Hiashi vs Muu

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Dude, Obito saw his form, not his chakra.

Your basing off your reasoning on this premise "Sharingan eye has shown on multiple occasions to see through objects"

This isn't supported that Sharingan can, if chakra does not exist around the area. Manga makes that clear on how Sharingan is able to do your reasoning[ ]



Please show me where it was ever impled Obito saw his chakra.

I did above. Its manga fact that Sharingan can only see through things only if chakra is presented.

As soon as Taiseki was defeated this is what Obito had to say[ ]


Fail logic. The water particles would need to be maintained or they would not stay as they were previously. Not to mention this is all irrelevant because the only thing I ever suggested was him seeing his form. That's the only thing he needs, although I could argue for seeing the chakra itself.

@Bold, nope since DB outright states he wears it.

@Underline, which isn't supported here.

@Last sentence, nope because manga states he hides it.
 

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restrict flight & hiashi wins

otherwise,

silent kill < full body blow < cube trap jin'ton < kaiten < laser beam jin'ton
 
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Your basing off your reasoning on this premise "Sharingan eye has shown on multiple occasions to see through objects"

This isn't supported that Sharingan can, if chakra does not exist around the area. Manga makes that clear on how Sharingan is able to do your reasoning[ ]

Baseless claim is baseless. But because I'm bored debating this shit with you, and I know you can be Zex level stubborn, I'll provide undeniable proof. , etc which don't have chakra on them. So that's a point proving his eye doesn't only see chakra through objects. Byakugan has done the same [ ] and can do even more then that. Byakugan saw the bone structure of a person [ ] from afar. This alone shits on your whole argument since light is irrelevant to Dojutsu regardless of chakra presence.

I did above. Its manga fact that Sharingan can only see through things only if chakra is presented.

As soon as Taiseki was defeated this is what Obito had to say[ ]

Wrong interpretation for reasons shown.


@Bold, nope since DB outright states he wears it.

@Underline, which isn't supported here.

@Last sentence, nope because manga states he hides it.

Ok. Still shat on your argument doe.
 

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We literally got Databook translation and people are still denying it.
 

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Baseless claim is baseless. But because I'm bored debating this shit with you, and I know you can be Zex level stubborn, I'll provide undeniable proof. , etc which don't have chakra on them. So that's a point proving his eye doesn't only see chakra through objects. Byakugan has done the same [ ] and can do even more then that. Byakugan saw the bone structure of a person [ ] from afar. This alone shits on your whole argument since light is irrelevant to Dojutsu regardless of chakra presence.

Did you just called that manga page baseless? Then try to pass the stubbornness baton to me? No not how this works.

All of your points shows exactly why your misinform, due to one thing: Missing CONTEXT!

Sharingan has shown to see veins

Which once again proves my point, that very scan shows that there's chakra (nano bombs) interfering with Sasuke's. Sasuke can see it. Same reason Kakashi can almost count the attack frequency of FRS on Kakuzu[ ]. Same as Deidara's bombs from afar just looks like a cloud of chakra. Inside, personally close he has a better view of its chakra signature. No matter how you see it only when chakra is present can this happen. Deidara ask the same question you attempting to rebuttal and Me and Sasuke are giving you the answer as to why this is possible and only possible[ ].

Dont even bother brining up Sharingan anymore or even a debate on why Sharingan can see Muu, when hiding his chakra. Now for relevant point of topic, Byakugan. After this claim below:

veins don't have chakra on them

You got to be kidding. [ ]

Byakugan saw the bone structure of a person [ ] from afar.

Good job your relearning what the Byakugan can see. What we need to know is why Kakashi states Byakugan has better insight then Sharingan.

Sharingan can see chakra, thats a fact.

Byakugan has a wider vision of seeing chakra, fact. Just like the post of Lee explaining ( ). chakra is heavily interwoven together with organs and with Byakugan eye, only they are capable of such vision to see them, only because chakra exist.


Now what happens when thats hidden too? Simple chakra is hidden, organs are hidden to Byakugan, which is their method of seeing the insides in the first place. CHAKRA.

