[Tier] Fleet Admiral Sakazuki vs Gear 4th Luffy

[Apêx1]

^Haki counters logia. Akainu probably used his own haki.

 

[bajram]

Akainu stomps, why would this be even debatable at all.

Also G4 itself may be a top tier but not all top tiers should be immediately Yonko/admiral level, I see my top-tier ranking as low-mid and high top tiers, G4 Luffy may just barely be top tier but doesnt mean he can do anything significant to a char that is definitely at the pinnacle of OP fighters.

 

[YellowFang]

1- Rank i.e. Fleet Admiral etc. doesn't matter at all in a battle of top tiers...
2- G4 Luffy isn't going to last long enough to use this mode with unlimited availability...

 

[Main I]

^Haki counters logia. Akainu probably used his own haki.

That reading comprehension. Obviously he used his own Haki, why did did you feel the need to state the obvious? My point is, even if his Haki is on par with Josu and Vistas he's still be unable to bypass Akainu's logia intangibility.

 

[ssjelf]

ehh no. He did feel pain for some degree and even called it "irritating" to fight such haki users

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Nothing proves it other than rank and titles hype but even if we assume you're correct, G4 should at least be able to land some hit on him even if the damage is small

If you concede that luffys haki is inferior to that of vistas and Marcos then I am correct in Saying that luffy can't touch akainu. Don't argue against points I didn't even say. I never said akainu didn't find them irritating, but it dure doesn't look like he too any damage and even if he did then it was only minimal. And that was after being beat up real bad by WB. I didn't put this fight at neg or low diff. I put it at mid diff because I realized that akainu will find luffys haki irritating. Again don't argue points I didn't make

 

[Main I]

1- Rank i.e. Fleet Admiral etc. doesn't matter at all in a battle of top tiers...
2- G4 Luffy isn't going to last long enough to use this mode with unlimited availability...

Akainu stomps, why would this be even debatable at all.

Also G4 itself may be a top tier but not all top tiers should be immediately Yonko/admiral level, I see my top-tier ranking as low-mid and high top tiers, G4 Luffy may just barely be top tier but doesnt mean he can do anything significant to a char that is definitely at the pinnacle of OP fighters.

I was under the impression that the top tier only consisted of the strongest in the world ie, Yonkou, Admirals, and a few others.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Ok I think you need to relax......

It's true Marco and vista haki together failed to hurt akainu even while injured from WB

 

[-Akuma-]

Luffy is wanked with G4 but Akainu isn't stomping, more like low-med. dif.

 

[Relostar Devil]

I forget Oda isn't fond of logic, I'd prefer another time skip where Luffy is like 25 which is likely, a 19 year old Pirate King who defeats all seems too fixed.



One thing I don't like about this manga, there is literally no logic. Akainu and Kuzan fight for 10 days, Ace and Jinbei fight for 5 days, the most realist thing he ever did was make Luffy impervious to Enels lightning.

Its anime dude. Logic never works in this field.

 

[Apêx1]

That reading comprehension. Obviously he used his own Haki, why did did you feel the need to state the obvious? My point is, even if his Haki is on par with Josu and Vistas he's still be unable to bypass Akainu's logia intangibility.

I told you haki counters logia. As in his intangibility no longer is relevant because Logia counters it, the Haki strikes the Logia user as if he wasn't a Logia user. Also, you said;

That's silly. Akainu was obviously still in his logia state having taken no damage whatsoever. Their Haki was completely and utterly ineffective against him. Also, it's equally baseless to assume his Haki is stronger. In fact, it's even more baseless considering the fact that logic dictates those with vastly greater experience would be better. Say they're even. He still wouldn't be able to bypass Akainu's intangibility.

You said he was in his logia state and thus took no damage from Vista's Haki. But Logia can't counter Haki. So Akainu used Haki to counter Vista's Haki, not Logia.

 

[Main I]

I told you haki counters logia. As in his intangibility no longer is relevant because Logia counters it, the Haki strikes the Logia user as if he wasn't a Logia user. Also, you said;



You said he was in his logia state and thus took no damage from Vista's Haki. But Logia can't counter Haki. So Akainu used Haki to counter Vista's Haki, not Logia.

That comprehension is even worse than I thought.

Your first mistake is believing that any level of Haki can bypass the intangibility of any logia. Just because you have Haki it doesn't by any stretch of the imagination mean that you will bypass their logia intangibility seeing as Marco and Vista both struck Akainu with Haki infused attacks and, gasp, he was still in his logia form. Meaning that due to their inferior Haki they could not bypass his logia intangibility. Have you read this manga?


No, that's just your reading comprehension again. I said he was still in his logia state after being hit with a Haki imbued attack. Thus, they could not bypass his logia intangibility. If Luffy's armament prowess is equal to theirs than he could not bypass Akainu's logia intangibility either. What is so difficult about this to understand?

 

[Hexuze]

Akainu wins at low difficulty.

 

[Apêx1]

That comprehension is even worse than I thought.

