Establishing why MS Madara > Either Raikage

[Unorthodox]

Irrelevant. Because Alive Madara post EMS>>Alive Madara post MS assuming they are both brought back blind when it comes to physical ability due to chakra

2 blind Madara are equal what extra chakra does Madara have i hope your talking about Hashirama's face? if so no that's Hashirama's dna not chakra presence also no not having clue how it would increase his speed pure speculation.

No, because MS Madara is not Blind Madara, nor do you have any logical reason to assume that chakra absorption was always in Madara's arsenal.

Why would i have no reason to assume chakra absorption has not always been in his arsenal or atleast since his Mangekyou sharingan days it requires no sharingan present meaning he would have roughly earned it during his 3-tomoe - Ms periode of time because why he seek out absorption around the time had his ems when 1 he already lost to Hashirama meaning that power as puny as absorption would add nothing new 2 Madara was still close to Hashirama's power meaning he had atleast used perfect susanoo and failed so he opted to gain Kurama to further his power.

Hashirama is not relevant.

He actually is

This is an assumption. Lol. Hashirama isn't his only opponent, so why would he only master abilities that would work in a battle with Hashirama? What's worse is that he can absorb from people, so in CQC it'd actually help.

Hashirama being the only opponent is not relevant when he though Hashirama was the only man who could even pose a threat to him and Madara believe that firmly so going out they're to create a new ninjutsu that would have no purpose against Hashirama is something he would not do.

Another assumption. Do I have to show you what real evidence looks like? Not to mention you are using the same argument the people who claim Sharingan sees Mu use.

It maybe an assumption but its not entirely based off nothing, its much different then sharingan being able to sen muu considering muu hides everything even a chakra presence.What i said holds much more water then you saying he did not have it for the sake of your argument.

Lmao. Not sure what Manga you, River, and your bestie TRE MERCER read, but Mini Bijuu Dama the size of a golf ball is not a full sized Bijuu Dama. What's worse is that elemental advantage literally has jack to do with anything since Uchiha Gaeshi isn't Wind vs. Raiton here, it is Raiton being absorbed and converted to wind.

Size does not equal power so majority of this post is pointless it was implied that Mini bijuu dama is stronger than frs considering Naruto opted to use it once the frs failed to take the 3rd raikage down him using it in his Bijuu mode would even be stronger then him using in his km form. Never said Gunbai was a wind attack i was saying it absorbing and converting things into wind should be easier since wind has a natural advantage over lighting

Maybe if I didn't read the Manga I'd agree with this.

Maybe if you could understand the manga you would agree with me

 

[KidGamer65]

2 blind Madara are equal what extra chakra does Madara have i hope your talking about Hashirama's face? if so no that's Hashirama's dna not chakra presence also no not having clue how it would increase his speed pure speculation.

EMS=Both MS user's chakras. Sasuke clearly stated "I can feel Itachi's power flowing into me". Boost in chakra strength=Boost in speed. That's why EMS Sasuke's speed feats shit on MS Sasuke's. That's why Sasuke got faster after getting Rikudo's chakra.

Why would i have no reason to assume chakra absorption has not always been in his arsenal or atleast since his Mangekyou sharingan days it requires no sharingan present meaning he would have roughly earned it during his 3-tomoe - Ms periode of time because why he seek out absorption around the time had his ems when 1 he already lost to Hashirama meaning that power as puny as absorption would add nothing new 2 Madara was still close to Hashirama's power meaning he had atleast used perfect susanoo and failed so he opted to gain Kurama to further his power.

No, it requiring no Sharingan means that it requires no Sharingan. That doesn't say anything about when he got it. Literally makes zero sense. The rest is the same assumption dragged on for literally no reason. Stop assuming that Madara grows only to fight Hashirama. Lol. He obviously learned Shadow Clones before his fight w/ Hashirama, despite knowing that clones would be useless in a fight against him. Bad logic. Don't use it.

He actually is

He's not.

Hashirama being the only opponent is not relevant when he though Hashirama was the only man who could even pose a threat to him and Madara believe that firmly so going out they're to create a new ninjutsu that would have no purpose against Hashirama is something he would not do.

Please read above.

It maybe an assumption but its not entirely based off nothing, its much different then sharingan being able to sen muu considering muu hides everything even a chakra presence.What i said holds much more water then you saying he did not have it for the sake of your argument.

No, it doesn't hold any weight at all.

