Sasuke's Ninjutsu Potential

[Apêx1]

You're obviously trolling Flare.

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All 6 elements. Yin-Yang entails things like Shikamaru's shadow possession, Ino's mind switch, Choji's expansion, negating all ninjutsu, etc.

 

[Waltz]

Yes but they count as their own element. Kakashi refers to the amount of elements Yamato has as 3 not 2.

Mokuton is Doton + Suiton + Yoton energy (life force energy taken from the user). It requires this because it is a technique based on the physical energy that governs vitality; That is the energy that can be used to breathe life into form which is what makes mokuton appear "Alive". Yoton energy is not Nature transformation.​

You're obviously trolling Flare.

I wonder. ​

 

[Apêx1]

^Yep. You don't see anybody claiming you need to learn Yin release to use Genjutsu because Yin is not a nature transformation. Only Yin-Yang is a nature transformation.

 

[Rιver]

Yin and Yang are seperate elements Apex. Yin-Yang release is a Kekkei Genkai.

That's probably a mistake in translation because one can use just Yin release or Yang release. So solarflare is right on this one.

EDIT: Actually never mind translation says nature transformation and not element.

 

[solorflare99]

You're obviously trolling Flare.

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All 6 elements. Yin-Yang entails things like Shikamaru's shadow possession, Ino's mind switch, Choji's expansion, negating all ninjutsu, etc.

So then what is yin release?

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and why is YinYang release specific to Rikudo Sage Mode.

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[Rιver]

Element/release =/= nature transformation. Dude do you think genjutsu is nature transformation?

 

[solorflare99]

You are calling me trolls yet Im the only one using scan. I'm beginning to think you can't read.

Element/release =/= nature transformation. Dude do you think genjutsu is nature transformation?

Alright then what is the 6th nature transformation that Nagato has? It is either Yin or Yang.

Mokuton is Doton + Suiton + Yoton energy (life force energy taken from the user). It requires this because it is a technique based on the physical energy that governs vitality; That is the energy that can be used to breathe life into form which is what makes mokuton appear "Alive". Yoton energy is not Nature transformation.​

I wonder. ​

Read the scan bro. 3 INCLUDING Mokuton.

 

[Rιver]

You are calling me trolls yet Im the only one using scan. I'm beginning to think you can't read.



Alright then what is the 6th nature transformation that Nagato has? It is either Yin or Yang.





Read the scan bro. 3 INCLUDING Mokuton.

Yin-Yang is the nature transformation and Yin and Yang are elements.

Kind of like Mokuton here. Mokuton is the nature transformation and Suiton and Doton are the elements. There is no Mokuton element to begin with.

Though, Yin-Yang release exists but its KKG. Also Apex was wrong about those Yin-Yang jutsus, none of them are Yin-Yang.

 

[Varrah]

So then what is yin release?

Yin Release is spiritual energy governing imagination. Spiritual energy, one of the prerequisite of forming chakra, is the basis of Yin Release. ​

Why is Yin-Yang release specific to Rikudo Sage Mode?

May I ask you to clarify this sentence? Do you mean why is Yin-Yang likened to Sage Mode?​

Alright then what is the 6th nature transformation that Nagato has? It is either Yin or Yang.

The sixth type of Seishitsu Henka or Nature Transformation is Yang and Yin.​

 

[solorflare99]

Edit sorry guys, I dun goofed. Naruto said it was 3 not Kakashi. Still

Argument from fallacy:

"is the formal fallacy of analyzing an argument and inferring that, since it contains a fallacy, its conclusion must be false.[1] It is also called argument to logic (argumentum ad logicam), fallacy fallacy,[2] fallacist's fallacy,[3] and bad reasons fallacy."

My main argument still stands and hasn't been countered

Kakashi has All 5 Nature release yet admitted he can't copy KKG

 

[solorflare99]

Yin-Yang is the nature transformation and Yin and Yang are elements.

Kind of like Mokuton here. Mokuton is the nature transformation and Suiton and Doton are the elements. There is no Mokuton element to begin with.

Though, Yin-Yang release exists but its KKG.

It say 6 nature manipulation chakra not Nature transformation so what are you trying to get at. Also why hasn't my question been answered. What is the 6th?

Yin Release is spiritual energy governing imagination. Spiritual energy, one of the prerequisite of forming chakra, is the basis of Yin Release. ​

May I ask you to clarify this sentence? Do you mean why is Yin-Yang likened to Sage Mode?​

The sixth type of Seishitsu Henka or Nature Transformation is Yang and Yin.​

Why hasn't anyone else use Yin-Yang release besides Juubi jinchuriki/RSM users?

 

[Worm]

Does he even need KKG? I mean, he pretty much has Raiton Armor going by your analysis and that makes him quite haxxed already if you couple Raiton Armor's inner working with his other abilities. Though, I don't see why he shouldn't be capable of using KKG.

 

[Varrah]

Edit sorry guys, I dun goofed. Naruto said it was 3 not Kakashi. Still

Argument from fallacy:

"is the formal fallacy of analyzing an argument and inferring that, since it contains a fallacy, its conclusion must be false.[1] It is also called argument to logic (argumentum ad logicam), fallacy fallacy,[2] fallacist's fallacy,[3] and bad reasons fallacy."

