Third Raikage vs Third Hokage

[Exaar]

If hiruzen could use the hidden techniques of each clan properly he would have used them.

It's both Manga and Databook fact he can.

What's the differene between Old Hiruzen and Prime Hiruzen? Stamina and old age issues. In the war arc we saw him as an Edo, without all those problems,

Stamina
Lower overall chakra pool (which lower his ability to use Ninjutsu/High level ninjutsu and jutsu combinations)
Lower strength (affects his Taijutsu and ability to use Enma in pole form)
Lower Speed (affects Taijutsu)

These all carried on to hiruzen Edo form apart from the Stamina problem.

Edo Hiruzen=Prime Hiruzen

No.

 

[Mugen Onsa]

Hiruzen. I'm sure the Enma staff can pierce the Raikage...

 

[Lariatoo]

Meh. Im prolly gonna be flamed by this, but I still put Hiruzen in his prime above the Third Raikage, the Third Kazekage and Oonoki... Portrayal is an inportant thing to consider in any storytelling medium.

 

[solorflare99]

Its simple really.

Hype = Hiruzen wins
Feats = A wins.

 

[Gold Lightning]

The fact that Hiruzen doesn't use the hidden techniques suggests to me that they just aren't worth using and all his other techs are better.

 

[KingHashirama]

Don't see 3rd Raikage doing shit to enma .


And we are talking Hiruzen who existed during the 3rd Raikage's time , right? The Shinobi no kami guy, who had all combat forms mastered, and along with many genjutsus?

The fact that Hiruzen doesn't use the hidden techniques suggests to me that they just aren't worth using and all his other techs are better.

We have only seen him fight with other people, or fight in a really confined place where he had no other choice but to finish things quick. Never seen him in an actual fight.

 

[Gold Lightning]

:lol Horrible excuse. If he has jutsu that would have helped him out better than his preferred techniques, then he would have used them. Obviously that's not the case.

He had plenty opportunity against Orochimaru. Confined space? Really... Because I saw the likes of Jukai Koutan, Suryudan and other big techniques being used in that confined space. Don't even try to explain to me how that hindered him, I don't want to hear it.

 

[KingHashirama]

:lol Horrible excuse. If he has jutsu that would have helped him out better than his preferred techniques, then he would have used them. Obviously that's not the case.

He had plenty opportunity against Orochimaru. Confined space? Really... Because I saw the likes of Jukai Koutan, Suryudan and other big techniques being used in that confined space. Don't even try to explain to me how that hindered him, I don't want to hear it.

Did you look at the size of battlefield at all?? lol

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This is what Hiruzen shows in war arc:

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you were saying something he would've showed it if he had them.

 

[EZQ]

:lol Horrible excuse. If he has jutsu that would have helped him out better than his preferred techniques, then he would have used them. Obviously that's not the case.

He had plenty opportunity against Orochimaru. Confined space? Really... Because I saw the likes of Jukai Koutan, Suryudan and other big techniques being used in that confined space. Don't even try to explain to me how that hindered him, I don't want to hear it.

Why do you bother with this moron? Just by reading his responses he makes me puke. Don't waste your time.

 

[EZQ]

Don't see 3rd Raikage doing shit to enma .


And we are talking Hiruzen who existed during the 3rd Raikage's time , right? The Shinobi no kami guy, who had all combat forms mastered, and along with many genjutsus?



We have only seen him fight with other people, or fight in a really confined place where he had no other choice but to finish things quick. Never seen him in an actual fight.

Hidden clan techniques work perfectly in confined places (except for Akimichi's). Shadow manipulation, Yamanaka's techniques etc... he didn't use them because they're no worth using since probably he doesn't use them as well as the clan members.

 

[EZQ]

Don't see 3rd Raikage doing shit to enma .


And we are talking Hiruzen who existed during the 3rd Raikage's time , right? The Shinobi no kami guy, who had all combat forms mastered, and along with many genjutsus?



We have only seen him fight with other people, or fight in a really confined place where he had no other choice but to finish things quick. Never seen him in an actual fight.

Hidden clan techniques work perfectly in confined places (except for Akimichi's). Shadow manipulation, Yamanaka's techniques etc... he didn't use them because they're no worth using since probably he doesn't use them as well as the clan members.

