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You're obviously very ignorant on the matter at hand.
Invading for oil.....lol right
Four U.S Marines Killed In Gun Shootout
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Invading for oil.....lol right
This guy was a lone wolf and just a troubled youth. How was his childhood growing up? Was he bullied?Did he have both mom and dad around or just raised by a single parent?? Anyone who does this is obviously crazy.
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Rah and a Semper Fi to those fellow US Marines. I'll make sure that their death wasn't in vein in combat.
I know, replying to banned accounts is kind of useless.
War kills people. It's kind of the point. When people who are generally not your own are killed, it's not a big deal. When your own are killed, it is. I don't expect other countries to be sympathetic, but I do expect them to understand that turnabout is fair play.
On the other hand, there are numerous soldiers who do come back with considerable issues regarding the harsh realities of war. Our enemies are known for taking hostages or for forcing innocent people to huddle near machine gun nests, ammunition supplies, etc. There is a machine that is sitting there, killing your friends and comrades - and there's also an innocent family being forced to sit near it. The longer it sits there, the more danger there is to you and your friends. Failure on your part to act may mean several kids lose their father and several wives lose their husbands. So - you take out the target and have to live with the knowledge that you wiped out innocent people.
It's a justifiable decision, but few people can make decisions like that and not end up with some nightmares.
However...
That is how Islamic terrorists behave. They lured people in with discount ice and blew away 115 of them in an instant.
On the other hand, considerable effort has gone into developing weapons in the U.S. that can take out targets with precision. Since many of our enemies like to use such tactics as operating near schools, hospitals, etc; we have developed munitions to kill as few people as necessary.
Now, that's a bit of an ideal that doesn't always play out in war. There are times when any soldier in any situation has to lay down on the trigger and let the bodies pile up.
Did we invade for oil? No. More of our oil currently comes from Canada than anywhere else, and an insignificant portion (less than 10%) comes from any of the nations we invaded.
Though, again, given your general outlook on things, such levels of ignorance are to be expected.
Further - we all need to 'cool our heels' and 'make sure he was really a terrorist' - but the moment some white guy who shoots up a black congregation who happens to have a photo of him with the confederate flag... we all need to rush out and ban the Dukes of Hazard.
You people need to stop beating around the bush and join the socialist utopia known as the Caliphate. The only difference between ISIS and the progressive left is the cause for the motivation. The two want fundamentally the same things and are willing to resort to the same methods to get there.
The attack was at a Navy Operational Support Center. These are, essentially, human resource departments used by reservists. Strictly speaking, personnel are not allowed to be armed at these facilities - though I imagine more than a few reservists carry weapons in their private vehicles.
That's nothing new. Both times the World Trade Center was attacked, many arab nations danced in the streets.
War kills people. It's kind of the point. When people who are generally not your own are killed, it's not a big deal. When your own are killed, it is. I don't expect other countries to be sympathetic, but I do expect them to understand that turnabout is fair play.
On the other hand, there are numerous soldiers who do come back with considerable issues regarding the harsh realities of war. Our enemies are known for taking hostages or for forcing innocent people to huddle near machine gun nests, ammunition supplies, etc. There is a machine that is sitting there, killing your friends and comrades - and there's also an innocent family being forced to sit near it. The longer it sits there, the more danger there is to you and your friends. Failure on your part to act may mean several kids lose their father and several wives lose their husbands. So - you take out the target and have to live with the knowledge that you wiped out innocent people.
It's a justifiable decision, but few people can make decisions like that and not end up with some nightmares.
He is an Islamic terrorist. What we are or are not does not change what he is.
However...
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That is how Islamic terrorists behave. They lured people in with discount ice and blew away 115 of them in an instant.
On the other hand, considerable effort has gone into developing weapons in the U.S. that can take out targets with precision. Since many of our enemies like to use such tactics as operating near schools, hospitals, etc; we have developed munitions to kill as few people as necessary.
Now, that's a bit of an ideal that doesn't always play out in war. There are times when any soldier in any situation has to lay down on the trigger and let the bodies pile up.
Did we invade for oil? No. More of our oil currently comes from Canada than anywhere else, and an insignificant portion (less than 10%) comes from any of the nations we invaded.
Though, again, given your general outlook on things, such levels of ignorance are to be expected.
He was a follower of Islam. He referenced Hadith from Al Bukhari regarding 'enemies of my enemies' not long before the attack. He chose the end of Ramadan for his attack, which is popular for Islam motivated terrorists.
Further - we all need to 'cool our heels' and 'make sure he was really a terrorist' - but the moment some white guy who shoots up a black congregation who happens to have a photo of him with the confederate flag... we all need to rush out and ban the Dukes of Hazard.
You people need to stop beating around the bush and join the socialist utopia known as the Caliphate. The only difference between ISIS and the progressive left is the cause for the motivation. The two want fundamentally the same things and are willing to resort to the same methods to get there.
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So the guy's been drinking and taking drugs (which is a clear sin and forbidden in Islam) up to the point that it got him fired and arrested for DUI a couple of months before this yet he's somehow "following islam" when he's shooting up people. smh...
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9:29 Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.
30 The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah ." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?
31 They have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah , and [also] the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him.
32 They want to extinguish the light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah refuses except to perfect His light, although the disbelievers dislike it.
33 It is He who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion, although they who associate others with Allah dislike it.
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" The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, “Verily Allah ta’ala has said: ‘Whosoever shows enmity to a wali (friend) of Mine, then I have declared war against him. And My servant does not draw near to Me with anything more loved to Me than the religious duties I have obligated upon him. And My servant continues to draw near to me with nafil (supererogatory) deeds until I Love him. When I Love him, I am his hearing with which he hears, and his sight with which he sees, and his hand with which he strikes, and his foot with which he walks. Were he to ask [something] of Me, I would surely give it to him; and were he to seek refuge with Me, I would surely grant him refuge.’ ” "
That specific Hadith from Al-Bukhari was tweeted from the shooter prior to the shooting.
He may not have been following Islam in his following of vices, but by your definition - virtually no muslim on the face of the planet is a true muslim and none of their examples can be said to characterize Islam.
IE - just as you claim his actions have no bearing on Islam, neither do any 'moderate' muslims who are morally upstanding characters, as they, too, will fall short of the requirements placed upon them. Thus, any goodness they express is not that of Islam.
