tail, causing this which only made him lose his arm:

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I love this one :lol using a transmigrant of Indra who has far stronger chakra than Itachi. Was revived past his prime with Hashi roids. Senjutsu boost from Hashirama & Hagoromo's chakra as reference that Itachi's V3 can tank FCD? Get outta here with that garbage.

 

[solorflare99]

Even Ay in his lightning armor which improves his speeds & reactions by speeding up the synapses

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There is a huge difference between someone dodging an attack and someone moving so fast the other cannot react.
A easily could have seen him move but once at full speed their isn't much he can do about it, he is at the mercy of his own momentum. That is why chidori requires sharingan. Look at A vs Sasuke, Do you think A couldn't react to Sasuke when Sasuke was using chidori? Of course A could see him dodge his elbow strike, but not much he could about, as oppose to Sasuke who could predict the movement, thus could dodge elbow bolt.

Last time I checked, KCM Naruto and B got punked by Itachi in CQC, and Kisame got blitzed by B. Kisame is lightyears below Itachi.

Don't ya think you are exaggerating? Naruto and bee weren't going all out CQC. Itachi never countered his seven blades, only retreated, and Naruto wasn't even using shunshin and was occupied with Nagato aswell.

 

[Rιver]

Don't ya think you are exaggerating? Naruto and bee weren't going all out CQC. Itachi never countered his seven blades, only retreated, and Naruto wasn't even using shunshin and was occupied with Nagato aswell.

Itachi did counter. Mind the SFX:

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''Klang-klang-klang''

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They're exactly the same. Only difference is, Itachi fled out of the battle in midway. Sasuke was completely frozen and got stabbed. But he displayed equal Kenjutsu skills there, and he has shown to be better than Sasuke in CQC too.

Also, the fact that B had to resort to that technique tells that he wasn't joking. Nor was Naruto, and Naruto never had amazing CQC skills anyway from what I remember.

 

[solorflare99]

Itachi did counter. Mind the SFX:

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''Klang-klang-klang''

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They're exactly the same. Only difference is, Itachi fled out of the battle in midway. Sasuke was completely frozen and got stabbed. But he displayed equal Kenjutsu skills there, and he has shown to be better than Sasuke in CQC too.

Also, the fact that B had to resort to that technique tells that he wasn't joking. Nor was Naruto, and Naruto never had amazing CQC skills anyway from what I remember.

Yeah I don't see how being on the defensive is "Punking" someone in CQC. As I said before he retreated.

 

[Rιver]

Yeah I don't see how being on the defensive is "Punking" someone in CQC. As I said before he retreated.

The fact that he didn't even do anything tells enough, he casually had a conversation with Naruto while he blocked/dodged every single one of their attack. And it was not just KCM Naruto, but also B who punked Sasuke in CQC. Can't see how you can downplay a direct feat like that.

In this fight, Itachi actually does attack and when they engage in CQC it's a 10/10 loss for Naruto here.

 

[solorflare99]

The fact that he didn't even do anything tells much, he casually had a conversation with Naruto and blocked/dodged every single one of their attack. And it was not just KCM Naruto, but also B who punked Sasuke in CQC.

In this fight, Itachi actually does attack and when they engage in CQC it's a 10/10 loss for Naruto here.

Yes he casually had a convo with Naruto but that doesn't hinder him, it is a burden to Naruto as Itachi is fighting on Automatic. Saying Bee did well against Sasuke doesn't mean that, Itachi "punked" Bee. Itachi did attack in close quarters until Bee used his seven blades, so your point is moot. If anything bee overwhelmed Itachi close quarters and forced him to retreat.

I'm not saying Itachi loses this match I'm just saying that you are Overestimating Itachi CQC feats.