VOTE Madara vs Gaiden Sasuke (No Sage Power)

[ComplexCity]

Sasuke has this in the bag mid difference. The employment of masterful, nimble usage of Kirin will be the end of Kurama and Madara.

If you disagree - you're not smart, like I am.

I missed this guy

 

[Apêx1]

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This has gotten beyond frustrating, and boring (I presume for you too). I'm not going to pull a KG and entertain you eternally. Main argument here is:
1. Concentrated Chou Shinra Tensei pushes a standing PS on its back. You suggested SS was incapable of doing so on a smaller PS so it won't work on a larger PS. But that doesn't make sense because pushing a 4 legged Bijuu covered with PS is impossible while it's being hit downwards [

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]. PS stands on two legs, a CST to its torso will have the PS on the floor and that is when Sasuke's PS can jump atop of the PS while a Kage Bunshin absorbs it from the legs. This is game over number 1.

2. Madara will summon the Kyuubi. You seemingly avoid this point, but it is IC for Madara to summon the Kyuubi as he tried it in the War Arc, and he did it against Hashirama. Sasuke just needs to Ameno atop of the Kyuubi and absorb its chakra. Nagato took a v2 cloak worth of chakra from Bee instantly [

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]. Bee's entire chakra constitutes about 2 v2 cloaks as denoted by Hachibi, so Preta allows the user to absorb half of the combined reserves of Hachibi and Bee almost instantly. Once Sasuke has the Kyuubi's chakra he stomps Madara's PS as the Kyuubi grants a tremendous boost to all chakra (and did so to Sasuke's legged v3). Game over number 2.

3. I have proven Sasuke has Kage Bunshin's. He simply needs his clones to absorb the PS that Madara is using. If Madara uses his own Kage Bunshin's then Sasuke's win regardless since they can absorb the chakra the clones possess (and the Susano which you are suggesting they will be using). Since it can absorb half of the combined chakra of Hachibi and Bee then it can at the very least revert PS to v3, in which case Sasuke's PS one shots it. Game over number 3.

Rather debate the relevant point which you seemingly avoid over and over again then debate the irrelevant intricacies which you keep bringing up.

 

[Waltz]

This has gotten beyond frustrating, and boring (I presume for you too). I'm not going to pull a KG and entertain you eternally. .

Pretty much.

My drive was: All your points; though plausible, can be expanded upon and some contradicted---- like you forgetting that 1 of Shin-ShuuSenju's arms tremendously dwafts the Kyuubi and that it received hundreds of punches at a time. The impact from that would have crushed the Kyuubi on it's own but Madara's Kanzentai is what completely defended and grounded it against the force at a diagonal angle which shadows Chou-Shinra Tensei----and it's within these expansion's and contradictions Madara gains the full potential to intercept each point. This debate would last for ever if you expanded upon each clone and their varying tactics and the same on Madara's end. Then there's the fact that the OP's stipulations didn't mention a distance which would be a key factor for either party. ​

 

[Nate Standfield]

Let's assume that Sasuke has grown in chakra volume to match Madara, Madara still has the Kyuubi and Izanagi as last resorts whereas Sasuke has ammrnkieo, a jutsu that has both a set range and sizesble cool down. How does Sasuke win this? He is still over powered by the Kyuubi.

Madara wins with medium difficulty. Restrict it and Sasuke likely pulls off s victory.??????

 

[TheUnbiasedOne]

EMS Sasuke would have lost high difficulty to EMS Madara. Giving him Rinnegan as well as Kage Bunshins gives Sasuke the ability to

Remotely Absorb Through Clones
Summon huge Animals and do so from various places
Give himself someplace to ameno to
Use bunshin to corner madara and rip his soul out
Restrain The Kyuubi and Rip out its Soul
Create Asura Clones to and himself to create crazy shit
Create a preta field to absorb tbb and Susanno attacks
Use CT and CST. Madara cannot escape without Kyuubi.

 

[Kagustuchi]

Just my two cents as well, Madara definitely takes this.

 

[Transcendence]

I still think it's Sasuke. Sasuke's chakra should naturally reach what Prime Madara's was (EMS I mean) given they're incarnates of the same person, alongside the fact that Kurama himself said that a 16 year old Sasuke's chakra reminded him of Madara, who controlled Kurama when he was in his late 20's (prime age) and that's talking to a teenager. I fail to see how Sasuke's PS wouldn't reach that level at all. Rin'negan amplified Genjutsu should be above EMS Genjutsu given feats (9 at once?) so Kurama is a non-factor the second that Sasuke looks at him and takes control. CQC is utterly useless as Enton variants neuter Madara in close quarters and all Ninjutsu bar PS is absorbed (basically only Katon). I fail to see how Madara wins.

 

[EZQ]

EMS Sasuke would have lost high difficulty to EMS Madara. Giving him Rinnegan as well as Kage Bunshins gives Sasuke the ability to

Remotely Absorb Through Clones
Summon huge Animals and do so from various places
Give himself someplace to ameno to
Use bunshin to corner madara and rip his soul out
Restrain The Kyuubi and Rip out its Soul
Create Asura Clones to and himself to create crazy shit
Create a preta field to absorb tbb and Susanno attacks
Use CT and CST. Madara cannot escape without Kyuubi.

Vote madara shitstomps EMS Sasuke so bad that if we debate this the thread would get closed because of rape content. EMS Madara without the kiuuby has a solid victory above EMS Sasuke too.

 

[Apêx1]

I still think it's Sasuke. Sasuke's chakra should naturally reach what Prime Madara's was (EMS I mean) given they're incarnates of the same person, alongside the fact that Kurama himself said that a 16 year old Sasuke's chakra reminded him of Madara, who controlled Kurama when he was in his late 20's (prime age) and that's talking to a teenager. I fail to see how Sasuke's PS wouldn't reach that level at all. Rin'negan amplified Genjutsu should be above EMS Genjutsu given feats (9 at once?) so Kurama is a non-factor the second that Sasuke looks at him and takes control. CQC is utterly useless as Enton variants neuter Madara in close quarters and all Ninjutsu bar PS is absorbed (basically only Katon). I fail to see how Madara wins.

Naruto would've never reached/surpassed Hashirama's level had he not been a Jin. According to Orochimaru Sasuke surpasses Madara in his prime. Sasuke's PS surpasses that level, and when you factor in the Rinnegan it surpasses said level by even more. And PS can be absorbed without much trouble.

 

[Transcendence]

Naruto would've never reached/surpassed Hashirama's level had he not been a Jin. According to Orochimaru Sasuke surpasses Madara in his prime. Sasuke's PS surpasses that level, and when you factor in the Rinnegan it surpasses said level by even more. And PS can be absorbed without much trouble.

And Sasuke would have never reached Madara without Itachi's eyes. What's your point?

 

[Apêx1]

And Sasuke would have never reached Madara without Itachi's eyes. What's your point?

Sasuke would've never reached MS Madara based on what exactly? You seem to be forgetting that Madara got Izuna's eyes as Sasuke got Itachi's.

 

[Worm]

^ Not that getting an extra pair of eyes and having a whole another entity helping you is even remotely similiar.