The fact of the matter is that the Qu'ran sanction his actions and there are numerous Hadith that give further testimony to that end.
2:218 Indeed, those who have believed and those who have emigrated and fought in the cause of Allah - those expect the mercy of Allah . And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
2:219 They ask you about wine and gambling. Say, "In them is great sin and [yet, some] benefit for people. But their sin is greater than their benefit." And they ask you what they should spend. Say, "The excess [beyond needs]." Thus Allah makes clear to you the verses [of revelation] that you might give thought.
These verses come from within the same sequence of revelation discussing forgiveness and sin. Fighting 'in the cause of Allah' is a means of atonement for sins.
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Sahih al-Bukhari 2785
" A man came to Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and said, "Instruct me as to such a deed as equals Jihad (in reward)." He replied, "I do not find such a deed." Then he added, "Can you, while the Muslim fighter is in the battle-field, enter your mosque to perform prayers without cease and fast and never break your fast?" The man said, "But who can do that?" Abu- Huraira added, "The Mujahid (i.e. Muslim fighter) is rewarded even for the footsteps of his horse while it wanders bout (for grazing) tied in a long rope." "
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" A man whose face was covered with an iron mask (i.e. clad in armor) came to the Prophet (ﷺ) and said, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! Shall I fight or embrace Islam first? "The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Embrace Islam first and then fight." So he embraced Islam, and was martyred. Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, A Little work, but a great reward. "(He did very little (after embracing Islam), but he will be rewarded in abundance). "
From these - it can be easily determined that Islam, as it was instructed by Muhammad, rewarded one's willingness to war above and beyond one's obedience to laws regarding sin. In other words - sins such as drinking and gambling are easily washed away by one's willingness to fight a religious war.
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" (who is `Abdur-Rahman bin Jabir) Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said," Anyone whose both feet get covered with dust in Allah's Cause will not be touched by the (Hell) fire." "
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" Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "Allah welcomes two men with a smile; one of whom kills the other and both of them enter Paradise. One fights in Allah's Cause and gets killed. Later on Allah forgives the 'killer who also get martyred (In Allah's Cause)." "
Within the teachings of muhammad - what this man did is perfectly sanctioned and he is justly a martyr who Islam would contend is enjoying paradise.
Not all muslims believe that - but useful idiots are necessary to keep up the ruse.
1) So...what if he had tweeted that specific hadeeth? I'm not really using these socail media accounts, but as I do possess accounts there, I do see some tweets/posts my muslim friends share, and they post peaceful stuff and they act according to that.
2) I do have An Nawawi's book, I've read it. It's in my own language so even taking pics of the text wouldn't be of much help, but you can buy it online or something. An Nawawi in his comment on this hadith says nothing about 'go and shoot the enemies of Allah'. He mentions 10 supererogatory deeds:
- reading the Quran
- voluntary deeds above fard ones
- zikr
- loving Allah (here he quotes Surah An-Natiat, verses 40-41: But as for he who feared the position of his Lord and prevented the soul from [unlawful] inclination (Yusuf Ali translates this as sinful desire),Then indeed, Paradise will be [his] refuge.)
- learning the 99 names of Allah
- observing and thinking about Allah's goodness
- fearign Allah and being humble
- praying at nights
- seeking the company of good muslims
- having a pure heart
Sorry, but even if that guy tweeted this hadith, he certainly didn't heed An Nawawi's comment on this...though I'm noone to judge, I don't see his heart. But he would have been better off establishing prayer first, leaving bad habits, and observing the above mentioned supererogatory deeds.
3) This hadith talks about enemies who fight muslims. Can these 4 marines considered as combatants who attacked muslims? Good question. (Note that fighting ISIS or other terrorist groups doesn't count as hostility against islam, as ISIS doesn't represent islam...now if this shooter was an ISIS fan, then his credibility is gone).But neither you nor I'm an authority to decide if killing them was an act of martyrdom or not. Allah knows, He will judge it on the Day of Judgment. (Though, as far as I remember, the guy first was randomly shooting around, so he could have harmed civilians too. Didn't the marines were actually protecting the civilians?
By the way shooting around: I just saw in todays news that a teen was shooting around with a drone. Gee, 'Murica.
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)Good argument, but coming from you it's a bit hypocritical, as you always say that 'moderate' muslims are 'moderate' only because of western values or just coz they are 'useful idiots'- so you shouldn't rebuke others who also commit the no true scotsman fallacy. Also, while there is no perfect muslim, noone will become a terrorist coz of sinning by let's say, masturbation, but drugs and depression (the latter is not a sin, that's not why I'm mentioning it here, inbefore anyone would misunderstand) are definitely things that can make someone do smtg crazy. Had he simply committed suicide (as many people do), noone (in the media) would care...though suicide is a great sin in islam. When a retarded/depressed/psychopatic non-muslim goes around shooting, they say it's because he had a mental illness. Now when a depressed/mentally sick muslim goes around shooting- everyone starts blaming islam. Don't even dare to say that there is no double standards here. Don't even try to bring up that the tweet is proof of his islamic motivation. I guess all the hundreds of shootings that happen in the US every year are not islamically motivated.
'Oh but this specific one is...' > And how is that the fault of islam, exactly? Millions read the same hadiths, and try to improve their faith by the aforementioned supererogatory deeds. I've read the same hadith- and i'm not gonna tweet it and shoot some people. But yeah, go take the deeds of a depressed and sick drug (ab)user as more authentic than mine. (f.e.) It only shows how your thinking is the same sick, tbh...
Gee. I could just say that there are hundreds of shooting in America, just the other day 2 teens massacred their family, I guess it must be an American thing.
Such play with words...'religious war'.........no comment...Ok well, just one small remark: jihad is defensive war.
How does that exactly sanction what this man did? You skip the logical step to prove he was a martyr in the first place. Which you'll never prove, really. Not even scholars agree on such matters, and in the end, noone knows what's in someone's heart but Allah. You can call this man a martyr, but keep in mind that it's you hailing him as a martyr, not me (albeit it's true that I'm trying to stay neutral, so I'm noone to deny it either- if we muslims can't say anything good about each other, we'd better stay silent...)
Oh and btw you said things like you'd wipe out all muslims, so.....
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The goal of Islam is a socialist utopia. Even within the current caliphate, many interpret the harsh punishments as necessary consequences to actions that are to the detriment of society. It could be likened to removing the impurities in a metal (and that is actually one concept of Fitnah).