 

[KingHashirama]

Hidden clan techniques work perfectly in confined places (except for Akimichi's). Shadow manipulation, Yamanaka's techniques etc... he didn't use them because they're no worth using since probably he doesn't use them as well as the clan members.

He didn't bother using any other technique like wind style and etc either. He simply was dealing with 3 ninja, not 1 ninja. And in a small space, meaning its pretty much a face to face battle.

He also stated he had to end it quick, hence he went straight to RDS after using enma.

 

[EZQ]

He didn't bother using any other technique like wind style and etc either. He simply was dealing with 3 ninja, not 1 ninja. And in a small space, meaning its pretty much a face to face battle.

He also stated he had to end it quick, hence he went straight to RDS after using enma.

Horrible excuse. Against Orochimaru, the shadow control technique would have been perfect to restrain the edos. Or, Yamanaka's mind control to make Orochimaru undo Edo tensei. The answer for this not happening is: Hiruzen can't use the hidden clan's techniques at a high level.

 

[EZQ]

He didn't bother using any other technique like wind style and etc either. He simply was dealing with 3 ninja, not 1 ninja. And in a small space, meaning its pretty much a face to face battle.

He also stated he had to end it quick, hence he went straight to RDS after using enma.

Horrible excuse. Against Orochimaru, the shadow control technique would have been perfect to restrain the edos. Or, Yamanaka's mind control to make Orochimaru undo Edo tensei. The answer for this not happening is: Hiruzen can't use the hidden clan's techniques at a high level.

 

[Exaar]

Hidden clan techniques work perfectly in confined places (except for Akimichi's). Shadow manipulation, Yamanaka's techniques etc... he didn't use them because they're no worth using since probably he doesn't use them as well as the clan members.

For a man who learn't all 5 elements and can use them simultaneously i doubt that hidden clan techniques are to difficult for him to use.

If he can use them as well or better than the likes of teenage shikamaru or Ino, He is fine.

 

[KingHashirama]

Horrible excuse. Against Orochimaru, the shadow control technique would have been perfect to restrain the edos. Or, Yamanaka's mind control to make Orochimaru undo Edo tensei. The answer for this not happening is: Hiruzen can't use the hidden clan's techniques at a high level.

Of course, that would've limited Hiruzen himself from moving as well. Shikamaru's shadow control technique is effective in team missions or when he in a situation where he can hurt the opponent by using it. In a 3 vs 1 , its not really that effective.

Yamanaka's technique .. he pervents Hiruzen from using the edo tensei for a minute or 2 at best.. and then things go back to normal with Orochimaru using edo tensei.. so yea.

 

[EZQ]

For a man who learn't all 5 elements and can use them simultaneously i doubt that hidden clan techniques are to difficult for him to use.

If he can use them as well or better than the likes of teenage shikamaru or Ino, He is fine.

The bold is irrelevant, they're different abilities. The hidden clan's techniques are a whole different fighting way, Hiruzen probably never developed them to a high level since they didn't go along with his fighting techniques. I've never seen one of the k11 use another technique that isn't the one of his clan.

If Hiruzen had learned how to fight with them at a high level his fighitng style would be different, and if he can perform them as good as teen ino and shika, they're fodder techniques against the 3rd raikage.

 

[EZQ]

Of course, that would've limited Hiruzen himself from moving as well. Shikamaru's shadow control technique is effective in team missions or when he in a situation where he can hurt the opponent by using it. In a 3 vs 1 , its not really that effective.

Yamanaka's technique .. he pervents Hiruzen from using the edo tensei for a minute or 2 at best.. and then things go back to normal with Orochimaru using edo tensei.. so yea.

Bold 1: Could've used it with clones.

Bold 2: He could've undone the edo tensei itself, so when the mind control ends he gets a time lapse where Oro doesn't have his edos to finish him.

Are you gonna reply again?

 

[KingHashirama]

Bold 1: Could've used it with clones.

Bold 2: He could've undone the edo tensei itself, so when the mind control ends he gets a time lapse where Oro doesn't have his edos to finish him.

Are you gonna reply again?

1.And do you know of its effectiveness with clones? no.. so why suggest "could've used it with clones".

2. How do you know he could've undone it himself? Hiruzen doesn't know the seals to undo edo tensei as far I know.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Hiruzen gets ruined.​