What does it take to be a Jonin in Konoha

[KesOnFire]

It takes this guy.

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[solorflare99]

How stupid, you try and downplay all the jonin of the leaf by saying the best of the other villages would win by excluding the best of the leaf? What does that accomplish?

Team 7 seven sucks excpt for Naruto Kakashi and Sasuke.

Sakura

put her up against the other teams in the K12 and they would lose.

 

[NahRooToe]

You have to remeber... not every single ninja in the NV is High tier! Majority of the ninjas are fodder compared to Naruto, or even Akatsuki members. Jonin are used in villages to lead genin and chunnin as well as handle missions. Every village has an anbu corp that handles the serious stuff and most times they weren't enough.

I can't really think of a Jonin who can take down any Akasuki member by themselves besides the ones taken out of the list in the beginning.

 

[Char Aznable]

How stupid, you try and downplay all the jonin of the leaf by saying the best of the other villages would win by excluding the best of the leaf? What does that accomplish?

Team 7 seven sucks excpt for Naruto Kakashi and Sasuke.

Sakura

put her up against the other teams in the K12 and they would lose.

Are these best in the Leaf Jonins?

Tsunade, Jiraiya and Danzo don't count.

 

[solorflare99]

Are these best in the Leaf Jonins?

Tsunade, Jiraiya and Danzo don't count.

and why would Danzo and Jiraiya not count? And I was talking about Guy Kakashi and Hiashi.

 

[Char Aznable]

and why would Danzo and Jiraiya not count? And I was talking about Guy Kakashi and Hiashi.

I listed them specifically in my initial posts as exceptions.

Danzo holds no official shinobi rank, but is the head of ROOT.

Jiraiya is a Sannin, and that is above Jonin.

 

[solorflare99]

I listed them specifically in my initial posts as exceptions.

Danzo holds no official shinobi rank, but is the head of ROOT.

Jiraiya is a Sannin, and that is above Jonin.

I can't tell if you are being stupid or stupid. Sannin isn't a rank Jiraiya is a Jonin. If you take the best out, what is the point in saying Konoha jonin sucked? Your just pitting the best from other villages against not the best from the leaf. You are just making yourself look like a bias *******.

 

[Char Aznable]

I can't tell if you are being stupid or stupid. Sannin isn't a rank Jiraiya is a Jonin. If you take the best out, what is the point in saying Konoha jonin sucked? Your just pitting the best from other villages against not the best from the leaf. You are just making yourself look like a bias *******.

Adding Jiraiya to the mix, doesn't suddenly rise the tide of the other jonins being weak in comparison to other villages.

Also, how does one be "stupid or stupid"?

 

[ToshiZO]

Why is Hiashi exempt? Kakashi and Gai are the only ones from your list that stand truly above the others. Hiashi belongs with the likes of Asuma.

 

[solorflare99]

Adding Jiraiya to the mix, doesn't suddenly rise the tide of the other jonins being weak in comparison to other villages.

Also, how does one be "stupid or stupid"?

The reason being that not everyone can be the best. Name the ninja of the other the village that make them look so weak.

"Stupid or stupid" when I have no other option but to think you are stupid.

 

[Char Aznable]

The reason being that not everyone can be the best. Name the ninja of the other the village that make them look so weak.

Already did with this list.

But not all Jonin are equal.

For example

If Asuma was set up to fight Darui, could Asuma win? I don't think so.

If it was Kurenai who was given the Land of Waves Mission and she had to fight Zabuza, could she win? No

If Yamato and Akatscuchi had a no holds bar throw-down, would Yamato win? I don't think so.

We already know Kabuto can take Shizune.

What if Anko was tasked with fighting Kurotsuchi?

Put the dad version of the Ino-Shika-Cho against Killer Bee (at Bee vs Taka fight) and it's a slaughter.


These are just the jonins of other villages vs the Leaf Jonin. You do see a disparity in their abilities. I didn't bring up any Akatsuki members, because they are so specialized and exceptional, but they would stomp the Leaf Jonins too. Add in people like the Gold and Silver Brothers and the 7 Swordsman of the Mist or the Jins killed by the Akatsuki, and the limitations of Leaf Jonin become more and more apparent.

