Sasuke's Ninjutsu Potential

[solorflare99]

Again, Madara

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and later using Hashirama's

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Naruto invalidates these propositions. ​

You proved that the requirements can be copied not used :/

 

[Rιver]

You proved that the requirements can be copied not used :/

What is this guy saying?

 

[solorflare99]

What is this guy saying?

You proved that the requirements can be copied not used :/

Was that not loud enough.

I could explain, but how about you challenge your self and figure it out.

 

[Rιver]

You proved that the requirements can be copied not used :/

Was that not loud enough.

I could explain, but how about you challenge your self and figure it out.

Makes no sense dude.

 

[Gagster]

1. So him having Raikiri=Him having Rasnegan? Lmfao. Read my thread. First scan Kakashi states he copied it because it was only A-level smfh. [

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2. Clearly did.

3. He used it once after absorbing the Juubi, Obito never used it and had the Juubi. It's not really an argument to say "he would've" because I can make a million canonical "would've" scenario's which don't actually mean anything.

Your image doesn't work, you also have no knowledge of the manga do you.

Yes, him having Raikiri = him having Rasengan.

Kakshi stated he created the Chidori because he couldn't add an element to the Rasengan.

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This all happens BEFORE he got the Sharingan.

And Nagato never used any KKG with the rinnegan, even after he master it.

I don't know what fanfiction you read but Kakashi NEVER copied the Rasengan with sharingan, nor has ANYONE EVER copied a jutsu with no hand-signs with the Sharingan.

 

[solorflare99]

Makes no sense dude.

sory you don't understand.

 

[Rιver]

sory you don't understand.

Are you like... drunk?

 

[solorflare99]

Are you like... drunk?

Nah, im just in a dongivafug aditude

 

[Waltz]

Mokuton helped not the Rinnegan,​

Varrah was wrong he was only able to do so via Mokuton already in his cells not the Rinnegan he missed me with that logic.​

Having Hashirama's cells does not mean you can produce his Jutsu, Danzo being a prime example. When Madara initially implanted Hashi's genes he stated that nothing happened at first but only after the Rin'negan surfaced he was then able to cultivate Mokuton around the Mazou and gained the potential to produce Mokuton Jutsu, such as Flower-Tree-World which he would have copied from Hashirama . [

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[Varrah]

Alright, if you guys think I'm wrong, then I'm wrong.


Just want you guys to entertain the following without accepting it unless you think it's valid.

Sharingan 写輪眼
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This is konoha's finest clan, Uchiha Clan's bloodline limit. Within the clan, there is only a portion of the members, possess this special ability. The tomoe seal within the pupil is the special markings of the Sharingan. Sharingan is an observation eye, which is capable of exposing everything, an illusion eye capable of casting illusions and also an eye of jutsu copying capabilities. Just like in the battle between Kakashi and Zabuza, where it seems like it can predict the future, and using different combat methods, allowing the user to have unlimited defensive and offensive strategies.

Sharingan's observation eye, is one of the finest in doujutsu. Within split seconds, this observation eye is capable of exposing to the user all systems of Ninjutsu, Taijutsu and Genjutsu, also the movement and attacking path of the opponent, or the opponent's defences against fatal moves, evading movements from the user's attack, etc... These will enhance the overall combat abilities of the user in different situations. This petrifying ability is worthy of the title, "Heaven's Eye".

Plus the ability of copying, Sharingan, can wield its true capabilities... that is to copy and possess jutsus seen only once by the user. Regardless of whether its chakra molding or seals forming, all the under lying physics of the jutsu will be copied and remembered by the user in an instant. In order to weild the jutsu, the user must have sufficient chakra and also an able body that can withstand the demands of the jutsu. However, an Uchiha will not allow himself to be restricted by these conditions. This is because they will utilised their accumulated combat experience, and also bring out their potential when the need arises. The more critical the situation is, the more they are able to harness their potential to the maximum.

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I should note however that Kekkei Genkai could be divided in classes: bodily predispositions such as Sakon's and Ukon's unnamed Kekkei Genkai and the Hyūga's Byakugan and chakra predispositions such as Hashirama's Mokuton or Mei's Lava and Boil Releases.

I don't think the Sharingan can copy bodily predispositions Kekkei Genkai, but I do think the Sharingan can copy chakra predispositions as Madara did so against Hashirama by copying the Mokuryū no Jutsu.​

 

[TRE MERCER]

Having Hashirama's cells does not mean you can produce his Jutsu, Danzo being a prime example. When Madara initially implanted Hashi's genes he stated that nothing happened at first but only after the Rin'negan surfaced he was then able to cultivate Mokuton around the Mazou and produce Mokuton Jutsu, such as Flower-Tree-World which he copied from Hashirama . ​

Danzo didn't have nearly enough of Hashirama's cells it's just like the same case as Obito. Madara lived for a very long time and had just the right amount of DNA to do so thus him being able to use this ability. Can i see the scan where Madara says the bold that would change the argument.​

Alright, if you guys think I'm wrong, then I'm wrong.


Just want you guys to entertain the following without accepting it unless you think it's valid.

Please don't use the DB logic as your arguments back bone when it's hardly reliable.​

 

[Rιver]

Only thing I disagreed with was that Rinnegan in your opinion grants KKG (correct me if I misunderstood). KKG can't be copied you need to attain it in your body. However, like you said if Madara has Mokuton KKG then he can copy Mokuton jutsu from Hashirama.