Within muhammad's teachings and claims of revelations is the idea that different people are called to different things within society.
This is precisely what makes Islam an unconventional enemy. While the military had considerable success in disrupting terrorist operations by targeting their leadership, the fact that many of these leaders connected through religious leaders and scholars was also overlooked. In other words - by failing to recognize that the terrorist leadership was born from a religious conviction, they failed to realize that religious leaders would simply spawn new terrorist cell leaders.
The commentary is rather unnecessary as the Hadith is fairly self-explanatory.
If we want to correlate this with other concepts as expressed within the Hadith:
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" Book 019, Number 4292:
Ibn 'Aun reported: I wrote to Nafi' inquiring from him whether it was necessary to extend (to the disbelievers) an invitation to accept (Islam) before m". ing them in fight. He wrote (in reply) to me that it was necessary in the early days of Islam. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) made a raid upon Banu Mustaliq while they were unaware and their cattle were having a drink at the water. He killed those who fought and imprisoned others. On that very day, he captured Juwairiya bint al-Harith. Nafi' said that this tradition was related to him by Abdullah b. Umar who (himself) was among the raiding troops. "
Within this context, those who have been invited to Islam can be attacked without warning if they do not convert to Islam.
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3032 The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Who is ready to kill Ka`b bin Ashraf (i.e. a Jew)." Muhammad bin Maslama replied, "Do you like me to kill him?" The Prophet (ﷺ) replied in the affirmative. Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say what I like." The Prophet (ﷺ) replied, "I do (i.e. allow you).
This was under the heading "Killing non-muslim warriors secretly"
Above that are some interesting takes for "War is deceit" "telling lies in war" and other such things.
Strictly speaking, those who willingly affiliate with the U.S. armed services are effectively offering themselves as warriors to a nation that is typically perceived as being Christian. They would, therefor, be considered fair game within the context of Muhammad's behavior.
You have to keep in mind that Islam is solely dedicated to the conquest of humanity. Actions that can gain converts are good, as are actions that can eliminate threats. Converts (or followers) can be bred if the attempt to remove threats is a little overzealous.
As for whether or not he was a martyr...
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2538 Salamah bin Al Akwa’ said “On the day of the battle of the Khaibar, my brother fought desperately. But his sword fell back on him and killed him. The Companions of the Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) talked about him and doubted it (his martyrdom) saying “A man who died with his own weapon”. The Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) said “he died as a warrior striving in the path of Allaah. Ibn Shihab said “I asked the son of Salamah bin Al Akwa’.” He narrated to me on the authority of his father similar to that except that he said “The Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) said “They told a lie, he died as a warrior striving in the path of Allaah. There is a double reward for him.””
Nothing wrong with what he did in relation to firearms. He never used the drone in an illegal capacity, nor did he use the handgun in an illegal capacity. From what I can tell, he was not using the drone in a manner that was unsafe, either.
The problem is that both the Qu'ran and the Hadith tell us exactly who a true Muslim is.
Sunan Abi Dawud 2641 The Prophet (ﷺ) said: I am commanded to fight with men till they testify that there is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is His servant and His Apostle, face our qiblah (direction of prayer), eat what we slaughter, and pray like us. When they do that, their life and property are unlawful for us except what is due to them. They will have the same rights as the Muslims have, and have the same responsibilities as the Muslims have.
2640 Abu Hurairah reported the Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) as saying “ I am commanded to fight with men till they testify that there is no god but Allaah, when they do that they will keep their life and property safe from me, except what is due to them. (i.e., life and property) and their reckoning will be at Allaah’s hands.”
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8:2 The believers are only those who, when Allah is mentioned, their hearts become fearful, and when His verses are recited to them, it increases them in faith; and upon their Lord they rely -
3 The ones who establish prayer, and from what We have provided them, they spend.
4 Those are the believers, truly. For them are degrees [of high position] with their Lord and forgiveness and noble provision.
In a nutshell. A much longer dissertation can be built from specific claims of what a Muslim is to do within the Qu'ran, as well as specific condemnations of non-believers (to build a profile of what would be considered sin or even hypocritical).
This is in contrast to religions like Christianity - where the concept of who a "True Christian" is becomes considerably more difficult to establish (largely because Jesus did not technically found Christianity - Christianity developed out of those who attempted to carry on Jesus' reforms of Judaism, itself more a system of laws governing both political and social affairs than an actual decree of who is a true Jew). Islam cuts straight to the chase by claiming to be God's defining word on the matter of who is truly following God.
I simply have a wider context through which I am viewing the same material, as opposed to the very narrow scope with rose-tinted glasses.
Which, by the way, most of your interpretations have been rejected by middle-eastern Muslim scholars. Of course, like I said - they need useful idiots. There will always be those who, from within your own mosques, come to understand the true meaning of the religion - which is militant conquest - and seek to organize and act upon it.
Your role is that of obfuscation. You are necessary to prevent an outright declaration of war from Non-muslims.
See - if there weren't folks such as yourself claiming to be a part of Islam, then it would be much easier to label Islam as a death cult and simply ban it, arresting its followers and striking at its operating cells.
Which is the proper response to Islam, by the way. No sovereign nation should allow Islam within its borders and should treat every mosque as a terrorist cell. It's followers should be arrested and tried as foreign combatants and deported.
This is because, functionally, Islam is an insurgency focused upon the establishment of a theocratic totalitarian government that undermines and eventually usurps the national authority. This is currently the case in Britain, Germany, and France - where local Sharia court systems have effectively usurped legal jurisdiction, nullifying national laws and implementing their own system of law as they see fit to Muslims and non-Muslims alike.
That is how Islam has always functioned and any sovereign nation would be wise to expel it.
We have 380 million people and one of the most interconnected societies on the planet due to the prevalence and access to the internet.
Things like this happen in China, as well. You just don't hear about them nearly as frequently as they occur because the information is not as easy to access, much less broadcast to you in an attempt to draw your attention to the advertising space.
Jihad is not restricted to defensive war.
From every moderate muslim's favorite chapter of the Qu'ran... At-Tawbah:
9:5 And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
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9:14 Fight them; Allah will punish them by your hands and will disgrace them and give you victory over them and satisfy the breasts of a believing people
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9:29 Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.
30 The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah ." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?
31 They have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah , and [also] the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him.
