[Discussion] One Piece Fights: Difficulty Scale
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chopstickchakra
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I disagree, I honestly don't consider Pica v Zoro that high of a dif. Zoro showed more struggle against Ryuuma. The only difficult part of the Pica fight was locating him, the victory was super easy once he got to him. Ryuuma put up close to as long of a fight while actually challenging and pushing Zoro, Pica just hid to stall and delay his defeat. I usually don't consider time a factor in "diff." discussion unless the time shows a significant drain in stamina(which the Pica one did not, nor did the Sabo v Burgess length of time) or if it's an excessive amount of time(as we've seen in OP fights can last days so a 10 minute battle "Sabo v Burgess" I wouldn't call diff. nor a 30-40 minute battle for Zoro v Pica) that's just how I see it though, I know I'm in the minority on that aspect.
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I wanna say that Sabo vs Fujitora was a mid diff fight, simply because if the "No. 2" of the Rev army can't even push an Admiral to mid diff (even with his lack of skill with the Mera Mera) I'd just find that extremely dissapointing. Sucks that Oda had to off panel that shit :/
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And you hardly ever know what you are talking about. You shouldn't be commenting as you are one of the dumbest and most ignorant "debaters" I've ever seen and my sig shows a small example of that. Idiots like you should remain silent. Oh am I being rude? That's because your an idiot.
I highly doubt Sabo wasn't serious against ana dmiral and I aint judging fights based off "what ifs"
Sabo vs Fujitora- highly doubt Sabo can push Fujitora to any sort of high diff when he couldn't scratch Fujitora when he wasn't serious. Not only was Fujitora not serious, he was just stalling and Sabo got riddled in scratches and was breathing heavily. Sabo was clrealy on the losing end of a pretty one-sided fight so med diff is a bit to high to me as it wasn't really a stalemate.
Zoro vs Pica-Couldve finished earlier or not isn't the point. Zoro COULDNT finish Pica off quickly against his full DF abilities. Zoro was at the disadvantage, was the one being pressured and covered in scratches and was defending against an endless barrage of attacks for the longest time. He was having a very hard time pinning Pica down and began to breathe more heavily as the fight dragged on.
Sanji vs Jabra- good point.
Zoro vs Ryuuma- I seriously doubt Kaku and Ryuuma gave Zoro the same difficulty......
Aint increasing the difficulty of a fight just because of someone's title or position....
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That information is often to refered to as the manga.
It's not just about the damage you receive, but how much time and effort it takes to defeat the opponent. The fight was high diff because of the nature of Pica's abilities and the help Zoro had to receive.
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chopstickchakra
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I know we disagree on including fight time in a difficulty decision so I'm not gonna bother with that but let's say we include time in the dif level. Zoro vs Pica was how long? Under 1 hour? We've seen fights in OP that can last days, granted they're rare. The question becomes what is long relative to OP standards? Of course 1 hour fight is long and difficult irl, but is that really the case in OP?
I think we touched briefly on this with Sabo v Burgess, you said it was mid diff because Sabo couldn't KO him in the small time frame they fought in (roughly 15 minutes) I argue that situations like that and Zoro v Pica don't constitute "long" fights within the OP world. It felt like the Colosseum battles took longer than the executive battles. A long difficult fight would be something like Doffy v Luffy 1v1. Doffy would win but it would take longer than Zoro beating Pica, Zoro v Pica was just a long battle not a long difficult one. That's just my two cents on the matter.
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Difficulty and time consuming are two different things. One can lead to the other but they can be separate. Zoro vs pica ended with zoro receiving no damage and pica being one shot. Zoro was never at a disadvantage anymore than pica. Pica was forced to hide because of zoro superior skill, and zoro was forced to defend due to picas df. That sounds like a stalemate to me. Pica also involved other people multiple times which is the main reason this was mid diff other than pica hiding. Disregard those things and this would be low diff. I don't see time or the involvement of other people to be significant enough to raise this up two tiers, one tier each for each but not 3 tiers total.
We also know that zoro didn't even go all out, so in the grand scheme of things, to zoro this was probably still of a low diff.
