BM Naruto vs EMS Madara

[Lariatoo]

Location: Valley of the End
Distance: 30 meters
Conditions: War Arc Naruto
Intel: Manga
Restrictions: Kurama for Madara

Scenario 2: BSM Naruto instead of BM.

Who wins?

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[Rιver]

Madara wins mid-high diff. S2 depends how big boost Naruto gets.

 

[Ambivalence]

Restrict PS and then it gets interesting, otherwise it's a mid-diff for Madara.

 

[TheSages456]

madaras PS managed to protect his body from 4 super juubi tailed beast bombs, yet naruto has a chance to break it?
all of narutos bijudama get tanked with 50% kurama being skewered by PS.

 

[Chaosmark101]

madaras PS managed to protect his body from 4 super juubi tailed beast bombs, yet naruto has a chance to break it?
all of narutos bijudama get tanked with 50% kurama being skewered by PS.

Scans? I don't recall that. Just Maddy's PS was capable of tanking 100% Kyuubi's BD without a scratch.

Ot: should have gave Naruto full Kurama.
Maddy takes Scenario 1 low diff-mid diff.
Scenario 2 High diff imo

 

[Kagustuchi]

Naruto takes it High Diff in scenario 1, Mid in S2.

 

[Zee U]

Madara takes S1 low diff and S2 mid-high.

 

[Hammock]

Madara Solos .

 

[TheSages456]

Scans? I don't recall that. Just Maddy's PS was capable of tanking 100% Kyuubi's BD without a scratch.

Ot: should have gave Naruto full Kurama.
Maddy takes Scenario 1 low diff-mid diff.
Scenario 2 High diff imo

madaras PS was destroyed with only the shroud being left. madara himself was protected from the explosion.

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[Apêx1]

Not seeing what Naruto can do to Madara's PS. Only thing that's damage it is a Flash TBB, and Madara is not going to watch him to it. Not to mention that if Madara swings his sword at the TBB it explodes with Naruto closer to the epicentre. Knowing Madara's PS durability>Sasuke's PS=Naruto's BM means Naruto loses the fight while Madara's PS reverts to v2-v3 (?).

I'd like to ask though, Legged v3 with Kyuubi+Senjutsu enhancement=BSM Naruto avatar. So is it PS=BSM, or PS=BM?

 

[Chaosmark101]

madaras PS was destroyed with only the shroud being left. madara himself was protected from the explosion.

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Forgot they were in the barrier haha!

I'd like to ask though, Legged v3 with Kyuubi+Senjutsu enhancement=BSM Naruto avatar. So is it PS=BSM, or PS=BM?

For Naruto's spritual brother Sasuke? EMS PS = BM Kyuubi Avatar

 

[RustledJimmies]

Naruto rayeps. Inb4 the walls of downscaling arguments.

 

[EZQ]

Naruto can't really do a heavy damage to Madara's PS. Madara wins

 

[Kushina san]

Madara....

 

[KeyofDestiny]

Madara wins both scenarios. Far more durable Avatar regardless of BSM, and PS slash has the power to put Naruto down when used repeatedly. Then there's the fact that once Madara's PS got close he'd literally bitchslap Naruto around with his blades, giving him no opportunity to charge up his Bijuu Dama.

Inb4 Juubi's laser. Naruto's tails were wrecked by that attack. Not conclusive evidence that something that cuts multiple Mountains larger than PS itself and is extremely focused will do zero damage to Naruto.

I'd like to ask though, Legged v3 with Kyuubi+Senjutsu enhancement=BSM Naruto avatar. So is it PS=BSM, or PS=BM?

PS=BM, because Legged V3 w/ Kyuubi boost alone=BSM.

 

[Unorthodox]

Madara wins both scenarios. Far more durable Avatar regardless of BSM, and PS slash has the power to put Naruto down when used repeatedly. Then there's the fact that once Madara's PS got close he'd literally bitchslap Naruto around with his blades, giving him no opportunity to charge up his Bijuu Dama.
Inb4 Juubi's laser. Naruto's tails were wrecked by that attack. Not conclusive evidence that something that cuts multiple Mountains larger than PS itself and is extremely focused will do zero damage to Naruto
PS=BM, because Legged V3 w/ Kyuubi boost alone=BSM.

A serious question if you think Madara > BSM Naruto what about BSM Minato? because in that adult Sasuke thread a while ago you debated with me like no other about the topic unless your implying Adult Sasuke ps does not ever reach Madara's level and that BSM Minato is stronger than his son.

 

[KeyofDestiny]

A serious question if you think Madara > BSM Naruto what about BSM Minato? because in that adult Sasuke thread a while ago you debated with me like no other about the topic unless your implying Adult Sasuke ps does not ever reach Madara's level and that BSM Minato is stronger than his son.

1. I don't think Adult Sasuke's PS is as strong as Madara's, but I can admit that I could most likely be wrong on that topic.

2. BSM Minato has Hiraishin, thus is stronger than BSM Naruto has that is the only difference between them, and a gap in speed, but one that isn't too large or even too relevant.

 

[Unorthodox]

1. I don't think Adult Sasuke's PS is as strong as Madara's, but I can admit that I could most likely be wrong on that topic.

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so after 17 years sasuke would have never reached that level? it was implied way before the rikudo chakra buffs that both Naruto and Sasuke would eventually surpass both Madara and Hashirama i would strongly have to disagree with what you said.

BSM Minato has Hiraishin, thus is stronger than BSM Naruto has that is the only difference between them, and a gap in speed, but one that isn't too large or even too relevant.

FTG is useless imo with tbb going off any kunai or marked rocked gets vaporized add the fact that Naruto can smack tbbs away with his bare hand and he's a better sm user i would still favor Naruto in the matchup. But not only that Sasuke would have ameno and shira tensei and wings to even all that out.

 

[KeyofDestiny]

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so after 17 years sasuke would have never reached that level? it was implied way before the rikudo chakra buffs that both Naruto and Sasuke would eventually surpass both Madara and Hashirama i would strongly have to disagree with what you said.





FTG is useless imo with tbb going off any kunai or marked rocked gets vaporized add the fact that Naruto can smack tbbs away with his bare hand and he's a better sm user i would still favor Naruto in the matchup. But not only that Sasuke would have ameno and shira tensei and wings to even all that out.

A fanfic BSM Minato is only possible if Naruto and Minato are equal in the Sage department, and S/T Barrier would still let Minato redirect Naruto's BDs as long as he sets up tags far away from the area.

You know what? What the hell? I'll agree that Sasuke's PS is on Madara's level w/o Rikudo Chakra in Gaiden. Partly because of the Oro scan during their fight with Juubito, and the other part because it just feels right.

 

[Unorthodox]

A fanfic BSM Minato is only possible if Naruto and Minato are equal in the Sage department, and S/T Barrier would still let Minato redirect Naruto's BDs as long as he sets up tags far away from the area.

You know what? What the hell? I'll agree that Sasuke's PS is on Madara's level w/o Rikudo Chakra in Gaiden. Partly because of the Oro scan during their fight with Juubito, and the other part because it just feels right.

So are you conceding to all of your arguments in this thread?

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