32 They want to extinguish the light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah refuses except to perfect His light, although the disbelievers dislike it.
33 It is He who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion, although they who associate others with Allah dislike it.
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9:38 O you who have believed, what is [the matter] with you that, when you are told to go forth in the cause of Allah , you adhere heavily to the earth? Are you satisfied with the life of this world rather than the Hereafter? But what is the enjoyment of worldly life compared to the Hereafter except a [very] little.
39 If you do not go forth, He will punish you with a painful punishment and will replace you with another people, and you will not harm Him at all. And Allah is over all things competent.
This particular section of At-Tawbah was delivered following Muhammad's failed march against the Byzantine (Christian/Roman) empire. Basically, Muhammad charged off to war, expecting to find Byzantines to fight... and no one was there. He still razed a few towns and villages for plunder, but it wasn't the big glorious battle he and his followers were expecting.
9:122 And it is not for the believers to go forth [to battle] all at once. For there should separate from every division of them a group [remaining] to obtain understanding in the religion and warn their people when they return to them that they might be cautious.
123 O you who have believed, fight those adjacent to you of the disbelievers and let them find in you harshness. And know that Allah is with the righteous.
This is, quite clearly, not a defensive war. Muslims are to go out into the surrounding lands to conquer, but not all at once so as to ensure that the local populations remain adherent to Islam.
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Sahih al-Bukhari 4197 Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) reached Khaibar at night and it was his habit that, whenever he reached the enemy at night, he will not attack them till it was morning. When it was morning, the Jews came out with their spades and baskets, and when they saw him(i.e. the Prophet (ﷺ) ), they said, "Muhammad! By Allah! Muhammad and his army!" The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Khaibar is destroyed, for whenever we approach a (hostile) nation (to fight), then evil will be the morning for those who have been warned."
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4200 The Prophet (ﷺ) offered the Fajr Prayer near Khaibar when it was still dark and then said, "Allahu-Akbar! Khaibar is destroyed, for whenever we approach a (hostile) nation (to fight), then evil will be the morning for those who have been warned." Then the inhabitants of Khaibar came out running on the roads. The Prophet (ﷺ) had their warriors killed, their offspring and woman taken as captives. Safiya was amongst the captives, She first came in the share of Dahya Alkali but later on she belonged to the Prophet . The Prophet (ﷺ) made her manumission as her 'Mahr'.
The battle of Khaibar is a relatively model example of what Muhammad meant by Jihad following the conquest of Mecca (itself an offensive Jihad that began with strikes against caravans and culminated in an outright invasion). This model of Jihad continued right up until the gates of Vienna - although India has their own storied history with Islam (as does China). All of which pretty much play out the same way as Europe's experience with Islam.
There is a reason Bosnia and Pakistan exist.
The point is that fighting in the cause of Islam grants forgiveness.
For example - someone with a gambling addition may find it very difficult to live a lifestyle in which he will be rewarded in Islam. The only real guarantee for paradise is to become a martyr. Therefor, anyone with a set of vices or addictions has considerable motivation to become a martyr.
It's actually a very clever 'gimmick.' You convert the people who are typically the lesser desirable among society into warriors who are most likely to encounter attrition in the field. Islam uses these people to advance its territory and maintain authority over regions it controls.
Someone who is chronically depressed and who has a various history of abuses can very clearly read the writing on the wall. The guaranteed method of salvation is martyrdom. Not only this - but it also allows one to intercede judgment for family members. It is the ultimate way of atonement for sin and promises one who has been a burden upon society that he/she can become a road to guaranteed salvation for his family.
Key, here, is that salvation is not guaranteed to anyone but the martyr. People on their best behavior and of most devout following in their day-to-day life are not guaranteed salvation within Islam. In fact, in many cases, those who do not participate in military expeditions are specifically condemned as hypocrites within the Qu'ran.
So, not only is it not enough to just do good deeds in your day-to-day life, military expeditions are an obligation to be fulfilled - and only if you are martyred are you actually guaranteed salvation.
As for whether or not he is truly a martyr, there is no incident I can find that would support the claim that he is not a martyr. The closest I can find is this:
Sahih al-Bukhari 4234 When we conquered Khaibar, we gained neither gold nor silver as booty, but we gained cows, camels, goods and gardens. Then we departed with Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) to the valley of Al-Qira, and at that time Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) had a slave called Mid`am who had been presented to him by one of Banu Ad-Dibbab. While the slave was dismounting the saddle of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) an arrow the thrower of which was unknown, came and hit him. The people said, "Congratulations to him for the martyrdom." Allah's Apostle said, "No, by Him in Whose Hand my soul is, the sheet (of cloth) which he had taken (illegally) on the day of Khaibar from the booty before the distribution of the booty, has become a flame of Fire burning him." On hearing that, a man brought one or two leather straps of shoes to the Prophet and said, "These are things I took (illegally)." On that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "This is a strap, or these are two straps of Fire."
In this case, one of Muhammad's slaves, who took from the pillage of Khaibar against the teachings of Muhammad, was declared to not be a martyr when an archer scored a killing blow against him. Within this context, the slave did not appear to be actively engaging in battle at that time - although the account is not descript. It sounds like they were patrolling the valley and the equivalent of a sniper took a shot at the slave.
Since the slave had acted illegally, simply dying while on an expedition was not enough to classify him as a martyr.
It's also possible that Muhammad was just pissed that people were plundering however they liked and decided that he needed to seize upon the opportunity to nip that in the bud. From a leadership standpoint - it makes perfect sense. "No, you idiots, you don't get cookies in the afterlife for stealing from the loot drops. Knock that shit off."
First of all, I'm a muslim so you don't have to tell me what islam is or isn't about, who's a muslim or who isn't, or what I should keep in mind about islam.
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I'm quite sure An Nawawi knows better what the supererogatory deeds are, than you do.
But you're right, the hadith is kind of self explanatory. Enemies of islam, who fight islam, can be fought. No biggie. You Americans also fight your enemies all over the world. Or, are you trying to tell that only you can kill in the name of freedom, democracy or whatever?
Here is what happened:
"The Banu al Mustaliq, allied to the Quraish of Mecca, were the subject to a pre-emptive attack by Muhammad in the month of Sha'ban of the year 626 (5 AH).Muhammad had received news that the tribe was gathering together against the Muslims under the leadership of al-Harith ibn Abi Dirar. The Muslim force met the Banu Mustaliq in battle at a watering place called al-Muraysi‘ and defeated them soundly, taking the Mustaliq chief, al-Harith and others captive."