My main argument still stands and hasn't been countered

Kakashi has All 5 Nature release yet admitted he can't c.opy KKG

I do not who called your argument a fallacy, but in any case, Kakashi's statement needs to be contextualized. The insightfulness and hypnosis grows with the user, hence is why Sasuke was able to

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Obito as the Ten-Tails Jinchūriki, a substantial improvement of the Sharingan’s insightfulness, specifically, its clairvoyance, and why Sasuke was able to

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the chakra flow of Naruto and adjust his ratio of chakra for a combinative attack. The Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan increases the insightfulness of the Sharingan (due to the donor's Mangekyō Sharingan chakra mixing with the patient's chakra alongside the user's own capacity); that its clairvoyance, its ability to see and memorize chakra strains/ratios and movements and its ability to see the Inner Coils or chakra circulatory system.​

Why hasn't anyone else use Yin-Yang release besides Juubi jinchuriki/RSM users?

Takes awareness and skill to do. I think Susanoō may be a form of Yin-Yang, but ehh. But Rin'negan chakra rods are a good example of Yin-Yang.​

 

[Rιver]

It say 6 nature manipulation chakra not Nature transformation so what are you trying to get at. Also why hasn't my question been answered. What is the 6th?



Why hasn't anyone else use Yin-Yang release besides Juubi jinchuriki/RSM users?

What do you not understand? Yin release is not nature transformation nor Yang. They are elements. You need to combine them to get the nature transformation.

Also it's because they are Kekkei Genkai and they have been used you just haven't seen it. Chakra rods are a good example, used by Nagato but because he had Rinnegan. Same with Madara.

Yin element and Yang element can be used to create a jutsu, but it won't be nature transformation. However, when you combine them you get nature transformation. But, you can't do it without the KKG.

Also I want to take back what I said, Yin-Yang is not even an element, it's just a KKG and nature transformation.

Nature transformation =/= element. Wood, Lava and Dust are all nature transformations yet none are an actual element as Yamato stated. The 6 nature transformations do not represent all elements. There are actually more than that.

 

[solorflare99]

I do not who called your argument a fallacy, but in any case, Kakashi's statement needs to be contextualized. The insightfulness and hypnosis grows with the user, hence is why Sasuke was able to

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Obito as the Ten-Tails Jinchūriki, a substantial improvement of the Sharingan’s insightfulness, specifically, its clairvoyance. The Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan further increases clairvoyance, the ability to see and memorize chakra strains/ratios and movements, and why Sasuke was able to

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the chakra flow of Naruto and adjust his ratio of chakra for a combinative attack. The Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan further increases insightfulness, the ability to see the Inner Coils.​

Using misinterpreted info is a fallacy.


Saying that EMS has better sight doesn't prove anything. All we can do is assume that it can improve it to a point where he can copy KKG and that Kakashi's MS and under cannot. Unless you're trying to make a theory or fanfic, you aren't making any progress.

 

[solorflare99]

What do you not understand? Yin release is not nature transformation nor Yang. They are elements. You need to combine them to get the nature transformation.

Also it's because they are Kekkei Genkai and they have been used you just haven't seen it. Chakra rods are a good example, used by Nagato but because he had Rinnegan. Same with Madara.

Yin element and Yang element can be used to create a jutsu, but it won't be nature transformation. However, when you combine them you get nature transformation. But, you can't do it without the KKG.

Also I want to take back what I said, Yin-Yang is not even an element, it's just a KKG and nature transformation.

Nature transformation =/= element. Wood, Lava and Dust are all nature transformations yet none are an actual element as Yamato stated. The 6 nature transformations do not represent all elements. There are actually more than that.

I get that, how about you stay on topic

"all 6 types of chakra nature manipulation"

It didn't say

"all six nature transformations"

What is the 6th?

Answer the question so we can get on the same page.

 

[Waltz]

@SolorFlare99

Every Shinobi possesses two energies within their body: Yoton energy and Inton energy. Yoton is the energy which governs vitality and may be used to give life to a form and Inton is the spiritual energy which governs imagination and may be used to create a form out of nothingness. Yang release are techniques functioned on Yoton energy (Mokuton being an example) and similarly, Yin release are techniques functioned on Inton energy (Genjutsu being an example). Yin-Yang release comprises of both Yin-Release and Yang release in which a user can create any form out of nothingness and breathe life into that form: Banbutsu Sozo being an example.

I think you're confused between a Sharingan user being able to copy a Kekkei Genkai and producing a Kekkei Genkai that has been copied. The former being Varrah's initial point in this thread. Think of a Kekkei Genki as a bowl of soup with different ingredients. Simply "Seeing" the bowl of soup and having the ingredients does not mean you can correctly produce that bowl of soup. The Rin'negan automatically provides you on how to correctly produce that bowl of soup; or in a more correct wording: The ability to learn and replicate any jutsu. The bloodline limit being those who are born with the ability to create that bowl of soup. ​

 

[Zexion~]

So are people trying to say Sasuke can use Jinton? If he saw it........ Honestly this is getting ridiculous.

 

[solorflare99]

The Rin'negan automatically provides you on how to correctly produce that bowl of soup; or in a more correct wording: The ability to ​

Every thing is good except for this.

You are so close to being right.

All you have to do is provide WHY a rinnegan user can do what Kakashi(the man with sharingan and all 5 nature release) can not.

 

[Rιver]

I get that, how about you stay on topic

"all 6 types of chakra nature manipulation"

It didn't say

"all six nature transformations"

What is the 6th?

Answer the question so we can get on the same page.

Chakra nature manipulation = nature transformation.