Stop comparing Dragonball to Naruto

[Loki d]

Re: 6tRe: Stop comparing Dragonball to Naruto

All those Time/spave travel had different speed

Yes in Naruto instant teleportation have different speed

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About BZ points.

If you read Naruto manga in which you did not. Before that scan I post, Obito stand on the tree branch and he told Zetsu to go to Itachi corpse location. He used Kamui while Zetsu used myfly. And Obito arrived first before Zetsu.

But what make it funny, you tried to speculate by saying Obito used body fliker without put an effort to know the truth by searching the remaining page. Thats mean I arguing with one person that knew nothing about Naruto story here.

Doesn't matter since it is a figure of speech.

About Sasuke sword

This matter has been discuss by me and other members here numbers of times. From that scan, Sasuke not teleporting his sword into Madara's chest but that sword accidentally stab Madara's chest. Sasuke actually changing his location to his sword location using ameno to avoid Madara's incoming attack.

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first panel you can see Sasuke's sword is beside/near Naruto. And then Madara suddenly marching forward toward Sasuke. Sasuke activate his Ameno and swap with his sword location beside Naruto.

But that sword still floating on the mid air and Madara given his velocity when flying very fast unable to stop before the still floating sword stab him.

A mere assumption. Madara was attempting to snatch Sasuke's rinnegan. When Madara reached Sasuke's location he swapped places with his sword. His sword was teleported where Madara was standing and Sasuke was teleported to where his sword was previously at it's that simple.

You know when author draw the lines in every action, its for guideline or clue what the actions were. High speed movement, teleportation, levitation etc has their own style of lines to emphasis or telling the reader whats going on.

Yes when we saw TSB and its movement, its tells you how fast it goes. Its necessary.

But when you using 'fiction' as excuses because you lack in good points to counter my arguments. I declare that you lost this debate overall.

It's not about winning or losing son. Anyways like I said comparable to teleportation they are faster than kamui and comparable to FTG

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You should counter me by facts. But from the start, you just speculate and speculate. And that Kamui infos you gave me doesnt tell me new thing or something that can back up your points.

4TH Databook

Page 242

Ninjutsu, Kekkei Genkai - Kamui
No rank, all ranges, offensive, defensive
Users: Obito Uchiha, Kakashi Hatake

The godly eyes that conquer fate's horizon!! [TN: Epic sentence is epic.]

Coercing into another dimension!!

A dojutsu that transfers objects into the dimension created with the "Mangekyo Sharingan". In proportion to the amount of chakra the user holds, the possibly transferable mass of the target is increased or decreased. A skilled user can also transfer his own body. Furthermore, there's a subtle difference in the powers of the left and right eyes. The left eye hurls distant objects into the dimension by fixating them, the right eye unconsciously makes a body part slip-through by transfering it. Additionally, by having both eyes, "Susanoo" appears and it is possible to apply Kamui's powers to its weapons.

⬆➡ Objects are transfered immediately into the dimension. The distance of the right eye's effect is short. The ability to make the body "slip-through" is the ability of Obito's own right eye.

Kakashi was even able to teleport the Gedo Mazou's arm off while it was being teleported to Madara's location. Kakashi teleported Kaguya's teleportation portal and the attack coming out of it. Kakashi teleported Naruto instantly in front Obito fooling Obito into thinking he destroyed the clone. etc.

Kishi draws the Kamui warp because he wants the reader to be aware of which teleportation is being used. If all the space/time jutsu were drawn the same then there wouldn't be a way to tell the difference.

Speed dont mean much my friend as many Naruto characters lack flight abilities. And if we take verse vs verse you cant used JJMadara and JJ Obito. All characters need to be in their regular/normal stated without temporary power. Thats mean only Kaguya, Hagoromo, Hamura, Naruto, Sasuke, Toneri, plus new villains can fly. But majority of DBZ characters can fly and do bombardment from above and beruus can fire his ki blast from far away and destroy the planet and not needed to CqC with Naruto characters.

If planet of Naruto is done. Only NV characterz left is above people.