"According to Ibn Ishaq, Muhammad called upon his followers to kill Ka'b because the latter "had gone to Mecca after Badr and provoked Quraysh against Muhammad. He also composed verses in which he bewailed the victims of Quraysh who had been killed at Badr. Shortly afterwards he returned to Medina and composed amatory verses of an insulting nature about the Muslim women." Other historiographical sources state that the reason for killing of Ka'b was that he had plotted with a group of Jews to kill Muhammad. The writings of the later commentators such as al-Zamakhshari, al-Tabarsi, al-Razi and al-Baydawi provide another distinct report according to which Ka'b was killed because Gabriel had informed Muhammad about a treaty signed by himself and Aba Sufyan creating an alliance between the Quraysh and forty Jews against Muhammad during Ka'b's visit to Mecca (According to Professor Uri Rubin, some allusions to the existence of an anti-Muslim treaty between Quraysh and Ibn al-Ashraf may be found in the earlier sources)It needs to be mentioned that Kaab's tribe Banu Alnadeer were in a peace treaty with the Muslims and Kaab inciting the tribes of Mecca to fight the Muslims was in violation with the rules of the treaty which he was bound by ."
In any case, as I said, I rather blame his drug abuse and depression. He could really have tweeted just about anything. Had he not been a muslim, but a secular Beatles fan, let’s say, tweeting a Beatles song (f.e the melancholic Yesterday), would you blame Beatles for the shooting? (Note that the murderer of Lennon was supposed to be a Lennon fan, actually).
I do condemn his abuse and careless shooting endangering civilians. But I also condemn the American army and drones killing muslims (or any civilians for that matter).
Note that if this guy really did kill because of islam, it means he didn’t kill the marines simply because they were non-muslims, but because they were members of the army that barely had a year in the US’s history without some kind of an armed conflict. An army that is responsible for millions of deaths. An organization that is still responsible for the deaths of muslims, an organization of which you were also a member, you who’d wipe out all muslims in an instant without a second thought, you who said that the life of an acquaintance of yours is worth more than the life of 1,4 billion people…Which is fine, really . But again, your opinion holds no more value to me than those lives to you.
Your method is as follows:
"Dattebayo" > see, this quote proves islam is violent...
It's really getting annoying. You left for a month, you've read some hadiths, and you quote them here just to show off how much you've studied islam...
I've already linked that thread, but I'll copy the relevant explanation here, regarding that hadith (it's from An Nawawi):
"So, what does it mean when he says,“to fight the people”? This is the most controversial and misunderstood part of the hadith. Does “people” refer to everyone, a certain group, or is there further context to this hadith? Based on the context of the life of the Prophet (sas), and the actions of the generations after him, it’s understood that this hadith does not refer to all people, by any means. There were many people that he didn’t fight and people with whom we had peace contracts. There were also people that paid jizya. They were not Muslims, but they paid this tax to the Muslim state in order to be protected and to receive services.
Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalani (ra), in his explanation of Sahih Al Bukhari, mentions five or six different possibilities for what “the people” could mean. The main point in that discussion is that the hadith refers to a particular type of people.
One specific incident that occurred, related to the context of this hadith, is that a group of people decided that they would no longer pay zakah when Abu Bakr became the leader of the Muslim nation. Abu Bakr took the stance that he would fight them unless they paid zakah. Many of the other companions disagreed with him, and Abu Bakr would refer to this narration, and others would refer to the narrations that don’t have the mention of establishing prayer and paying zakah.
Umar (ra) disagreed with him and argued with him for a while. Umar later said, “When I saw that Allah had made Abu Bakr so convinced with his opinion, then I, myself, also become convinced with his opinion.” Abu Bakr said that you couldn’t distinguish between these things. They are all fundamentals of the faith and cannot be denied, in particular establishing prayer and paying zakah because of this narration.
Another point to mention is that when the believers start to establish prayer and pay zakah, they gain protection from Allah (swt) for their lives and property, unless they commit acts that are punishable in Islam, such as murder or adultery. It is important to remember that this whole discussion revolved around the responsibilities of a Muslim state, and does not really apply to us. However, what does apply to us, directly, is the issue of whether this statement means that Muslims are commanded to fight all mankind. The answer is no, based on what was said before and specifically looking at the life of the Prophet (sas)."
Another one:
"This narration lists some of the pillars of Islam that Muslims must adhere to. The fighting being ordained here refers to the enforcement of laws and regulations within an Islamic state. Just as modern governments enforce their legal policies, so to does the Islamic state. These legal policies refer to Muslims paying their Zakah (charity tax) and abiding by the laws in an Islamic state. Those who understood the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) the best, were his companions, and we can examine their application of the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) to derive a better understanding. We find that after the death of the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him), many hypocrites who had pretended to be Muslim began to turn away and leave their religious duties, one example was Zakah (the charity tax). They wanted to compromise the commands of God. It was then that Abu Bakr, the First Caliph and the Caliph of that time, cited this narration to make it clear that a compromise would not be tolerated and he would fight them until they agreed to follow Islam in full. The fighting that resulted was known as the Riddah wars. Similarly, we can see that today's governments would not tolerate it if a citizen refused to pay tax or abide by the laws of the country. If one lives in a state or country they must abide by the regulations to ensure a secure and healthy society. We should note that the 'people' referred to in this narration does not refer to all of humanity. As Sheikh Ahmed Ibn Taymiyah says:
"It refers to fighting those who are waging war, whom Allah has permitted us to fight. It does not refer to those who have a covenant with us with whom Allah commands us to fulfill our covenant. "[Majmu` al-Fatawa 19/20]
Clearly, this narration does not refer to imposing Islam upon non-Muslims..."
A better listing is in surah 23:
Certainly will the believers have succeeded:
They who are during their prayer humbly submissive
And they who turn away from ill speech
And they who are observant of zakah
And they who guard their private parts
Except from their wives or those their right hands possess, for indeed, they will not be blamed -
But whoever seeks beyond that, then those are the transgressors -
And they who are to their trusts and their promises attentive
And they who carefully maintain their prayers -
Or the so called 'ten commandments' in the Quran:
Say, "Come, I will recite what your Lord has prohibited to you. [He commands] that you not associate anything with Him, and to parents, good treatment, and do not kill your children out of poverty; We will provide for you and them. And do not approach immoralities - what is apparent of them and what is concealed. And do not kill the soul which Allah has forbidden [to be killed] except by [legal] right. This has He instructed you that you may use reason."