Now, I'm not saying they all need to be distinct and powerful, but looking at the names of the Jonins we know, most are nothing to speak of. Better at beating up chunins and jonins weaker than themselves, than trading blows with the best from other villages.

"Stupid or stupid" when I have no other option but to think you are stupid.

Sure man. You can't form and argument to demonstrate my premises are wrong, so you resort to name calling.

Nice going.

 

[The Amazing Kaguya]

Pass Chunin exams and express aptitude in a specific field of ninja arts or create your own jutsu like Kakashi did.

All BS really. Naruto created the rasenshuriken and was never promoted to Jonin, all because he didn't pass a scenario based aptitude test, but can be assigned A and S rank missions regardless.

The Leaf has got it wrong.

 

[solorflare99]

Already did with this list.




Sure man. You can't form and argument to demonstrate my premises are wrong, so you resort to name calling.

Nice going.

See you prove my point why put not the best vs the other villages best? You aren't proving anything much for the other villages' other than a few names.

Jiraiya, Kakashi, and Guy slaughter most of who you named. but do you call the other villages weak?
The only people you can name who are debatable is Killer bee. Everyone else is too weak or a missing nin. and if you count missing nin you are bringing in the likes of Itachi, Orochimaru, Madara etc.

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

Stopped taking this seriously when I saw Shikaku in the "nothings" list. He was literally head of intelligence of the ninja war and orchestrated the countless strategies for the alliance.

TC: To be a joy in you have to not only be a highly capable fighter but you must also be a great leader. Basically a joy in is a super chunin. Though there are also a sub group below joy in known as special joy in who are above chunin but below jounin, special joy in are usually those that possess certain skills is a required area but are lacking in others. For example, Shizune is a special jouni, she's a great medic but probably not such a great leader.

Also I think you're grossly underestimating several of those jounin because you're comparing them demigod and godlike characters in Naruto due to the fights we've seen so far during juubi arc and above. But the only godlike characters are Naruto and sasuke at the moment, if an all out battle did happen in the past, konoha jounin would be able to stand ground, with Shikaku as head of intelligence, innochi using mind transmission and everyone relaying information, asuma could easily bisect most opponent's chakra, kurenai genjutsus her opponent to death. She's meant to be the best dojutsu user in the village but obviously someone like itachi would fodderize her but not every village is going to have someone on itachi level, especially not the average jounin. Etc etc, you really need to stop this bias, I don't think you know half of these jounin's abilities

 

[FemmeFatale]

The jonin of k11 was confirmed during the chunnin exams
Sakura and shikamaru
They were compared to them at a young age

 

[Char Aznable]

Also I think you're grossly underestimating several of those jounin because you're comparing them demigod and godlike characters in Naruto due to the fights we've seen so far during juubi arc and above. But the only godlike characters are Naruto and sasuke at the moment, if an all out battle did happen in the past, konoha jounin would be able to stand ground, with Shikaku as head of intelligence, innochi using mind transmission and everyone relaying information, asuma could easily bisect most opponent's chakra, kurenai genjutsus her opponent to death. She's meant to be the best dojutsu user in the village but obviously someone like itachi would fodderize her but not every village is going to have someone on itachi level, especially not the average jounin. Etc etc, you really need to stop this bias, I don't think you know half of these jounin's abilities

I did not mention god tiers, Akatsuki or Kage level ninja on purpose, you know.

I'm comparing the Jonin of the Leaf, as a whole, with the Jonin of other villages. As I have listed.

Compared to their counterparts from other villages, Leaf Jonin seem weak.

Tell me, do you believe Asuma could do what Darui did, and defeat Ginkaku and Kinkaku at the same time? No, and Darui is a jonin.

Akatscuhi managed several high level earth style justus, one of which trapped the Juubi momentarily. Do you think Genma can take him on?

