BM Naruto vs EMS Madara

[KidGamer65]

So are you conceding to all of your arguments in this thread?

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Conceding? Possibly, to the outcome of the fight (Still not 100% sure that BSM Naruto would lose to EMS Madara). Admitting that your arguments were right? No. Cause they weren't. Not by a longshot.

 

[Unorthodox]

Conceding? Possibly

That's all i need to hear you went all those pages with walls of text just to admit i was right Unorthodox strikes again

 

[KidGamer65]

That's all i need to hear you went all those pages with walls of text just to admit i was right Unorthodox strikes again

But you weren't right. Your arguments were utter trash in that thread. If anyone was right is was Apex.

 

[KingHashirama]

Sasuke's PS = Naruto's BSM in war arc

Legged senjutsu susanoo < BSM

Legged senjutsu susanoo < PS

PS >> BM

Only way for Naruto to match the power of PS while having half-kurama.. is by BSM. And even then hes inferior to Madara Uchiha.


So Madara comfortably wins both scenarios. As he outskills Naruto in every way possible. He outpowers Naruto in every way possible.. he outsmarts Naruto in every way possible.

 

[Unorthodox]

But you weren't right. Your arguments were utter trash in that thread. If anyone was right is was Apex.

But I explained why sasuke wins and now you agee that's a concession I win

 

[Kagustuchi]

Not seeing what Naruto can do to Madara's PS. Only thing that's damage it is a Flash TBB, and Madara is not going to watch him to it. Not to mention that if Madara swings his sword at the TBB it explodes with Naruto closer to the epicentre. Knowing Madara's PS durability>Sasuke's PS=Naruto's BM means Naruto loses the fight while Madara's PS reverts to v2-v3 (?).

I'd like to ask though, Legged v3 with Kyuubi+Senjutsu enhancement=BSM Naruto avatar. So is it PS=BSM, or PS=BM?

Sasuke's PS = Naruto's BM in durability (except for the tails where he far exceeds Sasuke), strength, and speed. VOTE 2 scaling proves it

 

[KidGamer65]

But I explained why sasuke wins and now you agee that's a concession I win

Uh, no. You explained why he wins, and you were wrong. I only agree that he might win because of my own reasons. Has jack do with your arguments, which were trash.

 

[Apêx1]

Sasuke's PS = Naruto's BM in durability (except for the tails where he far exceeds Sasuke), strength, and speed. VOTE 2 scaling proves it

Wouldn't Naruto's 6 Paths Senjutsu qualify as a larger Senjutsu boost then the regular Senjutsu Sasuke received? It's a heightened form of Senjutsu. Based on that one can down scale differently then how you are down scaling, no?

 

[Kagustuchi]

Wouldn't Naruto's 6 Paths Senjutsu qualify as a larger Senjutsu boost then the regular Senjutsu Sasuke received? It's a heightened form of Senjutsu. Based on that one can down scale differently then how you are down scaling, no?

No, Nature Energy is Nature Energy. It's not like chakra where the potency changes "per unit" of energy. Nothing suggests that mearly having that ability increases his chakra potency any more than what Sasuke got.

Plus I could easily start making the same assumptions about Sasuke and say that the Rinnegan further powered up his techs.

 

[ARGUS]

Madara wins this

Naruto is never blocking PS slashes like he did to sasukes, there is an astronomical gap between

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Any TBB formation gets disrupted by madara swinging his blade considering how much quicker it is for madara to swing his blade.
Nothing in narutos arsenal is even cutting it here. a regular TBB from full kyuubi (much larger and thus stronger) was tanked with almost no damage whatsoever. narutos are tanked with ease, and his continous TBB are tanked just fine as well.
It will take 3 or so flash TBB atleast to bust open madaras PS, and there is no way naruto can prep them,, without madara smacking him down,

CQC is not helping naruto at all, naruto gets dominated in every single category, he gets vastly outmuscled and repeatedly smacked down by PS slashes.
One slash probably takes out one of kurama avatars tails. and each of madaras PS slash is around the same echelon as a regular TBB from naruto, the only difference is that madara can do so much quickly whilst stopping naruto from attacking.

anything else that naruto attempts is futile. his speed is tracked and his attacks are blocked by PS. and then its back to phhase 1

as for scenario 2. BSM naruto probably beats him, the senjutsu boost makes his avatar and his attacks much stronger. to an extent where PS slashes are tanked without much damages which allows naruto to fire off his much stronger attacks to bust open PS

 

[Apêx1]

No, Nature Energy is Nature Energy. It's not like chakra where the potency changes "per unit" of energy. Nothing suggests that mearly having that ability increases his chakra potency any more than what Sasuke got.