And do not approach the orphan's property except in a way that is best until he reaches maturity. And give full measure and weight in justice. We do not charge any soul except [with that within] its capacity. And when you testify, be just, even if [it concerns] a near relative. And the covenant of Allah fulfill. This has He instructed you that you may remember.
And, [moreover], this is My path, which is straight, so follow it; and do not follow [other] ways, for you will be separated from His way. This has He instructed you that you may become righteous.
A more extended 'version' of that is in surah 17:
And your Lord has decreed that you not worship except Him, and to parents, good treatment. Whether one or both of them reach old age [while] with you, say not to them [so much as], "uff," and do not repel them but speak to them a noble word.
And lower to them the wing of humility out of mercy and say, "My Lord, have mercy upon them as they brought me up [when I was] small."
Your Lord is most knowing of what is within yourselves. If you should be righteous [in intention] - then indeed He is ever, to the often returning [to Him], Forgiving.
And give the relative his right, and [also] the poor and the traveler, and do not spend wastefully.
Indeed, the wasteful are brothers of the devils, and ever has Satan been to his Lord ungrateful.
And if you [must] turn away from the needy awaiting mercy from your Lord which you expect, then speak to them a gentle word.
Indeed, your Lord extends provision for whom He wills and restricts [it]. Indeed He is ever, concerning His servants, Acquainted and Seeing.
And do not kill your children for fear of poverty. We provide for them and for you. Indeed, their killing is ever a great sin.
And do not approach unlawful sexual intercourse. Indeed, it is ever an immorality and is evil as a way.
And do not kill the soul which Allah has forbidden, except by right. And whoever is killed unjustly - We have given his heir authority, but let him not exceed limits in [the matter of] taking life. Indeed, he has been supported [by the law].
And do not approach the property of an orphan, except in the way that is best, until he reaches maturity. And fulfill [every] commitment. Indeed, the commitment is ever [that about which one will be] questioned.
And give full measure when you measure, and weigh with an even balance. That is the best [way] and best in result.
And do not pursue that of which you have no knowledge. Indeed, the hearing, the sight and the heart - about all those [one] will be questioned.
And do not walk upon the earth exultantly. Indeed, you will never tear the earth [apart], and you will never reach the mountains in height.
All that - its evil is ever, in the sight of your Lord, detested.
That is from what your Lord has revealed to you, [O Muhammad], of wisdom. And, [O mankind], do not make [as equal] with Allah another deity, lest you be thrown into Hell, blamed and banished.
Or, a list with a hundred items containing the sayings of the Prophet pbuh on who is the best muslim:
All from authentic hadiths.
A muslim is someone who testifies that there is no God but Allah and Muhammad is His prophet. (In the most simple version of the creed). A true muslim is someone who follows the Quran and the Sunnah. But it is said that if someone keeps the 5 pillars, and abstains from major sins, that person will go to Paradise just as well. But ultimately noone knows who'll go to Hell, or Heaven. Someone might keep the 5 pillars, or even more, but it might be that the person wsa doing those things only out of habit or showing off to humans. And that person might go to Hell. Who knows. That's why I don't really care tbh why you're so adamant on convincing me that you know better who's a muslim and who isn't.
9:6 And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah . Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know.
9:13 Would you not fight a people who broke their oaths and determined to expel the Messenger, and they had begun [the attack upon] you the first time? Do you fear them? But Allah has more right that you should fear Him, if you are [truly] believers.
You're really boring, bro. I'm amazed you don't feel sorry for all the time you've wasted here posting the same things over and over again. I guess you also have the links and quotes saved in documents and bookmarks- that is, if you think alike me But don't worry, I have and in sha Allah will always be here to answer you. I guess I'll also just start copy pasting the same answers...
"(The third is) a hypocrite who strove with his life and his wealth, and when he met the enemy he fought for the sake of Allaah and was killed. He will be in Hell, for the sword does not erase hypocrisy.” "
So much for your limited and inferior knowledge on the topic. I'm not gonna read the rest of your ranting, sorry.
Good thing you mention fitnah here, you should have checked first my reply in the other thread on the topic.
So, I'm just gonna leave the link here:
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Yet you took the time to tell us what this hadith is about. Gee.
I'm quite sure An Nawawi knows better what the supererogatory deeds are, than you do.
But you're right, the hadith is kind of self explanatory. Enemies of islam, who fight islam, can be fought. No biggie. You Americans also fight your enemies all over the world. Or, are you trying to tell that only you can kill in the name of freedom, democracy or whatever?
Bro. This is the first time I'm telling you this and I hope this will be the last: sorry, but even my patience has a limit. Stop quoting hadiths and ayat just to make it seem that you're some kind of an expert. Please do some proper research, because I'm quite sure you're intelligent enough to use a search engine (Google). At this point you're really just wasting my time. If you're interested enough to read hadiths, I'd suppose you're also interested in explanations. You should look them up for yourself. If I see you quoting hadiths pell-mell just coz at first sight it seems to support your antiislamic claims- I'll just ignore it. Come to me with legit arguments.
Here is what happened:
"The Banu al Mustaliq, allied to the Quraish of Mecca, were the subject to a pre-emptive attack by Muhammad in the month of Sha'ban of the year 626 (5 AH).Muhammad had received news that the tribe was gathering together against the Muslims under the leadership of al-Harith ibn Abi Dirar. The Muslim force met the Banu Mustaliq in battle at a watering place called al-Muraysi‘ and defeated them soundly, taking the Mustaliq chief, al-Harith and others captive."
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Same as above. And how many times will you bring up Bin Ashraf? It's getting boring. He tried to incite war against muslims.