Kakashi should that genjutsu can affect Zabuza, but does that mean Kurenai can beat him? Hahahaha, no.

Anko and Yamato could team up and they'd still lose to pre-dragon sage mode Kabuto. Kabuto who single-handily killed a squad of Anbu ninja like it was nothing.

Cee is a medic, sensor and genjutsu specialist. Way handier that Shizune.

Leaf Jonin just come up short when it comes to aptitude, is what I'm saying.


Also, Kurenai is going to genjutsu someone to death? How? When? Where did you get that idea?

 

[PT1990]

Because with the exceptions of Guy, Kakashi with sharingan, and Hiashi most of the Leaf Jonin are nothing special.

Asuma
Kurenai
Ebisu
Shizune
Anko
Yamato
Ibiki
Inochi
Shikaku
Chouza
Tsume
Genma

If there was an all out war with, say the best from either Kumo, Kiri or Tschui, the Konoha Jonin would lose.

Guys like Kakashi or Gai are elite Jounins, they are best of the best. It doesnt mean that every Jounin has to be that strong. Asuma by himself was able to own whole Oto squad that had one Jounin within them. Jounins differs by strenght.

 

[Narutobirama]

But not all Jonin are equal.

For example

If Asuma was set up to fight Darui, could Asuma win? I don't think so.

If it was Kurenai who was given the Land of Waves Mission and she had to fight Zabuza, could she win? No

If Yamato and Akatscuchi had a no holds bar throw-down, would Yamato win? I don't think so.

We already know Kabuto can take Shizune.

What if Anko was tasked with fighting Kurotsuchi?

Put the dad version of the Ino-Shika-Cho against Killer Bee (at Bee vs Taka fight) and it's a slaughter.


These are just the jonins of other villages vs the Leaf Jonin. You do see a disparity in their abilities. I didn't bring up any Akatsuki members, because they are so specialized and exceptional, but they would stomp the Leaf Jonins too. Add in people like the Gold and Silver Brothers and the 7 Swordsman of the Mist or the Jins killed by the Akatsuki, and the limitations of Leaf Jonin become more and more apparent.

Now, I'm not saying they all need to be distinct and powerful, but looking at the names of the Jonins we know, most are nothing to speak of. Better at beating up chunins and jonins weaker than themselves, than trading blows with the best from other villages.

First of all, many Shinobi you named such as Ebisu, Anko, Genma, Ibiki and likely some others are not Jonin. They are Tokubetsu Jonin. Which means that they are specialized in some area but overall they are not on the level of jonin.

Asuma beating Darui would be hard but keep in mind Darui became Raikage.

If it was Kurenai just fighting Zabuza, I wouldn't underestimate her. Zabuza has shown no defense against Genjutsu while Kurenai is a Genjutsu expert. She actually managed to put Kisame under Genjutsu. Also, keep in mind we rarely saw her so we don't know much about her other skills.

Yamato would probably win against Akatsuchi. Because Akatsuchi has shown almost no abilities. And for the most part, he simply carried Onoki on his shoulder.

Kabuto can defeat Shizune. And she almost killed him and it was luck that saved him that the needle hit his forehead protector. Even Kabuto admitted Shizune was strong. But keep in mind Kabuto is far above ordinary Jonin.

Anko would lose but she is not a full Jonin. And keep in mind Kurotsuchi became Tsuchikage.

Killer Bee is a Jinchuriki capable of fighting and outmatching Mangekyo Sharingan Sasuke and his team.

Instead of putting those who are Jonin or below against those who are at least above ordinary Jonin, put them against Jonin such as Cee, Ao, Baki, Dodai or Mabui.

 

[Char Aznable]

First of all, many Shinobi you named such as Ebisu, Anko, Genma, Ibiki and likely some others are not Jonin. They are Tokubetsu Jonin. Which means that they are specialized in some area but overall they are not on the level of jonin.

Asuma beating Darui would be hard but keep in mind Darui became Raikage.

