Establishing why MS Madara > Either Raikage

[Unorthodox]

I recently peaked an interest in Ms Madara and i would like to let people know of his power ill keep this short. Conditions - This is Alive Madara with Mangekyou sharingan he has all his traditional weapons and can use bushin like in canon.

3rd Raikage

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Destroying the 3rd Raikage should be easy enough Considering he has all the tools he needs to so. Madara is much faster than the 3rd Raikage a Blind Madara Blitz Sage mode Naruto

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the Naruto Managed to Evade the 3rd Raikage with ease

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This leads me to the conclusion Madara is actually much faster than the 3rd. So dodging him should be easy enough to do with the feats i'v shown.

Madara simply shits on His nukite and other Ration attacks i believe MS Madara can absorb Nukite because we saw blind Madara absorb amaterasu with no eyes and this has nothing to do with his rinnegan as it was gone add the fact that Naruto just says he absorb ninjutsu

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meaning nukite gets absorbed no problem. With Nukite and his Ration armor useless entirely he durability level drops added the fact that he does not have the speed advantage is also bad for him, Without Nukite he is not destroying susanoo Madara would use a Ribcage Susanoo (still gives him his mobility) shunshin to snatch the 3rd up

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he could use a genjutsu to knock him out or transform his susanoo to v4 to destroy his body with a squeeze/punch or Magatama. Bonus Gunbai could also counter Nukite with its ability to convert attacks into to wind and since wind nature > Lighting this would definitely apply true here reflecting the 3rd's attack back at him killing him.​

4th Raikage

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The 4th Raikage would be more difficult with His speed But Madara could definitely follow and track the raikage unlike Sasuke Edo Madara already reacted to V1 Ei close range

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Alive Madara being superior to his Edo form dodges that attack with ease also add the fact that rinnegan has no pre-cog abilities. It was stated that he could escape MS pre-cog but Sasuke reacted with Enton meaning he did not fully escape it. Madara being faster and having better reactions then Sasuke could do much better, Ei lacking The power to completely destroy a ribcage susanoo is going to cost him not only does Madara have the ability to absorb his ration chops he has clones with ribcage to cause trouble to raikage, Madara making his move the moment raikage does is his only way to catch him and if he caught he could destroy him easy it was implied that Minato's kunai would atleast do some kind of damage to Raikage

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hence the reason bee jumped in add the fact that chidori pierced his armor susanoo sword would wreck him. ​

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[Apêx1]

Although I believe that Madara can defeat them with the use of Kage Bunshin's, I don't believe Nukite could be absorbed like you suggest. Genjutsu should overwhelm them.

 

[KidGamer65]

Lol. Madara wins both, but:

-MS Madara cannot follow the Ay's full speed. Edo Madara reacting to V1 isn't proof, and giving him Alive Madara's feats doesn't work since a boost in chakra strength=boost in speed, and EMS boosted his chakra strength.

-Blind Madara's absorption technique does not go to MS Madara. You don't even know how or where or when he picked that ability up to say that he had it even before they founded Konoha.

-Since when could Gunbai redirect something as powerful as Nukite?

 

[Oblivionx]

lol i actually came to this thread expecting some good arguments..... MS madara is certainly debatable against raikages one on one but these arguments....

 

[Amaterasu]

I agree with the fact that Alive MS Madara beats 3rd Raikage but...

Destroying the 3rd Raikage should be easy enough Considering he has all the tools he needs to so. Madara is much faster than the 3rd Raikage a Blind Madara Blitz Sage mode Naruto

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the Naruto Managed to Evade the 3rd Raikage with ease

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This leads me to the conclusion Madara is actually much faster than the 3rd. So dodging him should be easy enough to do with the feats i'v shown. ​

That does not mean shit. 3rd Raikage is way faster than Madara in terms of footspeed and most likely in terms of Shunshin. Naruto dodged the 3rd because of his Sage reaction, but that does not mean he is faster. Also, did Madara not have Hashirama's SM while blitzing Naruto ?