 

[Waltz]

Danzo didn't have nearly enough of Hashirama's cells it's just like the same case as Obito. Madara lived for a very long time and had just the right amount of DNA to do so thus him being able to use this ability. Can i see the scan where Madara says the bold that would change the argument.​

The bold is an assumption and for the record if what you just assumed was even remotely true, Obito, who's body is almost 100% composed of Mokuton would have been able to produce Hashirama's jutsu. ​

 

[TRE MERCER]

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The following scans doesn't prove your point or his.

Scan 1- When he said nothing happened he was talking about the Rinnegan not Hashirama's Mokuton or Mokuton abilities in general.

Scan 2- Rinnegan was used to bring the Gedo Mazo out and with the Gedo Mazo shell he used it to Catalystt (A substance that increases the rate of chemical reaction) thus he used it to produce more of Hashirama cells.

These scans don't prove your point here at all.​

The bold is an assumption and for the record if what you just assumed was even remotely true, Obito, who's body is almost 100% composed of Mokuton would have been able to produce Hashirama's jutsu. ​

This disproves your point not mine. You claim is that Sharingan can copy the ability and with Rinnegan you can utilize the ability if this logic was in-fact true Obito would be able to use Mokuton on Madara's calibur as well.​

 

[Waltz]

Madara copied Hashirama's Jutsu but never had the potential to actually execute them until he gained the Rin'negan. Even states here that he's curious to do so:

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The Mokuton Madara implanted after his confrontation with Hashirama was un-reactive as he stated nothing occurred at first but the mixture eventually brought forth the Rin'ngan. ​

 

[Varrah]

Only thing I disagreed with was that Rinnegan in your opinion grants KKG (correct me if I misunderstood). KKG can't be copied you need to attain it in your body. However, like you said if Madara has Mokuton KKG then he can copy Mokuton jutsu from Hashirama.

Yeah this is what I think.​

Please don't use the DB logic as your arguments back bone when it's hardly reliable.

Not being used as the spine Tre; only brought it up because it was published after the fight with Haku that Luckyman is using as a counter claim for Madara not copying Hashirama's jutsu and the notion that the

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of Madara's eyes and Hashirama's seal for Mokuryū no Jutsu only alludes to Madara using Susanoo. ​

 

[TRE MERCER]

Madara copied Hashirama's Jutsu but never had the potential to actually execute them until he gained the Rin'negan. Even states here that he's curious to do so:

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The Mokuton Madara implanted after his confrontation with Hashirama was un-reactive as he stated nothing occurred at first but the mixture eventually brought forth the Rin'ngan. ​

Were talking about 2 different things. I was saying that even if he did copy Mokuton with Sharingan he would need Mokuton to use it. Varrah was saying he was able to use it via Rinnegan not Mokuton. Your talking about bringing fourth the Rinnegan.​

 

[Waltz]

The following scans doesn't prove your point or his.

Scan 1- When he said nothing happened he was talking about the Rinnegan not Hashirama's Mokuton or Mokuton abilities in general.

Scan 2- Rinnegan was used to bring the Gedo Mazo out and with the Gedo Mazo shell he used it to Catalystt (A substance that increases the rate of chemical reaction) thus he used it to produce more of Hashirama cells.

These scans don't prove your point here at all.​

@ 1: Nothing...means nothing. Orochimaru was not around at the time to activate the Mokuton via the Curse seal (As Jugo provided on Sasuke; Mokuton spores cultivate and come to life when injected with Natural energy/The curse seal).

@2: The Mazou sits atop a Mokuton flower and gathers energy while not in use. The harnessed energy [Shizen Enerugi/Natural energy] may be used through mokuton to amplify things ranging from

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However none of this could be done until after Madara awakened the Rin'negan.
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[solorflare99]

I should note however that Kekkei Genkai could be divided in classes: bodily predispositions such as Sakon's and Ukon's unnamed Kekkei Genkai and the Hyūga's Byakugan and chakra predispositions such as Hashirama's Mokuton or Mei's Lava and Boil Releases.

I don't think the Sharingan can copy bodily predispositions Kekkei Genkai, but I do think the Sharingan can copy chakra predispositions as Madara did so against Hashirama by copying the Mokuryū no Jutsu.​

Going by this logic, Mokuton can be taught and not require it being implanted in bodies. Orochimaru killed a bunch of babies for nothing :/

Clearly you need the right amount of DNA to make KKG as it has never been produced otherwise besides being a Jinchuriki.

 

[TRE MERCER]

@ 1: Nothing...means nothing. Orochimaru was not around at the time to activate the Mokuton via the Curse seal (As Jugo provided on Sasuke; Mokuton spores cultivate and come to life when injected with Natural energy/The curse seal).

@2: The Mazou sits atop a Mokuton flower and gathers energy while not in use. The harnessed energy [Shizen Enerugi/Natural energy] may be used through mokuton to amplify things ranging from

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However none of this could be done until after Madara awakened the Rin'negan.
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BOLD Because he needed the Rinnegan to call upon the Gedo Mazo not to use Hashirama's mokuton abilities.​

I get that...what I'm tryin to say is Madara was only able to produce Mokuton after awakening the Rin'negan but he needed Hashriama''s cells in order to Awaken the Rin'negan. He didn't need Hashirama's cells to use Mokuton because the Rin'negan's ability to produce any jutsu suffices; he would only need to know the Jutsu. ​

No he only needed the Rinnegan to summon the Gedo Mazo not to use Mokuton since Madara made the tree with Mokuton himself.​