Hiashi vs Muu

[Beans2]

Muu has basic intel on Hyugas' abilities and Hiashi knows about invisibility and Jinton.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Gentle fist > Chakra (Jinton)

Byakugan > Ninjutsu (Invisbility)

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Ninjutsu - Dustless Bewildering Cover
B rank, no range, supplementary
Users: Mu

Taking on the appearance of "nothingness", becoming the sky
A technique method of invisibility like the moon on a rainy night!! [TN: Yeah... what?]

Water changes the appearance of everything, be it gaseous or solid, sometimes it distracts light, sometimes it bends it like a prism, imitating a phantom image. Mu's forte is the manipulation of water, namely it means he subdues the light. By wearing water droplets, the user of the "Dustless Bewildering Cover" technique evades light, erasing his appearance. Like water, he becomes an existence that doesn't exist....

➡⬇ By bending the surrounding light with water, the user can pretend not to be there. The mechanics are similar to optical camouflage.

Hiashi never loses sight of him, rotates to destroy jinton, and sticks his 64 palm up the mummies anus.

 

[Lariatoo]

A case could be theorically be made by Hiashi, but at first glance Muu looks waay above his league. Im not really knowladgeable about these both characters so I'll keep in low for now...

 

[Apêx1]

Hiashi perceives his invisibility and proceeds to one shot with Juubi sized air palm.

 

[New Dawn]

Hiashi gets blasted into a dust pulp.

 

[Flamboyant1]

Hiashi hands down ...

 

[KingHashirama]

Muu low-mid diff. Low-diff most likely tho.

 

[Haizaki]

Gentle fist > Chakra (Jinton)

Byakugan > Ninjutsu (Invisbility)



Hiashi never loses sight of him, rotates to destroy jinton, and sticks his 64 palm up the mummies anus.

Yupppp.

OT: Hiashi wins.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Gentle fist > Chakra (Jinton)

Byakugan > Ninjutsu (Invisbility)



Hiashi never loses sight of him, rotates to destroy jinton, and sticks his 64 palm up the mummies anus.

You do know the DB is describing the ability to hide his presence right? Manga also says he has the ability to hide his chakra too...

 

[Unorthodox]

Sasuke does not approve of fodder matchup so he solos anyways i got money on Muu

 

[Apêx1]

You do know the DB is describing the ability to hide his presence right? Manga also says he has the ability to hide his chakra too...

Hide it from sensors, not Dojutsu users. His invisibility works by deflecting light around him. We say when Obito was faced up against a person who used the same jutsu, Obito could actually perceive his main body. So light is not relevant to Dojutsu in certaon situations, and in this case, the Byakugan will surely see his main body too.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Hide it from sensors, not Dojutsu users. His invisibility works by deflecting light around him. We say when Obito was faced up against a person who used the same jutsu, Obito could actually perceive his main body. So light is not relevant to Dojutsu in certaon situations, and in this case, the Byakugan will surely see his main body too.

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Thats impossible to hide from sensor since he is using a jutsu that uses chakra via Dustless Bewildering Cover.

Its best to take the context that he has no form (because of Dustless Bewildering Cover) and no chakra (because he has the ability to hide it like Karin).

 

[Apêx1]

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Thats impossible to hide from sensor since he is using a jutsu that uses chakra via Dustless Bewildering Cover.

Its best to take the context that he has no form (because of Dustless Bewildering Cover) and no chakra (because he has the ability to hide it like Karin).

No. No form= no footsteps. No chakra=death. Db4 states he becomes invisible by using water particles to bend light around him. Guess what the person who fought against Obito used? A jutsu which makes you invisible by bending light around you. It's a fact that he's perceivable to Dojutsu.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

No. No form= no footsteps. No chakra=death. Db4 states he becomes invisible by using water particles to bend light around him. Guess what the person who fought against Obito used? A jutsu which makes you invisible by bending light around you. It's a fact that he's perceivable to Dojutsu.

@Bold Those are expressions to point out that can't be perceived visually and normal methods of senses.

It was never stated that Taiseki can hide his chakra.

 

[Apêx1]

@Bold Those are expressions to point out that can't be perceived visually and normal methods of senses.

It was never stated that Taiseki can hide his chakra.

Yes, so in the context Kabuto spoke he didn't intend to say they were inexistent, thus the Byakugan sees them.