Madara simply shits on His nukite and other Ration attacks i believe MS Madara can absorb Nukite because we saw blind Madara absorb amaterasu with no eyes and this has nothing to do with his rinnegan as it was gone add the fact that Naruto just says he absorb ninjutsu

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meaning nukite gets absorbed no problem. With Nukite and his Ration armor useless entirely he durability level drops added the fact that he does not have the speed advantage is also bad for him, Without Nukite he is not destroying susanoo Madara would use a Ribcage Susanoo (still gives him his mobility) shunshin to snatch the 3rd up

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he could use a genjutsu to knock him out or transform his susanoo to v4 to destroy his body with a squeeze/punch or Magatama. Bonus Gunbai could also counter Nukite with its ability to convert attacks into to wind and since wind nature > Lighting this would definitely apply true here reflecting the 3rd's attack back at him killing him.

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Again, are we talking about Blind Madar or MS madara ? because you're giving MS Madara the Blind one feats :lol.
He won't absorb any Nukite. I'm ok with the rest but I don't know about the fact that Susanoo tanks Nukite or nah.
And the reflecting attack won't kill the 3rd imo​

Nothing to say on the 4th

 

[Gold Lightning]

Can't imagine Madara beating either.

Don't understand why you are listing feats that MS Madara doesn't have either. Or why you think Madara with Hashirama cells is the same as MS Madara. Or how you think a Madara with only Ms level precog and no senjutsu is able to keep up with either Raikage.

I seem to recall the Fourth Raikage holding his own against 5 wood cloned Madaras each equipped with V3 Susaoo, yet Fourth Raikage was taking them all on. Not to mention that a wood clones fighting power exceeds that of a shadow clone. How on earth anyone can think Madara with just Ms is enough to take on the raikages.

Then there's the fact that both Raikage have higher chakra reserves than MS Madara for sure. Fourth Raikage having tailed beast level chakra, while Third Raikage has enough chakra/stamina to exhaust a beast and fight for 3 days and 3 nights on his own against 10,000.

 

[TRE MERCER]

I thought it was pretty obvious that MS users>Raikages? Ei would have been left with 1 arm and 1 leg against a rookie Susanoo using Sasuke.

3rd Raikage speed feats are piss poor and him reaching his hand out he's scream for Amaterasu to one shot or to simply be dodged or to get his arm swatted back into his chest via susanoo fist.​

 

[Rιver]

Lol. Madara wins both, but:

-MS Madara cannot follow the Ay's full speed. Edo Madara reacting to V1 isn't proof, and giving him Alive Madara's feats doesn't work since a boost in chakra strength=boost in speed, and EMS boosted his chakra strength.

-Blind Madara's absorption technique does not go to MS Madara. You don't even know how or where or when he picked that ability up to say that he had it even before they founded Konoha.

-Since when could Gunbai redirect something as powerful as Nukite?

How is Nukite more powerful than TBB?

 

[TRE MERCER]

How is Nukite more powerful than TBB?

Topics to not take Kidgamer serious on at all.

3rd Raikage Nukite
3rd Raikage durability.

Hell the 3rd Raikage in general.

Ftg.

He said that this Susanoo cannot harm the 3rd Raikage.

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[NarutoX28]

OP, you're simply giving MS Madara his Senju Enhanced feats which I don't think is accurate at all.

 

[Unorthodox]

-MS Madara cannot follow the Ay's full speed. Edo Madara reacting to V1 isn't proof, and giving him Alive Madara's feats doesn't work since a boost in chakra strength=boost in speed, and EMS boosted his chakra strength

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Giving him alive feat does work why because edo's were not revived to their full power even Hashirama said Madara got his power back .

Blind Madara's absorption technique does not go to MS Madara. You don't even know how or where or when he picked that ability up to say that he had it even before they founded Konoha.

Why does it not? Because it benefits your argument huh? Absorbtion logical would be a technique he learned earlier 1 giving that fact that Hashirama knew a wood dragon can surpress absorbtion powers when he restrained Edo Madara. 2. EMS Madara would only work on his new abilities from his sharingan considering absorbtion is useless against mokuton in general. 3 Madara defeated to jinton user without breaking a sweat or using Perfect susanoo absorbtion had to play a role.

Since when could Gunbai redirect something as powerful as Nukite?

Since it can deflect BM Naruto's tbb also wind > lighting it has the natural advantage.

lol i actually came to this thread expecting some good arguments..... MS madara is certainly debatable against raikages one on one but these arguments....

Nothing wrong with these arguments

OP, you're simply giving MS Madara his Senju Enhanced feats which I don't think is accurate at all.

Name 1......

 

[KidGamer65]

How is Nukite more powerful than TBB?

Smh. Where did I say that River?