"According to Ibn Ishaq, Muhammad called upon his followers to kill Ka'b because the latter "had gone to Mecca after Badr and provoked Quraysh against Muhammad. He also composed verses in which he bewailed the victims of Quraysh who had been killed at Badr. Shortly afterwards he returned to Medina and composed amatory verses of an insulting nature about the Muslim women." Other historiographical sources state that the reason for killing of Ka'b was that he had plotted with a group of Jews to kill Muhammad. The writings of the later commentators such as al-Zamakhshari, al-Tabarsi, al-Razi and al-Baydawi provide another distinct report according to which Ka'b was killed because Gabriel had informed Muhammad about a treaty signed by himself and Aba Sufyan creating an alliance between the Quraysh and forty Jews against Muhammad during Ka'b's visit to Mecca (According to Professor Uri Rubin, some allusions to the existence of an anti-Muslim treaty between Quraysh and Ibn al-Ashraf may be found in the earlier sources)It needs to be mentioned that Kaab's tribe Banu Alnadeer were in a peace treaty with the Muslims and Kaab inciting the tribes of Mecca to fight the Muslims was in violation with the rules of the treaty which he was bound by ."
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Whether he was a martyr or not, I have no authority to decide that. Nor do you, so this convo is really pointless, it won’t get you anywhere. You made a claim, you can’t prove it. You might bring up points to support that, but I can bring you counters. You don’t have to agree with my interpretation, I don’t have to agree with yours. Jihad is defensive war. In battle („Fight them collectively as they fight you collectively).” Individuals have no right to carry out punishments. This guy was not attacked, American muslims are not really oppressed (yet) by the majority, etc. I’m more inclined to say he was not a martyr. But tbh, I don’t have to say anything in the first place. I especially don’t need to apologize to you, who’s determined to annihilate muslims in the world…So it’s a matter of time till you’ll do a shooting. Though you might be more clever than that, knowing that killing a few muslims wouldn’t get you anywhere and wouldn’t change much. Tho, you’ve been a member for yrs posting the same old things…and nothing happened. Maybe you’ve just got a big mouth.
In any case, as I said, I rather blame his drug abuse and depression. He could really have tweeted just about anything. Had he not been a muslim, but a secular Beatles fan, let’s say, tweeting a Beatles song (f.e the melancholic Yesterday), would you blame Beatles for the shooting? (Note that the murderer of Lennon was supposed to be a Lennon fan, actually).
I do condemn his abuse and careless shooting endangering civilians. But I also condemn the American army and drones killing muslims (or any civilians for that matter).
Note that if this guy really did kill because of islam, it means he didn’t kill the marines simply because they were non-muslims, but because they were members of the army that barely had a year in the US’s history without some kind of an armed conflict. An army that is responsible for millions of deaths. An organization that is still responsible for the deaths of muslims, an organization of which you were also a member, you who’d wipe out all muslims in an instant without a second thought, you who said that the life of an acquaintance of yours is worth more than the life of 1,4 billion people…Which is fine, really . But again, your opinion holds no more value to me than those lives to you.
Again, how is this exactly relevant?
Your method is as follows:
"Dattebayo" > see, this quote proves islam is violent...
It's really getting annoying. You left for a month, you've read some hadiths, and you quote them here just to show off how much you've studied islam...
Yet.
The Quran and the hadith mention dozens or hundreds of characteristics and actions that a muslim is supposed to possess/practice. It's still not your authority to decide who is a muslim and who is not- unless you are God and can read minds. You can have an opinion- but that's it, just an opinion.
You know what's funny? I've already answered this in the other thread, in advance, yoz I knew you'd bring this up. Don't believe me? Check the time of that post. The last time I edited that was before you made this reply.
I've already linked that thread, but I'll copy the relevant explanation here, regarding that hadith (it's from An Nawawi):
"So, what does it mean when he says,“to fight the people”? This is the most controversial and misunderstood part of the hadith. Does “people” refer to everyone, a certain group, or is there further context to this hadith? Based on the context of the life of the Prophet (sas), and the actions of the generations after him, it’s understood that this hadith does not refer to all people, by any means. There were many people that he didn’t fight and people with whom we had peace contracts. There were also people that paid jizya. They were not Muslims, but they paid this tax to the Muslim state in order to be protected and to receive services.
Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalani (ra), in his explanation of Sahih Al Bukhari, mentions five or six different possibilities for what “the people” could mean. The main point in that discussion is that the hadith refers to a particular type of people.
One specific incident that occurred, related to the context of this hadith, is that a group of people decided that they would no longer pay zakah when Abu Bakr became the leader of the Muslim nation. Abu Bakr took the stance that he would fight them unless they paid zakah. Many of the other companions disagreed with him, and Abu Bakr would refer to this narration, and others would refer to the narrations that don’t have the mention of establishing prayer and paying zakah.
Umar (ra) disagreed with him and argued with him for a while. Umar later said, “When I saw that Allah had made Abu Bakr so convinced with his opinion, then I, myself, also become convinced with his opinion.” Abu Bakr said that you couldn’t distinguish between these things. They are all fundamentals of the faith and cannot be denied, in particular establishing prayer and paying zakah because of this narration.
Another point to mention is that when the believers start to establish prayer and pay zakah, they gain protection from Allah (swt) for their lives and property, unless they commit acts that are punishable in Islam, such as murder or adultery. It is important to remember that this whole discussion revolved around the responsibilities of a Muslim state, and does not really apply to us. However, what does apply to us, directly, is the issue of whether this statement means that Muslims are commanded to fight all mankind. The answer is no, based on what was said before and specifically looking at the life of the Prophet (sas)."
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Another one:
"This narration lists some of the pillars of Islam that Muslims must adhere to. The fighting being ordained here refers to the enforcement of laws and regulations within an Islamic state. Just as modern governments enforce their legal policies, so to does the Islamic state. These legal policies refer to Muslims paying their Zakah (charity tax) and abiding by the laws in an Islamic state. Those who understood the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) the best, were his companions, and we can examine their application of the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) to derive a better understanding. We find that after the death of the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him), many hypocrites who had pretended to be Muslim began to turn away and leave their religious duties, one example was Zakah (the charity tax). They wanted to compromise the commands of God. It was then that Abu Bakr, the First Caliph and the Caliph of that time, cited this narration to make it clear that a compromise would not be tolerated and he would fight them until they agreed to follow Islam in full. The fighting that resulted was known as the Riddah wars. Similarly, we can see that today's governments would not tolerate it if a citizen refused to pay tax or abide by the laws of the country. If one lives in a state or country they must abide by the regulations to ensure a secure and healthy society. We should note that the 'people' referred to in this narration does not refer to all of humanity. As Sheikh Ahmed Ibn Taymiyah says:
"It refers to fighting those who are waging war, whom Allah has permitted us to fight. It does not refer to those who have a covenant with us with whom Allah commands us to fulfill our covenant. "[Majmu` al-Fatawa 19/20]
Clearly, this narration does not refer to imposing Islam upon non-Muslims..."