He doesn't need to. Obito saw his form, not his chakra flow. That's all he needs to do to see him. Same applies to the Byakugan, he simply needs to see his form.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Yes, so in the context Kabuto spoke he didn't intend to say they were inexistent, thus the Byakugan sees them.

His intent was that the only way to detect him is by physical contact. He is portray as the invisible man for a reason.

He doesn't need to. Obito saw his form, not his chakra flow. That's all he needs to do to see him. Same applies to the Byakugan, he simply needs to see his form.

Um no if that was true then Kakashi would of had no problems seeing him. Obito, with Sharingan can see color chakra. Thus the technique DB2 states:

This is a ninja escape technique that allows the user to control how light is reflected around their body with chakra inflections...

Can be detected since chakra is present.

 

[Apêx1]

His intent was that the only way to detect him is by physical contact. He is portray as the invisible man for a reason.

No, he was that Kabuto had no form, nor did he have chakra. In this context you can dictate that he has both of those, but each is being hidden in one way or another. In no way, shape or form can you imply he meant the only way to detect him was through contact sensing.

Um no if that was true then Kakashi would of had no problems seeing him. Obito, with Sharingan can see color chakra. Thus the technique DB2 states:



Can be detected since chakra is present.

What the actual fūck? Do you understand that humans only perceive by light reflecting on something? So when light does not reflect on Mu, you cannot see him. It's quite simple to understand. There's no way a human eye can see him. But a Sharingan eye has shown on multiple occasions to see through objects, meaning light is not very relevant to it, since reflecting light or not, it can see said object. Same case against Taiseki. He was bending light around him, but since light's reflection is irrelevant to the sharingan, Obito could see Taiseki's form. This is literally the same case. Since light isn't relevant to the Byakugan, Hiashi sees his form. Obito did not detect the chakra inflections, he detects his actual form. And by your logic, since Mu is manipulating water particles, obviously through chakra, he'd somehow be visible, as he wouldn't be suppressing his chakra in the first place.

Using water to bend light, resulting in nothing being shown. Its an optic camoflage, similar to "Karakuri"

 

[New Dawn]

Itachi solos Muu. This confirms it. Amaterasu for the insta-kill. =D

 

[Brother Numpsay]

No, he was that Kabuto had no form, nor did he have chakra. In this context you can dictate that he has both of those, but each is being hidden in one way or another. In no way, shape or form can you imply he meant the only way to detect him was through contact sensing.

Ok@underline. Then ill stick to @Bold

But a Sharingan eye has shown on multiple occasions to see through objects, meaning light is not very relevant to it, since reflecting light or not, it can see said object.

Sharingan has only shown seeing through objects only because they're chakra hiding behind it.

Same case against Taiseki. He was bending light around him, but since light's reflection is irrelevant to the sharingan, Obito could see Taiseki's form. This is literally the same case.

Its not the same case. You have the Sharingan view as a misconception, first of all. Second, Taiseki ability has made it clear that his chakra is visible and can't hide it like Muu.

Obito did not detect the chakra inflections, he detects his actual form. And by your logic, since Mu is manipulating water particles, obviously through chakra, he'd somehow be visible, as he wouldn't be suppressing his chakra in the first place.

Using water to bend light, resulting in nothing being shown. Its an optic camoflage, similar to "Karakuri"

My logic is going by manga. Muu can lighten himself and use this jutsu too. That makes this jutsu as relevent of effect. Meaning cast the jutsu, and then hide the chakra. Otherwise its the burden of proof on you to prove that he needs to maintain the ability with chakra.

 

[Apêx1]

Ok@underline. Then ill stick to @Bold

Sharingan has only shown seeing through objects only because they're chakra hiding behind it.

Dude, Obito saw his form, not his chakra.

Its not the same case. You have the Sharingan view as a misconception, first of all. Second, Taiseki ability has made it clear that his chakra is visible and can't hide it like Muu.

Please show me where it was ever impled Obito saw his chakra.

My logic is going by manga. Muu can lighten himself and use this jutsu too. That makes this jutsu as relevent of effect. Meaning cast the jutsu, and then hide the chakra. Otherwise its the burden of proof on you to prove that he needs to maintain the ability with chakra.

Fail logic. The water particles would need to be maintained or they would not stay as they were previously. Not to mention this is all irrelevant because the only thing I ever suggested was him seeing his form. That's the only thing he needs, although I could argue for seeing the chakra itself.