Speed determines the outcome of this kind of fights. Poor excuse for not wanting one verse to get stomped. lol no JJ Madara don't be such a fanboy. If it is verse vs verse then there will be multiple Madara and Buu that's just the way it is. Edo tensei will easily survive any planet busting attacking. In the Dragonball databook it states that Kid Buu and Frieza pretty much core bust their attacks set off chain reactions to the planet. Buu can turn some people into whatever he imagines but he's too slow to do that to the top tiers and will be taken out before he has a chance.

Because Beerus is such a coward.

The NV has faster character overall while Akira toriyama puts his characters at supersonic at best but not ftl.

Shockwave
First Appearance: Chapter 150
Category: ki manipulation
People: Piccolo Daimao, Piccolo, Cell, Nappa, others
Special Characteristics: This puts into practical use as a technique the shockwave, a wall of air produced when objects move through the atmosphere faster than the speed of sound. Since it doesn’t directly attack with ki, it is not a ki manipulation technique strictly speaking, but it similar to them in that it inflicts large damage on distant opponents. It inflicts damage on the enemy by producing an artificial shockwave through rapid hand movement or the emission of ki. What’s more, it is possible to fire it straight forward without concentrating power. (Daizenshuu 4, p.111)

Fist~
People: Goku
First Appearance: Chapter 171
Special Characteristics: An attack where the fist is pumped with tremendous force, unleashing a shockwave at the opponent. Goku was taught this technique by Kami-sama during his difficult training in the Heavenly Realm. During the 23rd Tenkaichi Budoukai, he blew Chi Chi out of the ring with this technique.

~From the Entire Body
First Appearance: Chapter 229
People: Vegeta, Majin Buu (good)
Special Characteristics: Emitting ki from the entire body, an intense shockwave annihilates everything around them. Since it consumes a high amount of ki it isn’t used often in battle, and is generally only brought out as a last great attack.

~From the Fingertips
First Appearance: Chapter 302
People: Freeza
Special Characteristics: While making strange noises, he fires bullet-like shockwaves from his fingertips at his opponent. He attacks consecutively, and the opponent is reduced to tatters before they have the time to counterattack. Piccolo fell victim to this attack.

In the Daizenshuu he states these character to move at supersonic speeds. Naruto characters are faster that's just it.

Super Saiyans can be killed by fire

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Re: 6tRe: Stop comparing Dragonball to Naruto

●Yes in Naruto instant teleportation have different speed

Glad that your brain able to comprehend something finally

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Doesn't matter since it is a figure of speech.

No, You just making an excuse here


●A mere assumption. Madara was attempting to snatch Sasuke's rinnegan. When Madara reached Sasuke's location he swapped places with his sword. His sword was teleported where Madara was standing and Sasuke was teleported to where his sword was previously at it's that simple.

What you stated here is what I told you before. Sasuke swapped with his sword location and Madara accidentally hit the sword because he not managed to avoid it because his movement is to fast.

He is seen standing because he is stop flying after arriving at Sasuke's sword that still floating on the air .

But this scene is to vague/unclear. We both cant say whose right or wrong




●It's not about winning or losing son. Anyways like I said comparable to teleportation they are faster than kamui and comparable to FTG

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4TH Databook

Page 242

Ninjutsu, Kekkei Genkai - Kamui
No rank, all ranges, offensive, defensive
Users: Obito Uchiha, Kakashi Hatake

The godly eyes that conquer fate's horizon!! [TN: Epic sentence is epic.]

Coercing into another dimension!!

A dojutsu that transfers objects into the dimension created with the "Mangekyo Sharingan". In proportion to the amount of chakra the user holds, the possibly transferable mass of the target is increased or decreased. A skilled user can also transfer his own body. Furthermore, there's a subtle difference in the powers of the left and right eyes. The left eye hurls distant objects into the dimension by fixating them, the right eye unconsciously makes a body part slip-through by transfering it. Additionally, by having both eyes, "Susanoo" appears and it is possible to apply Kamui's powers to its weapons.

⬆➡ Objects are transfered immediately into the dimension. The distance of the right eye's effect is short. The ability to make the body "slip-through" is the ability of Obito's own right eye.