Plus I could easily start making the same assumptions about Sasuke and say that the Rinnegan further powered up his techs.

DBIV says:
Third caption says, "His reaction speed meets or exceeds that of Madara in his Ten Tails Jinchuriki Form. It's the height of sensory ability!"

If its increased his sensory ability to the point where his reaction speed exceeds that of the Juubi Jin, then it's clearly a 'superior' form of Senjutsu. Whether you want to believe there's no difference between all Senjutsu is irrelevant since the DB clearly implies that Naruto's is a 'superior form' of it.

Actually, you couldn't. Rinnegan powered up Nagato because it had Rikudo chakra within it while he didn't. Sasuke possesses the Rikudo chakra within him which in turn supplies it to the Rinnegan. Other then that it only grants him a superior Dojutsu.

 

[Unorthodox]

Uh, no. You explained why he wins, and you were wrong. I only agree that he might win because of my own reasons. Has jack do with your arguments, which were trash.

why is so hard to admit defeat? also how does sasuke win i bet you give all the reasons i gave you

 

[KidGamer65]

why is so hard to admit defeat? also how does sasuke win i bet you give all the reasons i gave you

LMFAOOOOO! Suggesting I'd use the argumentation summarized below is honestly insulting.

You mean like "Ameno spawn GG" "PS Raiton bisect kurama GG" "Catch Flash Bijuu Dama GG" "Rinnegan Genjutsu GG" "Coreless CT GG" "Ameno swap out of Avatar GG" "Sasuke blitz GG" "BSM=Sasuke's PS from the War GG" "Flash BD=Regular BD GG"

Those reasons are pure trash. I said I believe Sasuke might win. Not that he wins low-mid difficulty on some "let's give him all his Rikudo feats" bullshit.

Your argument didn't convince me, nor will it ever convince me.

 

[KidGamer65]

DBIV says:
Third caption says, "His reaction speed meets or exceeds that of Madara in his Ten Tails Jinchuriki Form. It's the height of sensory ability!"

If its increased his sensory ability to the point where his reaction speed exceeds that of the Juubi Jin, then it's clearly a 'superior' form of Senjutsu. Whether you want to believe there's no difference between all Senjutsu is irrelevant since the DB clearly implies that Naruto's is a 'superior form' of it.

Actually, you couldn't. Rinnegan powered up Nagato because it had Rikudo chakra within it while he didn't. Sasuke possesses the Rikudo chakra within him which in turn supplies it to the Rinnegan. Other then that it only grants him a superior Dojutsu.

Which is because of Naruto's ability granted to him via the chakra. Has nothing to do with the potency of his chakra, once again. If Sasuke used that chakra to enter Rikudo Sage Mode like Naruto, hypothetically, he'd get Gudo Dama and he'd get the flight ability along with the enhanced physical parameters, but the strength of his chakra will not increase, thus his jutsu do not increase in power.

 

[Unorthodox]

LMFAOOOOO! Suggesting I'd use the argumentation summarized below is honestly insulting.

You mean like "Ameno spawn GG" "PS Raiton bisect kurama GG" "Catch Flash Bijuu Dama GG" "Rinnegan Genjutsu GG" "Coreless CT GG" "Ameno swap out of Avatar GG" "Sasuke blitz GG" "BSM=Sasuke's PS from the War GG" "Flash BD=Regular BD GG"

Those reasons are pure trash. I said I believe Sasuke might win. Not that he wins low-mid difficulty on some "let's give him all his Rikudo feats" bullshit.

Your argument didn't convince me, nor will it ever convince me.

the only gg i gave was

Rinnegan genjutsu gg because that's correct please explain to me how rinnegan genjutsu is a rikudou feat when we never saw how a rinnegan genjutsu works without hago's chakra. When did i say catch a flash bijuu dama i said he dodges it via flight or ameno or a shira tensei sends it back into minato's direction. You still never counter Sasuke warping Madara inbetween his attack or how could minato counter it for that matter.

 

[KidGamer65]

the only gg i gave was

Rinnegan genjutsu gg because that's correct please explain to me how rinnegan genjutsu is a rikudou feat when we never saw how a rinnegan genjutsu works without hago's chakra. When did i say catch a flash bijuu dama i said he dodges it via flight or ameno or a shira tensei sends it back into minato's direction. You still never counter Sasuke warping Madara inbetween his attack or how could minato counter it for that matter.

Lmfao. Not getting into this again.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Naruto clowns this man.​

 

[Mohamed Nabil]

One slash from PS and Naruto will be dead