So I suggest you stop taking things out of context to make it sound like your right.

We literally got Databook translation and people are still denying it.

We literally have Manga that been explaining how chakra system is/works and how Dojutsu are able to perceive them. Yet still be ignorant about it.

DB only explains Muu body being phyically unseen. Manga explains Muu can hide his chakra along with it. Thats why he is known as Null Man.

Get your facts straight.
 

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SMH. You deleted your post.

It got infracted and deleted.

Edit: Here it is with all the insults omitted, not gonna quote all the shit you said since it'd take quite some time and you know what you said;

He would only see the chakra based on that. Yet he sees the veins around them which don't in fact contain chakra. So until you can disprove him being able to see veins there is literally nothing to argue here. There being a chakra amount there does not change the fact that he saw the veins. Period.



My god. Please highlight the part where it says veins have chakra in them. It ONLY says chakra coils are LIKE veins. They carry chakra like veins carry blood. It proceeds to say that coils are wrapped around the internal organs like the heart, etc. Please point out where it suggests these coils are around the veins, I'll wait... and wait. He didn't see the chakra coils inside his own body, he saw veins and only veins. He does not have the capacity to see the inner coils, only the Byakugan can do that. And unless you are claiming there are internal coils within the veins he has, there's nothing to argue here.


Beating around the bush lmfao. I said he saw his bones. There's literally no counter argument to that.


Bones would be hidden too? Based on what? This guy lmfao. Hinata saw clouds through a mountain 10km's away[ ]. And she wasn't even seeing the Amateratsu as chakra, but as fire. Neji saw through a guy to see his piece of paper [ ]. Your arguments are all baseless.


Not ignorant about it, if anything I have shown you why Dojutsu sees him with ease and ignores light while you repeatedly stay in denial. Hiding chakra is irrelevant to the fact that Dojutsu can see normal, non-chakra related things without light.
 
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He would only see the chakra based on that. Yet he sees the veins around them which don't in fact contain chakra. So until you can disprove him being able to see veins there is literally nothing to argue here. There being a chakra amount there does not change the fact that he saw the veins. Period.

You didn't counter anything, just removing its context on why you arguments seems sufficient. Being able to see veins is as irrelevant as being able to see underground. Sharingan exposes chakra, fact. When the Sharingan exposes chakra anything chakra unrelated becomes transparent around them. I already showed you that even distance matter between how Sharingan view chakra signature matters too.

Sasuke saw C4 from a far and couldn't detect what it was. It just looks like a cloud of chakra. Up close and personal, he was able to get further detail of the chakra signature C4 gives out.

There's literally no reason for Deidara to question why Sasuke was able to detect where his bombs were.

My god. Please highlight the part where it says veins have chakra in them. It ONLY says chakra coils are LIKE veins. They carry chakra like veins carry blood. It proceeds to say that coils are wrapped around the internal organs like the heart, etc. Please point out where it suggests these coils are around the veins, I'll wait... and wait. He didn't see the chakra coils inside his own body, he saw veins and only veins. He does not have the capacity to see the inner coils, only the Byakugan can do that. And unless you are claiming there are internal coils within the veins he has, there's nothing to argue here.

I should of took this premise with a different approach. As its getting my points mixed up by you w/ these two different Dojutsu.

Veins are part of internal organs... The scans I post states its interwoven with them. The veins themselves dont have chakra but they have chakra paths interwoven with them. But I wasnt trying to point out why Sharingan can see them, but Byakugan.


Beating around the bush lmfao. I said he saw his bones. There's literally no counter argument to that.

"inner coils surround all the chakra producing organs". Bone = Organ. Lol...


Bones would be hidden too? Based on what? This guy lmfao. Hinata saw clouds through a mountain 10km's away[ ]. And she wasn't even seeing the Amateratsu as chakra, but as fire. Neji saw through a guy to see his piece of paper [ ]. Your arguments are all baseless.

Base on the fact that Bone structure has chakra pathways too?