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Giving him alive feat does work why because edo's were not revived to their full power even Hashirama said Madara got his power back

Irrelevant. Because Alive Madara post EMS>>Alive Madara post MS assuming they are both brought back blind when it comes to physical ability due to chakra

Why does it not? Because it benefits your argument huh? Absorbtion logical would be a technique he learned earlier 1 giving that fact that Hashirama knew a wood dragon can surpress absorbtion powers when he restrained Edo Madara. 2. EMS Madara would only work on his new abilities from his sharingan considering absorbtion is useless against mokuton in general. 3 Madara defeated to jinton user without breaking a sweat or using Perfect susanoo absorbtion had to play a role.

No, because MS Madara is not Blind Madara, nor do you have any logical reason to assume that chakra absorption was always in Madara's arsenal.

1. Hashirama is not relevant.
2. This is an assumption. Lol. Hashirama isn't his only opponent, so why would he only master abilities that would work in a battle with Hashirama? What's worse is that he can absorb from people, so in CQC it'd actually help.
3. Another assumption. Do I have to show you what real evidence looks like? Not to mention you are using the same argument the people who claim Sharingan sees Mu use. :lol

Since it can deflect BM Naruto's tbb also wind > lighting it has the natural advantage.

Lmao. Not sure what Manga you, River, and your bestie TRE MERCER read, but Mini Bijuu Dama the size of a golf ball is not a full sized Bijuu Dama. What's worse is that elemental advantage literally has jack to do with anything since Uchiha Gaeshi isn't Wind vs. Raiton here, it is Raiton being absorbed and converted to wind.

Nothing wrong with these arguments

Maybe if I didn't read the Manga I'd agree with this.

 

[Rιver]

Smh. Where did I say that River?

You asked when has Gunbai ever redirected something as powerful as Nukite.

Gunbai redirected TBB with zero problems though.

 

[LuckyMan]

You asked when has Gunbai ever redirected something as powerful as Nukite.

Gunbai redirected TBB with zero problems though.

Gunbai replled mini TBB, the one thats the size of Narutos Rasengan, and its not because of the weapon itself, its a ninjutsu Madara uses to make it do that.

His ninjutsu (Uchiha Return) has a limit to what it can return, like all things have and assuming it'll return a move with so much concentrated power may not be correct.

 

[KidGamer65]

You asked when has Gunbai ever redirected something as powerful as Nukite.

Gunbai redirected TBB with zero problems though.

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Doesn't deserve a serious reply.

 

[RedRobin]

Smh. Where did I say that River?

By agreeing with the logic that Nukite > FRS because FRS couldnt damage the 3rd while Nukite did. Then you also think its possible 3rd survived TBB so according to that same logic Nukite > TBB.

 

[KidGamer65]

By agreeing with the logic that Nukite > FRS because FRS couldnt damage the 3rd while Nukite did. Then you also think its possible 3rd survived TBB so according to that same logic Nukite > TBB.

Nope. I don't think he survived a Bijuu Dama. :lol I said it's possible, but I never said that I believed it was true.

 

[RedRobin]

Nope. I don't think he survived a Bijuu Dama. :lol

Alright then. Nvm.

 

[Rιver]

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Doesn't deserve a serious reply.

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Ok dude.

Gunbai replled mini TBB, the one thats the size of Narutos Rasengan, and its not because of the weapon itself, its a ninjutsu Madara uses to make it do that.

His ninjutsu (Uchiha Return) has a limit to what it can return, like all things have and assuming it'll return a move with so much concentrated power may not be correct.

Yeah true, but that TBB is still stronger than Rasengan and its variations.

 

[NarutoX28]

Name 1......

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1. Madara is much faster than the 3rd Raikage a Madara Blitz Sage mode Naruto [x] the Naruto Managed to Evade the 3rd Raikage with ease [x]

2. Madara simply shits on His nukite and other Ration attacks i believe MS Madara can absorb Nukite because we saw blind Madara absorb amaterasu with no eyes and this has nothing to do with his rinnegan as it was gone add the fact that Naruto just says he absorb ninjutsu here meaning nukite gets absorbed no problem.

3. Madara being faster and having better reactions then Sasuke could do much better, Ei lacking The power to completely destroy a ribcage susanoo is going to cost him not only does Madara have the ability to absorb his ration chops he has clones with ribcage to cause trouble to raikage ...

Nuff said.