Kakashi was even able to teleport the Gedo Mazou's arm off while it was being teleported to Madara's location. Kakashi teleported Kaguya's teleportation portal and the attack coming out of it. Kakashi teleported Naruto instantly in front Obito fooling Obito into thinking he destroyed the clone. etc.

Kamui snipe is faster than Kamui wormhole. But Kamui snipe cant be used for travel. And Kamui snipe can distort the space around the target and hold the target. Thats why it managed to absorb Gedo's arm when the statue is teleported to Madara.

I laughed at above post Do you think before you post? Know the difference first and all. You're too desperate here I saw.

Kishi draws the Kamui warp because he wants the reader to be aware of which teleportation is being used. If all the space/time jutsu were drawn the same then there wouldn't be a way to tell the difference.


You know Kamui works unlike FTG. FTG when executed, it will sent the user direct to target location but Kamui is different. After Kamui warp, Obito will enter Kamui dimension. He waste time there compared to FTG and then he need to warp again to get out from Kamui dimension.

You see Kamui warp sometime fast and sometime slow. You cant say Im wrong here because of my perspective. No. My perspective cant be the determinant. But if you not believe me, watch youtube about Kamui. You still can see obito get suck into his dimension. Thats mean Kamui warp is not instant(for single eye), Hypersonic at best. But Double Kamui warp is light speed and Kamui travel is light speed.

I dont care about DB because it contradict. In anime Kamui never shown to be instant. I still can see GM's arm or Deidara's arm get suck by Kamui.

I already kill your argument and DB here. You can believe DB all you want but I believe in Manga and Anime because they shows feats and not words.

And for TSB, its not instant.
-Minato panel. You cant said its instant because we doesnt know how Obito done it
-Obito Panel. If that TSB is light speed/instant, its impossible for Obito able to react

Used your brain Loki d.

●Speed determines the outcome of this kind of fights. Poor excuse for not wanting one verse to get stomped. lol no JJ Madara don't be such a fanboy. If it is verse vs verse then there will be multiple Madara and Buu that's just the way it is. Edo tensei will easily survive any planet busting attacking. In the Dragonball databook it states that Kid Buu and Frieza pretty much core bust their attacks set off chain reactions to the planet. Buu can turn some people into whatever he imagines but he's too slow to do that to the top tiers and will be taken out before he has a chance.

Because Beerus is such a coward.

You know the reality of fiction? I dont think you know. I explain it to you.

Verses has their own realities even though it just a drawing and lifeless. The reality of NV is, Madara and Obito shared same power thats Juubi/Kaguya. Let say Juubi jin for now is Madara and for Obito to be a JJ, he must absorb Juubi inside Madara. But if Obito absorb Juubi and became JJ, Madara will turned back into Non-JJ Double Rinnegan Madara. And other problem was Juubi is Kaguya, if either Madara or Obito absorb Juubi, thats mean no Kaguya around. And that the reality of NV. "Borrowed power" and "Shared power". Only person that can stay powerful without shared power is Non-JJ Hagoromo, Hamura, Kaguya and Current Naruto and Sasuke also Momoshiki and Kinshiki. This people is NV reality.

This people will challenged DBZ characters with their own power and Madara/Obito is below them.

DBZ not suffered this shared power dilemma/problem like NV, Goku, Vegeta, Gohan,Beerus etc etc is using their own power.

Thats the reality. If people said this character(Goku) want to solo this verse(NV). NV will turned into standard mode. Thats mean no JJ if Kaguya is present. same if Sasuke want to solo DBZ. This is not Video Games but reality

Other example: let say you're Russia and you want to battle with China. China rent country busting satellite from USA but the rent period is over and that satellite went back to USA or other country that want to rent it after China. Does China still have that Country busting satellite? The reality. This is enough for you.

OK last one. I sent you to current NV verse with Kaguya is set free. Do you think JJ Madara and JJ Obito will be there when you arrive?

Why it take you so long to prepared a counter arguments. Im already lost interest to respond to you. And when I reading your post, it make situation worse because it had many flaws.

But I push my self little bit and make it simple.

Answer in Bold.

Edit: Speed of NV characters cant be the determinant.