That means nothing what Hinata did. She has a 360 vision and x amount of field of range. What she can see becomes transparent around her field of vision. @Bold .

Neji just shows my point on how exactly they will view Muu, along with no outline of a human figure Lol.

If chakra is Hidden then they simply can't view the body.[ > ]. Simple
 
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That means nothing what Hinata did. She has a 360 vision and x amount of field of range. What she can see becomes transparent around her field of vision. @Bold .

Neji just shows my point on how exactly they will view Muu, along with no outline of a human figure Lol.

If chakra is Hidden then they simply can't view the body.[ > ]. Simple

Everything is pretty irrelevant bar the last part in bold since that's what dictates the argument.

You say it means nothing, but I say it means everything. How do we see? By light reflecting. How did Hinata see the clouds behind the mountains? By ignoring the light. It's THAT simple. Transparent because she IGNORES light smfh. And yes, she sees powerful Amateratsu chakra. But she also sees clouds which are irrelevant to chakra. She sees everything there, not only chakra based sources. So that alone destroys your whole argument. She wouldn't see the clouds if they had no chakra yet she sees them all clearly. You are grasping at straws if you still try to deny this point.

Lol at that scan. Don't see what it proves at all. She saw the chakra behind another chakra. What's your point?
 

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Everything is pretty irrelevant bar the last part in bold since that's what dictates the argument.

You say it means nothing, but I say it means everything. How do we see? By light reflecting. How did Hinata see the clouds behind the mountains? By ignoring the light. It's THAT simple. Transparent because she IGNORES light smfh. And yes, she sees powerful Amateratsu chakra. But she also sees clouds which are irrelevant to chakra. She sees everything there, not only chakra based sources. So that alone destroys your whole argument. She wouldn't see the clouds if they had no chakra yet she sees them all clearly. You are grasping at straws if you still try to deny this point.

I said it means nothing because both signatures are being hidden from Mu via chakra and appearance. Not just appearance. You keep pointing out why his physical body is going to detected, when Mu uses a combination of hiding both appearance and chakra detection.

Lol at that scan. Don't see what it proves at all. She saw the chakra behind another chakra. What's your point?

Did you look at link 2? [ ]
 

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EjBlack also thinks Hiruzen has Sharingan.
 

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I said it means nothing because both signatures are being hidden from Mu via chakra and appearance. Not just appearance. You keep pointing out why his physical body is going to detected, when Mu uses a combination of hiding both appearance and chakra detection.

Dude, I did not ever say he needs to see Mu's chakra. I said he sees Mu's own BODY. PHYSICAL body. Hide every single chakra signature in the world, as long as your own body is visible to the Dojutsu then it's irrelevant. He hides his chakra and his body. Now LOOK. Hiashi does not see his CHAKRA. Hiashi can see his BODY. The body is hidden by deflecting light AROUND him. If that deflection is not present then the body is VISIBLE. Since light is irrelevant as I already showed you with Hinata seeing through a mountain and looking at clouds, the deflection of light around him is IRRELEVANT. So his body is VISIBLE. Chakra? I couldn't care less. His body? VISIBLE. Chakra does not need to be there for the Byakugan to see anything, as I showed you in the Hinata scan. Jesus.

Did you look at link 2? [ ]

Elaborate, I don't see any implications going against my main argument.
 

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Dude, I did not ever say he needs to see Mu's chakra. I said he sees Mu's own BODY. PHYSICAL body. Hide every single chakra signature in the world, as long as your own body is visible to the Dojutsu then it's irrelevant. He hides his chakra and his body. Now LOOK. Hiashi does not see his CHAKRA. Hiashi can see his BODY. The body is hidden by deflecting light AROUND him. If that deflection is not present then the body is VISIBLE. Since light is irrelevant as I already showed you with Hinata seeing through a mountain and looking at clouds, the deflection of light around him is IRRELEVANT. So his body is VISIBLE. Chakra? I couldn't care less. His body? VISIBLE. Chakra does not need to be there for the Byakugan to see anything, as I showed you in the Hinata scan. Jesus.


I concede.
 
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