Your first mistake is believing that any level of Haki can bypass the intangibility of any logia. Just because you have Haki it doesn't by any stretch of the imagination mean that you will bypass their logia intangibility seeing as Marco and Vista both struck Akainu with Haki infused attacks and, gasp, he was still in his logia form. Meaning that due to their inferior Haki they could not bypass his logia intangibility. Have you read this manga?

Any Haki will in fact bypass any logia user. The bold in your own statement proves it. That's all that matters, if they can make contact with a person while he's using Logia then they have successfully bypassed its intangibility. Their Haki was inferior to Akainu's Haki, not his logia. In no case will Logia ever be superior to Haki, which is exactly what your initial post suggested. Thus it has nothing to do with bypassing Akainu's intangibility, but to do with bypassing his Haki.

No, that's just your reading comprehension again. I said he was still in his logia state after being hit with a Haki imbued attack. Thus, they could not bypass his logia intangibility. If Luffy's armament prowess is equal to theirs than he could not bypass Akainu's logia intangibility either. What is so difficult about this to understand?

Again, it has nothing to do with bypassing Logia intangibility. It has to do with bypassing his Haki, and they couldn't. If Luffy's CoA is inferior to theirs (which is probable) then he won't be able to bypass Akainu's Haki. Stop saying Logia intangibility, it is misleading.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Akainu wins but he's being overrated as hell.​

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Any Haki will in fact bypass any logia user. The bold in your own statement proves it. That's all that matters, if they can make contact with a person while he's using Logia then they have successfully bypassed its intangibility. Their Haki was inferior to Akainu's Haki, not his logia. In no case will Logia ever be superior to Haki, which is exactly what your initial post suggested. Thus it has nothing to do with bypassing Akainu's intangibility, but to do with bypassing his Haki.



Again, it has nothing to do with bypassing Logia intangibility. It has to do with bypassing his Haki, and they couldn't. If Luffy's CoA is inferior to theirs (which is probable) then he won't be able to bypass Akainu's Haki. Stop saying Logia intangibility, it is misleading.

Akainu is a logia you know? How exactly can you talk about Luffy vs Akainu without discussing logia intangibility? Its makes it easier to discuss haki levels. Marco and Vista's haki wasn't strong enough to scratch Akainu as it slipped through him like a regular logia because Akainu's haki is stronger. If Akainu wasn't a logia, their attacks probably would've hurt him as they were clean hits(Marco kicked Aokiji and sent him flying).

Nothing suggest that haki rookie Luffy has haki better than Marco and Vista or haki strong enough to hurt Akainu(Jinbe and Iva couldn't hurt him either). It'll be no different than fighting a logia with no haki whatsoever.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

That comprehension is even worse than I thought.

Your first mistake is believing that any level of Haki can bypass the intangibility of any logia. Just because you have Haki it doesn't by any stretch of the imagination mean that you will bypass their logia intangibility seeing as Marco and Vista both struck Akainu with Haki infused attacks and, gasp, he was still in his logia form. Meaning that due to their inferior Haki they could not bypass his logia intangibility. Have you read this manga?


No, that's just your reading comprehension again. I said he was still in his logia state after being hit with a Haki imbued attack. Thus, they could not bypass his logia intangibility. If Luffy's armament prowess is equal to theirs than he could not bypass Akainu's logia intangibility either. What is so difficult about this to understand?

They did hit Akainu's real body.

 

[ssjelf]

They did hit Akainu's real body.

Check the scan cobra posted, they didn't hit his real body, he turned into lava after being hit just like any other logia does when not being hit by haki.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Check the scan cobra posted, they didn't hit his real body, he turned into lava after being hit just like any other logia does when not being hit by haki.

Then why did he say "ngh" when he was hit? It clearly hurt him.

 

[Apêx1]

Akainu is a logia you know? How exactly can you talk about Luffy vs Akainu without discussing logia intangibility? Its makes it easier to discuss haki levels. Marco and Vista's haki wasn't strong enough to scratch Akainu as it slipped through him like a regular logia because Akainu's haki is stronger. If Akainu wasn't a logia, their attacks probably would've hurt him as they were clean hits(Marco kicked Aokiji and sent him flying).

Nothing suggest that haki rookie Luffy has haki better than Marco and Vista or haki strong enough to hurt Akainu(Jinbe and Iva couldn't hurt him either). It'll be no different than fighting a logia with no haki whatsoever.

1. If his Haki is superior then him being Logia or him not being Logia would not matter. But it is not attributed to Logia intangibility but Haki superiority. He clearly said Haki users are irritating, meaning they have an effect on him regardless.

2. I never suggested Luffy had better Haki then Marco or Vista. Stop acting like I think Luffy wins when I know Akainu low-mid diffs.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Nope, Luffy is not top tier.

Luffy couldn't beat Doflamingo (alone). First Doffy was battleworn from his battle against Law who put decent fight to him and was kindy of bad match up for Doffy, considering his room ability. Luffy fought him after that and even then he couldn't win because he run out of time.

Dolfamingo is at best around as strong as admiral. Sakazuki as Fleet Admiral stands even above and on par with a Yonko.

So no Luffy still has way to go before a top tier.