1. You claim that he must of learned it before getting EMS, because it doesn't use Sharingan. Makes no sense.

2. You claim that he must've always had it or had it early on since learning it to fight Hashirama is pointless, even though most of the techniques he uses are pointless against Hashirama, yet he still learns them. Shadow Clones are one of them.

3. Absorption isn't useless against Hashirama when in small scale combat.

Size does not equal power so majority of this post is pointless it was implied that Mini bijuu dama is stronger than frs considering Naruto opted to use it once the frs failed to take the 3rd raikage down him using it in his Bijuu mode would even be stronger then him using in his km form. Never said Gunbai was a wind attack i was saying it absorbing and converting things into wind should be easier since wind has a natural advantage over lighting

Size of a Bijuu Dama does equal power when talking about the same exact person. Mini Bijuu Dama was never implied to be stronger than FRS. Read that scan again. Naruto was trying to charge up a full sized Bijuu Dama since Hachibi told him that Bijuu Dama might've been used. However, he couldn't charge up a full sized Bijuu Dama. What's even worse is that his ball was still far larger than a Mini Bijuu Dama yet he was still trying to charge it up further. It being getting more powerful in BM doesn't make it as strong or stronger than Rasen Shuriken when literally nothing agrees with that conclusion.


But the bold doesn't make sense. Elemental superiority only works when it's element vs. element.

 

[NarutoX28]

Why does it not? Because it benefits your argument huh? Absorbtion logical would be a technique he learned earlier 1 giving that fact that Hashirama knew a wood dragon can surpress absorbtion powers when he restrained Edo Madara. 2. EMS Madara would only work on his new abilities from his sharingan considering absorbtion is useless against mokuton in general. 3 Madara defeated to jinton user without breaking a sweat or using Perfect susanoo absorbtion had to play a role.

Hashirama used common sense and counteracted Preta's Absorption with his own absorption technique, so Madara would therefore be absorbing little to no chakra at all. The fact that Hashirama was surprised that he could absorb ninjutsu implies that Madara never had that ability before in the first place.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I have a question to those who uses Blind Madara blitzing SM Naruto as a feat.

Since Base RSM Naruto blitz 1 eye R. Juubi Madara, wouldnt a powered down SM Naruto be able to replicate that to Base Madara, or even Sharingan Madara?

 

[Rιver]

I have a question to those who uses Blind Madara blitzing SM Naruto as a feat.

Since Base RSM Naruto blitz 1 eye R. Juubi Madara, wouldnt a powered down SM Naruto be able to replicate that to Base Madara, or even Sharingan Madara?

Base RSM Naruto didn't blitz Madara.

 

[NarutoX28]

Juubidara was weakened, hence why he couldn't even strike Base RSM Naruto. However, RSM Naruto was also enhanced by KN0 regardless and the fact that Juubidara's Limbo easily reacted to his RSM Naruto's speed implies that Juubidara could not be blitzed.

 

[RedRobin]

IMO Madara gained his absorption abilities from being connected to the god tree for so long but even if not that he only gained them till after he disappeared from the world.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Base RSM Naruto didn't blitz Madara.

Well considering SM Naruto blocked Base Madara and knock him off his feet.

J. Madara was behind a tree so that couldnt have happen to him.

 

[ARGUS]

Third raikage beats him mid diff

The only thing madara has going for him is susanoo which is nothing infront of nukite and can not hurt the third at all
The strain of overusing MS is taking a greater toll on madaras reactions and his susanoo is not fast enough to evade the raikages attacks so it's bound to get wrecked
Genjutsu shouldn't be happening either when we saw V1 ay combat 5 madaras with legged susanoos and still wasn't caught until he was distracted by tsunades injury

Madara being faster makes no difference when he's still likely to get tagged one time or the other and he is never wining the outlasting game here. Not when he has to suffer the ms drawbacks

Against Ay he can probably win. But ay can outlast if he plays it smart

 

[Apêx1]

By believing Sandaime tanked a TBB you are effectively saying that Nukite>>>TBB, which makes no sense.

@KIFF Only because Madara was playing around does not mean that he could not have initiated Genjutsu earlier. He wasn't fighting to end them from second 1, he was fighting to entertain his own new abilities along with the Gokage's abilities. Ay has already looked into Sasuke's eyes from second 1.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I honestly dont see the problem stating Raikage can tank a TBB when it was imply he = to Hachibi....