If it was Kurenai just fighting Zabuza, I wouldn't underestimate her. Zabuza has shown no defense against Genjutsu while Kurenai is a Genjutsu expert. She actually managed to put Kisame under Genjutsu. Also, keep in mind we rarely saw her so we don't know much about her other skills.

Yamato would probably win against Akatsuchi. Because Akatsuchi has shown almost no abilities. And for the most part, he simply carried Onoki on his shoulder.

Kabuto can defeat Shizune. And she almost killed him and it was luck that saved him that the needle hit his forehead protector. Even Kabuto admitted Shizune was strong. But keep in mind Kabuto is far above ordinary Jonin.

Anko would lose but she is not a full Jonin. And keep in mind Kurotsuchi became Tsuchikage.

Killer Bee is a Jinchuriki capable of fighting and outmatching Mangekyo Sharingan Sasuke and his team.

Instead of putting those who are Jonin or below against those who are at least above ordinary Jonin, put them against Jonin such as Cee, Ao, Baki, Dodai or Mabui.

Asuma was the son of the 3rd Hokage and Darui was a student of the 3rd Raikage. Difference is Darui stayed and studied under the Raikage, while Asuma brushed off his father's lessons and went his own way. While Darui and Asuma may not have the same potential (physically), they both had the same opportunity to get better by sticking with their respective Kages. Darui single handidly defeated the Gold and Silver brothers, who both fought Full Kurama and survived inside the beasts stomach and gain some of his chakra. While the strongest opponent Asuma beat were Sound Jonin.

Tenketsu Jonin are still Jonin, because Jonin is in their title. They aren't Chunin. Ebisu is a tenketsu Jonin and he leads a squad of Genin.

Baki killed Hayate, a Leaf Jonin.

Mabui has no combat feats. Cee, Ao, Chojuro Dodai are fair, but I still think they could outperform Leaf Jonin.

Akatschui does have combat feats. He has stone golem, that huge mountain justu and he can fly like Ohnoki and Kurotsuchi.

 

[Narutobirama]

Asuma was the son of the 3rd Hokage and Darui was a student of the 3rd Raikage. Difference is Darui stayed and studied under the Raikage, while Asuma brushed off his father's lessons and went his own way. While Darui and Asuma may not have the same potential (physically), they both had the same opportunity to get better by sticking with their respective Kages. Darui single handidly defeated the Gold and Silver brothers, who both fought Full Kurama and survived inside the beasts stomach and gain some of his chakra. While the strongest opponent Asuma beat were Sound Jonin.

Tenketsu Jonin are still Jonin, because Jonin is in their title. They aren't Chunin. Ebisu is a tenketsu Jonin and he leads a squad of Genin.

Baki killed Hayate, a Leaf Jonin.

Mabui has no combat feats. Cee, Ao, Chojuro Dodai are fair, but I still think they could outperform Leaf Jonin.

Akatschui does have combat feats. He has stone golem, that huge mountain justu and he can fly like Ohnoki and Kurotsuchi.

Tokubetsu Jonin is a Jonin but below ordinary Jonin.

Simply put, Jonin and Tokubetsu Jonin are two separate ranks. While Tokubetsu Jonin is still a kind of Jonin, it is no wonder they are outmatched by those whose rank is "Jonin".

Tokubetsu Jonin are not necessarily specialized for fighting. For example, Ibiki is Tokubetsu Jonin. While he is not that great fighter compared to "Jonin", he is an excellent interrogator.

Baki was Jonin. Hayate was Tokubetsu Jonin, which explains why Hayate lost. Also, keep in mind Hayate still did quite well, considering he was somewhat sick and fought Shinobi who was a bad matchup for him.

Mabui does not have combat feats, neither does many of Konoha Jonin, which is why there is no reason to underestimate them by comparing them to those that have.

Cee, Ao and Dodai are strong but I think Konoha Jonin are better. Chojuro should not be included because he is Mizukage and one of the seven swordsman.

Actually, he can't fly on his own. It was Onoki who can use Jutsu that allows him to fly for a short time. Also, the one you are talking about using Mountain Jutsu was Kitsuchi, not Akatsuchi.