We also know that zoro didn't even go all out, so in the grand scheme of things, to zoro this was probably still of a low diff.
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how am I making no sense? How can you say something is low diff for an individual when they didn't manage to land one blow on their enemy? Listen I'm not asking for much, most of this list is fine to judge the fights but Sabo vs Fujitora can't have a difficulty attached to it just yet.
Zoro vs Pica can't be in high difficulty territory either since Pica didn't manage to injure Zoro even once, their was no threat level for him, it was just a game of tag.
Also Crocodile vs Luffy can't be high diff when Crocodile almost killed Luffy three times, first time he was saved by Robin when Croc buried
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, this time it was plot that came to the rescue as water conveniently happened to drop exactly where Luffy
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. And the third time he was poisoned and unable to move infact he would be dead once again if not for Robin, you can even say Crocodile won even the third round had
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not been there. Just cause Croc had enemies around him when he was unconscious and Luffy had friends doesn't mean Luffy beat Crocodile, if anything Luffy was the one who would have died left without help and Crocodile would have regained consciousness and survived, and you call that a high diff fight? This fight was Luffy's most life threatening fight in the series to date.The fact that you had Zoro vs Pica rated so close to Luffy vs Croc is nothing short of ridiculous.
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It depends on the fighters. Akainu vs Aokiji was extreme diff for ten days, while Luffy vs Lucci was extreme diff for what was probably an hour or two. I don't see Sabo and Burgess at Admiral level, do idc how long Admirals have fought for. It'd also be foolish to think Oda is actually going to on-panel fights that last several days.
I'd put luffy vs crocodile extreme diff (for luffy). He more or less died at least twice by his hand, if you keep almost dying you're probably having an (extremely) difficult time of things!
Whitebeard vs Akainu was extreme diff (for both), akainu took half his head off but Whitebeard still forced him to retreat with his brute power.
Whitebeard vs Akainu was extreme diff (for both), akainu took half his head off but Whitebeard still forced him to retreat with his brute power.
chopstickchakra
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I never said he would, that's just a hyperbole to help denounce the counter argument to your argument. My point is, is 15-40 minutes really a long enough duration in these two scenarios to call them difficult or to increase their difficulty rate? If you feel that it is, then so be it, I don't agree with you but what are you gonna do. Quick question though, do you consider Zoro v Ryuuma more difficult for Zoro than Zoro v Pica? I would, I'm curious if you do, my reasoning is based on all the other events happening around the fights they seemed to take about = time however Ryuuma was able to defend against and even push Zoro during that fight. Shouldn't that make Zoro v Ryuuma a higher dif level than Zoro v Pica, it was a harder fight to win and took nearly the same amount of time?
Actually Sabo was fighting because he thought that Fuji was after his brother, at that time Sabo had no idea what Fuji's motives are and he fought to protect his brother in this case so there was completely no reason for him to hold back while Fujitora wanted to get blocked by Sabo and by the end of the war we got the full glimpse as to why Fuji did all his things during DR, even by Sabos word's, Fierce tiger was like the only move that showed a little seriousness from the admiral, we easily can come to the conclusion that the guy was usually on defence and yet Sabo was still pretty tired and riddled with scratches, no matter how u want to see this fight its clear as day that Fuji was portrayed in a different level from Sabo, I thought his title implied that already though, but oh well.
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Like I said, it depends on the level of characters. 15-40 minutes can be mid diff for two people regardless of if there are people who can fight for days. What happened with Akainu and Kuzan doesn't have anything to do with Zoro.
That's like saying it wasn't really that hard for Zoro to cut steel because Mihawk could do it by flexing his pinky.
no doubt Fujitora was portrayed to be stronger than Sabo, that's not what I'm talking about. The issue is you can't call it low-mid difficulty with no injuries to both people. There shouldn't even be a difficulty level as neither of them gained a clear upper hand over the other, it was basically a stalemate with Sabo having more trouble keeping up.
Fair enough though as I implied in my post above that this kind of difficulty is given due to how serious was each character or how determined they were and infact one was fighting to protect his brother the other was just fooling around and stalling for time, though If I would rate this fight I think that mid diff is the reasonable diff to this fight, of course as of now until more is shown.