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Why are you telling me these? You think I dunno that as a muslim I have to pray or give charity?
A better listing is in surah 23:
Certainly will the believers have succeeded:
They who are during their prayer humbly submissive
And they who turn away from ill speech
And they who are observant of zakah
And they who guard their private parts
Except from their wives or those their right hands possess, for indeed, they will not be blamed -
But whoever seeks beyond that, then those are the transgressors -
And they who are to their trusts and their promises attentive
And they who carefully maintain their prayers -
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Or the so called 'ten commandments' in the Quran:
Say, "Come, I will recite what your Lord has prohibited to you. [He commands] that you not associate anything with Him, and to parents, good treatment, and do not kill your children out of poverty; We will provide for you and them. And do not approach immoralities - what is apparent of them and what is concealed. And do not kill the soul which Allah has forbidden [to be killed] except by [legal] right. This has He instructed you that you may use reason."
And do not approach the orphan's property except in a way that is best until he reaches maturity. And give full measure and weight in justice. We do not charge any soul except [with that within] its capacity. And when you testify, be just, even if [it concerns] a near relative. And the covenant of Allah fulfill. This has He instructed you that you may remember.
And, [moreover], this is My path, which is straight, so follow it; and do not follow [other] ways, for you will be separated from His way. This has He instructed you that you may become righteous.
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A more extended 'version' of that is in surah 17:
And your Lord has decreed that you not worship except Him, and to parents, good treatment. Whether one or both of them reach old age [while] with you, say not to them [so much as], "uff," and do not repel them but speak to them a noble word.
And lower to them the wing of humility out of mercy and say, "My Lord, have mercy upon them as they brought me up [when I was] small."
Your Lord is most knowing of what is within yourselves. If you should be righteous [in intention] - then indeed He is ever, to the often returning [to Him], Forgiving.
And give the relative his right, and [also] the poor and the traveler, and do not spend wastefully.
Indeed, the wasteful are brothers of the devils, and ever has Satan been to his Lord ungrateful.
And if you [must] turn away from the needy awaiting mercy from your Lord which you expect, then speak to them a gentle word.
Indeed, your Lord extends provision for whom He wills and restricts [it]. Indeed He is ever, concerning His servants, Acquainted and Seeing.
And do not kill your children for fear of poverty. We provide for them and for you. Indeed, their killing is ever a great sin.
And do not approach unlawful sexual intercourse. Indeed, it is ever an immorality and is evil as a way.
And do not kill the soul which Allah has forbidden, except by right. And whoever is killed unjustly - We have given his heir authority, but let him not exceed limits in [the matter of] taking life. Indeed, he has been supported [by the law].
And do not approach the property of an orphan, except in the way that is best, until he reaches maturity. And fulfill [every] commitment. Indeed, the commitment is ever [that about which one will be] questioned.
And give full measure when you measure, and weigh with an even balance. That is the best [way] and best in result.
And do not pursue that of which you have no knowledge. Indeed, the hearing, the sight and the heart - about all those [one] will be questioned.
And do not walk upon the earth exultantly. Indeed, you will never tear the earth [apart], and you will never reach the mountains in height.
All that - its evil is ever, in the sight of your Lord, detested.
That is from what your Lord has revealed to you, [O Muhammad], of wisdom. And, [O mankind], do not make [as equal] with Allah another deity, lest you be thrown into Hell, blamed and banished.
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Or, a list with a hundred items containing the sayings of the Prophet pbuh on who is the best muslim:
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All from authentic hadiths.
In your interpretation, fine. In a general sense, I'd say a Christian is someone who believes that Jesus died on the cross for our sins so that we'd be saved. A 'true Christian' is someone who follows the footsteps of Christ.
A muslim is someone who testifies that there is no God but Allah and Muhammad is His prophet. (In the most simple version of the creed). A true muslim is someone who follows the Quran and the Sunnah. But it is said that if someone keeps the 5 pillars, and abstains from major sins, that person will go to Paradise just as well. But ultimately noone knows who'll go to Hell, or Heaven. Someone might keep the 5 pillars, or even more, but it might be that the person wsa doing those things only out of habit or showing off to humans. And that person might go to Hell. Who knows. That's why I don't really care tbh why you're so adamant on convincing me that you know better who's a muslim and who isn't.
Ah. Yet you couldn't prove anything so far, by quoting those middle eastern scholars. Not even Ibn Kathir supports your petty ego.
Tell me more.
See- I'm still here. Do something about it.
By the way, no.
So I guess America is not a sovereign nation, and never has been, not even when you dragged muslim slaves there. Cool story.
Gee, why not treat every American household as a cell for raising mass shooters?
No need to do that. You alredy have Guantanamo
If you say so...
Ok...
Guess you didn't get the irony...
It is certainly not extended to start aggression either Lol
Already explained those verses to you like a hundred times. Search back my replies to you, or just read my latest response that I linked...or read Ibn Kathir's tafseer, read scholars online...etc. But you know what? No need for that. Just read the verses you omitted:
9:6 And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah . Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know.
9:13 Would you not fight a people who broke their oaths and determined to expel the Messenger, and they had begun [the attack upon] you the first time? Do you fear them? But Allah has more right that you should fear Him, if you are [truly] believers.
You're really boring, bro. I'm amazed you don't feel sorry for all the time you've wasted here posting the same things over and over again. I guess you also have the links and quotes saved in documents and bookmarks- that is, if you think alike me
But don't worry, I have and in sha Allah will always be here to answer you. I guess I'll also just start copy pasting the same answers...Let me tell you a little secret:
Many things may get you forgiveness. Praying two rakat for minor sins, repenting, reading certain surat...etc. There's a hadith of a prostitute who gave water to a thirsty dog and coz of that, Allah forgave her
That's where you are wrong. There are exceptions when not even martyrdom guarantees you Paradise. F.e if you get matyred out of showing off to people.
"(The third is) a hypocrite who strove with his life and his wealth, and when he met the enemy he fought for the sake of Allaah and was killed. He will be in Hell, for the sword does not erase hypocrisy.” "
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So much for your limited and inferior knowledge on the topic. I'm not gonna read the rest of your ranting, sorry.
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